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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 8:07:36 GMT -5
Lib journalists are now crying about limited access to Obama... www.politico.com/story/2013/02/obama-the-puppet-master-87764.htmlWell, conservatives don't suspect a liberal press willingly and eagerly allows itself to get manipulated- we KNOW that the press AGREES and is complicit. No manipulation is necessary. They're ON THE SAME TEAM. Which is precisely why this diaper baby reporter is crying. For a second, the liberal press was treated like *gasp* - an outsider, not on the same team.
Awww, poor babies. They're "trying" but the mean old President won't let them have access. Um, yeah- that's because you're supposed to have to work at it. There's supposed to be an adversarial relationship.
This is pathetic. They assert they don't have a cozy relationship with the White House (nobody ever said they did- we conservatives simply point out the ideological agreement and reluctance by the media to hurt the cause. Instead, they admit they're cowards. This is probably the most incredible admission here- they admit to journalistic malpractice.
Well- here ya go. Another SITYS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 8:23:02 GMT -5
I thought he was the puppet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 8:43:25 GMT -5
Manchurian Puppet Master...
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 20, 2013 10:59:06 GMT -5
We're all in team America. x 50
What team are you on? 'Cause isn't it unpatriotic to say bad things about the President and such? And don't you people have a secession thingie to sign or something? Well at least you've got the internet boards to flood.
Inb4 the press says something bad about Obama, then it's time to do the "Obama's so bad, even the press is reporting it!!!" routine.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 11:06:55 GMT -5
We're all in team America. x 50
What team are you on? 'Cause isn't it unpatriotic to say bad things about the President and such? And don't you people have a secession thingie to sign or something? Well at least you've got the internet boards to flood.
Inb4 the press says something bad about Obama, then it's time to do the "Obama's so bad, even the press is reporting it!!!" routine.
You mean like when George W. Bush was President? X 50? You're funny. Keep your day job funny, but funny.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 20, 2013 11:07:17 GMT -5
This is pathetic. ------------- It c ertainly is. Your obsession borders on the pathological.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 11:15:59 GMT -5
This is pathetic. ------------- It c ertainly is. Your obsession borders on the pathological. Yeah- I'm pathological. I'm not the deranged 'journalist' lamenting the fact that my dear leader, of whom I admittedly fear won't give me an interview unless I toss softballs, and play nice with, won't give me access. Access isn't given. It's taken. This is the damn "fourth branch of government" we're talking about here- the Fourth Estate.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
This lament is from the inside- this isn't a conservative complaint. It's apparently so bad, some of the wagons drivers are leaving gaps...
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 20, 2013 11:24:58 GMT -5
You must spend countless hours scouring the interwebz so you can start yet another thread slamming Obama. Sometimes a full dozen of the threads on page one are started by you, and many are quite a reach. Suck it up, toots. He's your duly-elected president, elected by "we the people", and all the foaming at the mouth in the world isn't going to change that.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 11:54:04 GMT -5
You must spend countless hours scouring the interwebz so you can start yet another thread slamming Obama. Sometimes a full dozen of the threads on page one are started by you, and many are quite a reach. Suck it up, toots. He's your duly-elected president, elected by "we the people", and all the foaming at the mouth in the world isn't going to change that. Um, finding an article on Politico written by a whiny diaper baby lib reporter isn't exactly "scouring". Btw- in case you do still "scour" they have news aggregators now. Start with www.drudgereport.com -- a lot less scouring when you do.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 11:54:43 GMT -5
Now, as the mods say- let's address the post and not the poster. Either you have something substantive to add, or you don't. So far, you don't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2013 14:54:21 GMT -5
W was the least accessible president in history. O has a long way to go to catch him.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 16:36:43 GMT -5
W was the least accessible president in history. O has a long way to go to catch him. That's not the point. The point is that journalists are complicit- and they obviously expected something in return for their complicity, and are clearly upset they didn't get it. The point is NOT that the political class- and in particular, Presidents, try to control the message and manipulate the media-- this article exposes the fact that they're shocked by it because after all, Obama is THEIR guy. They've been carrying his water for close to a decade now beginning with the Chicago Tribune's work on the Illinois State Senate and US Senate candidacy of Barrack Obama- and they got shut out of one little Florida golf outing and they're having a hissy fit. Not only that, but this journalist exposes the cowardice of the WH press corps to engage in any kind of coverage critical of President Obama. They had no such qualms covering the Bush WH.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Feb 20, 2013 17:10:25 GMT -5
I'm still slightly mystified with this whole concept of a "LIBERAL" (THE HORROR) main stream media?
Who is behind all of this nefarious brainwashing of the gullible, impressionable American people?
I see it as quite the opposite: the populist media, be it Fox, or syndicated radio, are mostly raving right wing lunatics preaching to the choir.
Fundamentally, I don't see much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.
