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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 9, 2011 14:38:39 GMT -5
Remember least we forget. Hey everybody forget about the Holocaust. To you it never happened. Suggest stop suggesting things you haven't any idea about.. I always thought Marines, {and am thinking from your NIC , you were a member of that fine organization, if wrong on that, assuming something I am wrong about, as you are on so many of your posts, forgive me} are a lot smarter . You have been making accusations, suggesting and insunuating things about others here , instead of discussing the topics, it is becoming old. Your on a web site, no face to face, no knowledge of personals besides gender from some, yet all you post is suggstions of where posters are coming from and their thoughts and little posting on topic...as said before , getting old and personal. We don't do personal here, another violation of C of C and more important, common courtesy. Seems your on a roll on that .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 14:57:05 GMT -5
jarhead-- I appreciate what you are saying. Yes, lots of blood shed over this issue. Thank you for your service, sir.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Feb 9, 2011 15:12:42 GMT -5
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Post by jarhead1976 on Feb 11, 2011 14:34:30 GMT -5
WOW! What happen to all the progressive libs wanting jihad right here in the USA?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 15:00:30 GMT -5
WOW! What happen to all the progressive libs wanting jihad right here in the USA?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 15:21:06 GMT -5
I don't think they WANT it, jarhead. I think many just refuse to believe it could happen-- even though it HAS happened, and is an act in progress. Truth be told, we have escaped jihadist acts of war on US soil several times in the last few years by only minutes or hours, and I read somewhere there have been 200+ terrorist acts all over the world in the last couple of years. Still people prefer to think it is just random crazies like abortion doc killers than a highly trained, efficient, well funded, and patient organized terrorist group. It really IS too scary to even think about, but, IMO, denial will get us killed. Thank God for the paranoid CITIZENS that stopped several attempts by keeping their minds and eyes open to danger.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 15:42:05 GMT -5
Lots of concern over the fear of a take over of Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood, and while it could happen , to compare it with the take over by the fundamentalist in Iran , there are some major differences. First is that there are two different sects of Islam involved here..Shia in Iran, the brother hood in Egypt is Sunni and the two do not see eye to eye. The Sunni interpret the Koran differently,believe in "itjihad", change to the times, it's, Korans, teachings can be interpreted to the events and realities of the day where as the Shia are less able to make adjustments to today's realities , do not believe in "itjihad", goes back to the split of the two groups in the 10th century, big difference between the two groups, sects, and believe every word and commandment , the Koran, has to be followed literally. In Iran, a religious leader who was thought of as a descendant of the last such leader of the Shia came to power that the Shia population followed , not all, but the majority, where as in Egypt there is no such religious leader that is so adored or who has that power and prestige. Egypt has a powerful military that seems to be independent of this religious thinking, they have their own agenda. You have a large both secular and still religious segment of the population ion Egypt, that is not in favor of a religious take over of the country, they seem to want to keep them separate, possible along the lines of Turkey. They want a representative government , freedom to prosper, a elimination of abuses by the police, possible with the reality of knowing the military will play a important part in decisions of the government but are probably OK with that, different then we here in the USA and accepting of the Muslim Brotherhood if they agree to be a party who abides by the peoples will , as another political party is fine with most of them, thinking the Military will be making sure they don't over step and attempt to take over the country and turn it into a religious state. That a new civilian government might have a different way of conducting their relations with Israel, well that might be true. Not that they will tear up the peace treaty with Israel but possible might be more in tune with the rights of Palestinians and even with Ha mas for a better deal from the Israeli's toward the Palestinians. If so, then so be it. You have had that call from European states and the world hadn't crumbled. As far as embracing Iran , it's shia peoples, Hezbollah, a client group of Iran and also Shia in make up, I don't think so. Beyond a support of a better deal for the Palestinians, agitating for the destruction of Israel as a Jewish State that Iran and Hezbollah and Ha mas is/are doing, I don't see them junking their treaty with Israel, military remember still have their agenda, and going that route. For better understanding of who the Ayatollah was, his feelings and Iranians feelings I am posting the following link..might give you a better idea of why the two revolutions while a revolution are , may be different. I said maybe because the final chapter has not been written yet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 16:08:02 GMT -5
But, Dez, as you yourself pointed out, and I have confirmed myself-- Egypt has reached out to Iran in the last 24-48 hours. Could it be that the hate for US could overcome their antagonism towards each other?? I've worried about that for a few years. What IF they all join against us?? As with the oil, thars nukes in dem der hills, my friend!!
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 11, 2011 16:11:36 GMT -5
There's at least one thing they agree on...they both want to eliminate Israel. Unfortunately, based on his past actions and words, I don't see Obama being particularly interested in stopping them...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 16:20:36 GMT -5
But, Dez, as you yourself pointed out, and I have confirmed myself-- Egypt has reached out to Iran in the last 24-48 hours. Could it be that the hate for US could overcome their antagonism towards each other?? I've worried about that for a few years. What IF they all join against us?? As with the oil, thars nukes in dem der hills, my friend!! I missed that reaching out by Egypt...didn't think that they would have had the time to get involved in international goings on, you don't mean the Saudi's did you, the King did do that , he's very mad at Obama, even kings make emotional stupid non thinking decisions at time... any way hadn't heard Egypt doong the reaching out. Not saying they couldn't, a independent country but at this time , right now..reach out, Iran, why ?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 16:28:32 GMT -5
There's at least one thing they agree on...they both want to eliminate Israel. Unfortunately, based on his past actions and words, I don't see Obama being particularly interested in stopping them... mmm well we have over 2500 nucs, don't think they have started to dismantle the 1000 that are to be eliminated by the Russian/US recently disarmanent treaty...theres one way..and we will still have our 1500 warheads intact,, Just have to wait till the wind over Egypt is blowing South and Iran I guess , mmmm..our troops and allies are East there , wind goes South, that gets into Indias area, possible eventually China, Japan, North is turkey, Russia, lot of ---"stans " and Russia has all those Nics and will be p off.. and West we get Jordan and Israel...mmmm damn this is a hard one guy, got any ideas? ..damn wind, always those little things that throw a monkey wrench into great doing and plannings..[sheesh}
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 16:44:11 GMT -5
My bad, Dez-- I meant Saudi Arabia. Same thing as far as the different sects of Islam go, I believe. Sorry, my mistake. I never proof my posts.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 18:08:54 GMT -5
My bad, Dez-- I meant Saudi Arabia. Same thing as far as the different sects of Islam go, I believe. Sorry, my mistake. I never proof my posts. No problem..I thought thats who you meant and while no mention of it here yet, I will try and find the link, think it was on that Israeli one you gave me or al jazeer..I didn't copy it but it is desturbing..very much so. Almost like he, the King is in a snite, a kid playing ball , taking his ball home because he was not picked to play on a team till the last and then put in right field because all knows he sucks as a ball player... Or not thinking it through, that he is playing in the Majors now and when reality hits, as it did in Egypt, good friend or not, the good friend should know it's time to take his billions and go where he will be wanted and not hurt those who is supposed to look out for Like a MLB player..even Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Bagwell, Mantle and all the others Hall of Famers knew that they couldn't play with the big boys anymore , time to leave and go on to other things. Mubarak thought he could fake it , be allowed to stay, wasn't going to happen, cost to much for to little back..or in this case nothing really back but the misfortune put on others , no longer to be tolerated. King should have thought of it that way, not as a betrayal..Obama , as much as he appreciated his, Mubaraks help to US policy...he is playing in the big time and understands when to cut the ties .. His obligations are not to a friend, a soft landing ok, but first obligation, his country , the stability of a big and important area of the world..here he did as well as could be expected IMHO. By most comments, even his detractors, most feel the same way..now here on these boards....what can I say. LOL
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 18:32:34 GMT -5
Thanks I have all my links on the desk top...i'll check those, like em, will add em , thanks again.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 19:27:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 19:36:51 GMT -5
Dang, Dez-- lays it out pretty clearly, doesn't it? If we are going to sell out like whores to stop nations from becoming terrorists in a terrorist ridden part of the world..... then we are expected to kiss ass whenever and however they want. SO-- 2010-- the arms deal, 2-11, the Egypt eruption, which, from most reports, Obama did not whore up for.. so where are we now?? In deep crud, probably-- IF all of that in your link is true, which it probably is.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 19:47:07 GMT -5
Dang, Dez-- lays it out pretty clearly, doesn't it? If we are going to sell out like whores to stop nations from becoming terrorists in a terrorist ridden part of the world..... then we are expected to kiss ass whenever and however they want. SO-- 2010-- the arms deal, 2-11, the Egypt eruption, which, from most reports, Obama did not whore up for.. so where are we now?? In deep crud, probably-- IF all of that in your link is true, which it probably is. hopefully as in life...in time, cooler heads prevail..realities come into play..playing on emotions can get one killed as I know...give me cool thinking, planning and a calm commander anytime..emotions are for the ball fields and playground.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2011 20:26:16 GMT -5
I can often give the POTUSes the benefit of being mere pawns of the Bilderberg crowd. I never quite know if any of them have the slightest idea what is going on...... More likely, though, that they know damned well what is happening, and treat US like the idiots by feeding us false news reports. I noted today that the US news did not match news from the middle east....
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 8, 2011 16:17:07 GMT -5
Real news watch the BBC. There is even an new video ,shot from a helicopter,of the attach on the twin towers 9/11. No mention of it on any news channels here. How many of the attackers were associated with the Muslim Brotherhood I wonder?
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Post by henryclay on Mar 8, 2011 19:35:23 GMT -5
Somebody above has said that as times change people also change, and that they need "reliable" written sources in order to place the Muslim Brotherhood in a particular catregory of people.
I offer the words of the Muslim Brotherhood, and wonder if it is good enough.