And who says the media, of whatever self-serving stripe you want to paint them, should have access to the President 24/7?
Mind you, it would have presented an interesting juxtaposition reporting on the Pres shooting a few rounds with Tiger: probably one of the best family men with one of the worst.
Michelle was brave to let her husband do it...but that's trust, isn't it.
Still, I wonder what kind of small talk transpired between these two unlikely golf buddies.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 17:38:42 GMT -5
There is no longer a "liberal" or "biased" media. There are basically three main outlets for news- the conservative alternative media, your bloggers and your talk radio types; the populist media- Fox; and Pravda- the Democrat / State media. They're not biased, they work for the Democratic Party. That's why there's a revolving door between Democrat regimes and the State media.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 17:47:42 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 17:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 17:50:36 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 20, 2013 17:52:26 GMT -5
Looks like you're the only one outraged, Paul. You'll have to find something else to drum up some enthusiasm.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 20, 2013 17:52:48 GMT -5
Frankly, people that "don't see it" just aren't living in reality. It's a combination of coming up in the groupthink, agreeing with it, never questioning it, and living in ignorance of it; and consciously agreeing with it, and liking it but denying it for political reasons.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2013 20:17:19 GMT -5
W was the least accessible president in history. O has a long way to go to catch him. That's not the point. The point is that journalists are complicit- and they obviously expected something in return for their complicity, and are clearly upset they didn't get it. They had no such qualms covering the Bush WH. horseshit. if you seriously believe that, you are deranged. presidents control the media by controlling access, and W was better at it that anyone in history. and the media refused to ask him any questions that would have made a difference until Katrina. a simple question suchas: "the CIA has questioned the veracity of your WMD claims. your own expert, whom you hired, says that the aluminum tubes you claim were for weapons grade uranium can't be used for that purpose, yet you continue to claim they are. your mobile weapons lab claim came from a source the CIA considers unreliable. and, finally, the yellowcake documents are widely considered to be forgeries. do you have ANY evidence that indicates that we should be going after Saddam for the reasons you claim we should". ONE question such as that, repeated over and over again, would have saved 5,000 American and 100,000+ Iraqi lives. yet it was never asked. the blood is on their "liberal" hands. could i now say the same about Obama's drone program? yes. yes i could. it never changes. but to simply float the canard that the media grilled W and let Clinton and Obama off the hook is utter nonsense, that fails even the most cursory inspection.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 20, 2013 20:21:47 GMT -5
Frankly, people that "don't see it" just aren't living in reality. It's a combination of coming up in the groupthink, agreeing with it, never questioning it, and living in ignorance of it; and consciously agreeing with it, and liking it but denying it for political reasons. I'm eternally grateful that we have you to set us on the right path and to lead us into a brighter and better tomorrow.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2013 20:23:49 GMT -5
I'm still slightly mystified with this whole concept of a "LIBERAL" (THE HORROR) main stream media?. you shouldn't be. it is a way to constrain debate. if the media is liberal, than asking anything that is even MORE liberal than something you see in the media is out of the question. for example, questioning the innate goodness of US foreign policy. or questioning the basis and extent of the power of Israel to control the content and language of the debate in the US on middle east relations. or questioning the basis and extent of the power of Saudi Arabia over foreign policy and energy policy in Washington. or any of a million other questions that are never seriously addressed. if you want to know a LOT more about it, i can start a thread. but it started HERE: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Media_Elitethis book, and the basis for it, are utter rubbish- but it's assumptions are so widely accepted in certain circles that few people dare even question them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2013 20:27:04 GMT -5
There is no longer a "liberal" or "biased" media. i disagree. all media is biased. but commercial media is not biased in a particularly political way, imo.There are basically three main outlets for news- the conservative alternative media, there is alternative media of all sorts. if you add in ALL alternative press, you and i agree.your bloggers and your talk radio types; the populist media- Fox; FOX's populism is largely corpratist. so is CNN's. they don't want to do anything to endanger ad revenue.and Pravda- the Democrat (sic) / State media. They're not biased, they work for the Democrat (sic) Party. That's why there's a revolving door between Democrat (sic) regimes and the State media. it is true that there is a revolving door between industry and the mainstream political parties, but there is no detectable bias to it. this is far more visible at FOX than other networks, where you have guys like Cain and Palin coming and going even WHILE campaigning.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2013 20:29:41 GMT -5
Frankly, people that "don't see it" just aren't living in reality. It's a combination of coming up in the groupthink, agreeing with it, never questioning it, and living in ignorance of it; and consciously agreeing with it, and liking it but denying it for political reasons. this reads like textbook narcissism: "i am right, and anyone that disagrees with me is either ignorant or deluded"
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 20, 2013 22:09:05 GMT -5
I'm starting to think that whoever Americans elect in 2016 could fold the US Bill of Rights into a club, use it to beat a tourist to death in the White House lobby, and between Pres. Bush and Pres. Obama, still get away with it as "something Presidents just do".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 21, 2013 14:17:13 GMT -5