Krickett’s link in #4 above to the Muslim Brotherhood document of 1991 mentions Ikhwan repeatedly. Wikipedia says this about Ikhwan:
Ikhwan is the Muslim word for Brother. The Ikhwan, being irregular tribesmen, . . . . .Their savage raids on others in and around Najd were merciless. Typically, every male captured was put to death by cutting his throat.”...........
From that, I would tend to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Brotherhood of Ikhwans.
Edited to insert: Having just looked it up, I don't have to wonder any longer. The Muslim words for "Muslim Brotherhood" are: "Al Ikhwan" I suggest a Google search for "Al Ikhwan". and see how may references to Muslim Brotherhood you get. One site even reports that the most used slogan of the Musliom Brotherhood, , , Al Ikhwan , , , is: "Islam is the only way"
Page 7 of the English translation part of the document includes this as the mission of the Ikhwan in America:
4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America: The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet.......”
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Post by henryclay on Mar 8, 2011 22:46:23 GMT -5
A full 25 percent of the posts on this thread were made by a single poster, and that poster has repeatedly said more information is needed before a decision can be made about whether America should be concerned over the Muslim Brotherhood's designs on it's future. The poster keeps wanting more information, but when the very words of the Muslim Brotherhood are presented to the poster all we get back is a nothing. No response. What does that tell anyone about anything? Maybe we have a poster who likes to go back and read his own posts to see if they have changed, , , , maybe?
The Muslim Brotherhood is not the Muslim Brotherhood for the purpose of defending the rights of anybody but other Muslims, , , and not even all of them.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 8, 2011 23:37:52 GMT -5
phew not me, counted and only 11, it was my original post , some were basically one liners made in jest and others were my thoughts on posted thoughts of others. Actually I think it was a good back and forth on the subject which is the whole purpose of these threads actually, to discuss, to learn to, things we didn't know about.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 8, 2011 23:53:46 GMT -5
Well well what have we here. That same certain poster I was talking about on the other thread seems to have gotten a little wayward over here as well. No warnings I see. I wonder how many other threads will confirm the pattern that seems to exist.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 9, 2011 0:42:04 GMT -5
"............which is the whole purpose of these threads actually, to discuss, to learn.........."
Well, what have you learned so far in this thread about the Muslim Brotherhood? Are their own words of instruction to their following a sufficiently reliable source to you regarding information on their intentions for America? If not, there is more. They refer to it as their "hundred year plan" It began in about 1981. Krickett's link above repeats a lot of it.
Or have you bothered to read it? I ask because you have sometimes said you post things on subjects before you read about the subjects, and I can't help but wonder about your having read up on the Muslim Brotherhood. You sure have posted about it.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 9, 2011 0:44:41 GMT -5
Why is there no reference to the hearings being led by Rep. Peter King (R, NY) on radicalization in the US?
The Muslim Brotherhood is the mother ship of radical islamists everywhere. They deny extremist positions, but most of the Muslim extremists in the Middle-East seem to have had some previous connection with them. They get assistance from American Muslim groups [and those in sympathy with them] and, presumably pass on this assistance to those they choose. Most of the Muslim Brotherhood seem to be middle-class, well educated and somewhat westernized Muslims. It is entirely possible that they would prefer a modern westernized Egypt, but they are nevertheless Islamists who believe in Jihad and the necessity of the destruction of both Israel and those in the West who resist them, particularly and specifically the US.
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Post by henryclay on Mar 9, 2011 0:58:43 GMT -5
Thanks, safe, , , It's pretty plain whose side the rambling taoist is on. Isn't it true that one of Alinsky's rules for radicals is to muddy the water so the main point gets lost?
Congressman King is on target, and I hope someone in addition to C-Span covers his hearings. But heck, it wouldn't surprise me if even C-Span skips this one.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 9, 2011 8:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Mar 9, 2011 16:42:44 GMT -5
"Today’s terrorists do not share a particular ethnic, educational or socioeconomic background. Recently, when state law enforcement agencies were asked to identify terror groups in their states, Muslim extremist groups ranked 11th on a list of 18. Law enforcement agencies identified neo-Nazis, environmental extremists and anti-tax groups as more prevalent than Muslim terrorist organizations. The sophisticated explosive device found along a parade route in Washington on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, an act of domestic terrorism clearly motivated by racist ideology, should prove that other groups are just as willing and able to carry out horrific attacks on Americans." www.isna.net/articles/News-Briefs/Ranking-Member-on-Homeland-Security-Committee-calls-for-end-to-racial-profiling-in-war-on-.aspxSo where's the anti-tax group terrorist outrage? You seem to be the expert, why don't you tell us? Or is it a Conservative meme to start a sentence with "Isn't it true that one of Alinsky's rules for radicals is ..."?
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Post by henryclay on Mar 9, 2011 16:57:34 GMT -5
"........You seem to be the expert, why don't you tell us? Or is it a Conservative meme to start a sentence with "Isn't it true that one of Alinsky's rules for radicals is ..."? ..........
No, m'kitty, as a matter of fact it is not a Conservative meme. Rather it is a fact that Alinsky's Rule # 3 is exactly what I alluded to. As in: RULE 3: " , , , , , Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. . . . . organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address."
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