We are well past any kind of rational discussion here- there's simply no disputing the fact that the mainstream press corps, the WH press corps, the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, et al are decidedly far left and on board with the Obama agenda. Period. Arguing otherwise is like staring into the sun and saying it's nighttime. I don't have to prove "it's not night" at this point because the fact that it's day time is self-evident, and call me names and label me if you wish, but I am right about this, and anyone that disagrees with me aren't necessarily delusional- some / most would rather turn it into an argument, and call those of us who see it "crazy" because that's easier or more desirable politically than admitting the truth.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2013 15:01:10 GMT -5
We are well past any kind of rational discussion here- there's simply no disputing the fact that the mainstream press corps, the WH press corps, the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, et al are decidedly ---------- on board with the Obama agenda. Period. red herring. i have never argued otherwise (with edit. they are NOT far left. and you can add FOX in there too. they all vie for access). Arguing otherwise is like staring into the sun and saying it's nighttime. I don't have to prove "it's not night" at this point because the fact that it's day time is self-evident, and call me names and label me if you wish, but I am right about this, and anyone that disagrees with me aren't necessarily delusional- some / most would rather turn it into an argument, and call those of us who see it "crazy" because that's easier or more desirable politically than admitting the truth. you like talking to yourself?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 21, 2013 15:12:02 GMT -5
We are well past any kind of rational discussion here- there's simply no disputing the fact that the mainstream press corps, the WH press corps, the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, et al are decidedly far left and on board with the Obama agenda. Period. Arguing otherwise is like staring into the sun and saying it's nighttime. I don't have to prove "it's not night" at this point because the fact that it's day time is self-evident, and call me names and label me if you wish, but I am right about this, and anyone that disagrees with me aren't necessarily delusional- some / most would rather turn it into an argument, and call those of us who see it "crazy" because that's easier or more desirable politically than admitting the truth. Look at it this way: If your thesis is correct, all these news agencies are competing for the same piece of the pro-administration pie. Their bread and butter is pro-administration America, split five ways. Anti-administration news agencies, most notably FOX News and Breitbart, cater to an audience of roughly the same size without the congestion. Hence does not the status quo work out to the benefit of the anti-administration agencies? Now consider your broader grievance: You're upset about a friendly relationship between the fourth estate and the Obama administration because you think Pres. Obama is a rotten President and the media's coverage of him ought to reflect that fact. But as far as P&M is concerned, you've already won the battle. During the past month, the most favourable thing anyone here has said about Pres. Obama is that he's "not Bush". If your audience is rebutting with could-be-worse apologism and disheartened reminders that Pres. Obama was duly elected to the office by the American people, it would seem they ostensibly agree with you that he's a lousy President. So take a few deep cleansing breaths already.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2013 15:58:17 GMT -5
We are well past any kind of rational discussion here- there's simply no disputing the fact that the mainstream press corps, the WH press corps, the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, et al are decidedly far left and on board with the Obama agenda. Period. Arguing otherwise is like staring into the sun and saying it's nighttime. I don't have to prove "it's not night" at this point because the fact that it's day time is self-evident, and call me names and label me if you wish, but I am right about this, and anyone that disagrees with me aren't necessarily delusional- some / most would rather turn it into an argument, and call those of us who see it "crazy" because that's easier or more desirable politically than admitting the truth. Look at it this way: If your thesis is correct, all these news agencies are competing for the same piece of the pro-administration pie. Their bread and butter is pro-administration America, split five ways. Anti-administration news agencies, most notably FOX News and Breitbart, cater to an audience of roughly the same size without the congestion. Hence does not the status quo work out to the benefit of the anti-administration agencies? not really. news agencies need access. without access, there is really not much to report, except what everyone else is reporting. that is not how you make a name for yourself in the news business, but clearly there are a lot of agencies that like that model. it is very cost effective to simply regurgitate what the real news agencies report. you know- the ones that actually have reporters that go and find news items?Now consider your broader grievance: You're upset about a friendly relationship between the fourth estate and the Obama administration because you think Pres. Obama is a rotten President and the media's coverage of him ought to reflect that fact. But as far as P&M is concerned, you've already won the battle. During the past month, the most favourable thing anyone here has said about Pres. Obama is that he's "not Bush". If your audience is rebutting with could-be-worse apologism and disheartened reminders that Pres. Obama was duly elected to the office by the American people, it would seem they ostensibly agree with you that he's a lousy President. So take a few deep cleansing breaths already. corporate news is intrinsically biased toward government for reasons of access and because it is easier to ride the boat than rock it. they don't have a political axe to grind. they would sell their own grandma for a buck.
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