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Post by swamp on Feb 13, 2013 21:34:24 GMT -5
I can't have a good life. I am woefully deficient in my critical thinking skills.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 21:36:55 GMT -5
no, you didn't. and we're done with this.
any further posts here will result in a 1-day vacation. I've had more than enough of your shenanigans tonight.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Feb 13, 2013 21:51:51 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 13, 2013 22:16:36 GMT -5
The thread locked, happen ain't gonna. There. Now, I've even confused Yoda.
Let's get back to the blinkin' topic! That ought to solve all sorts of problems!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 13, 2013 22:42:42 GMT -5
Cracking up I am. This thread has taken a decidedly comedic turn
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 22:47:44 GMT -5
enjoy your day off, snowbird.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 13, 2013 22:53:48 GMT -5
@funsnowbird, I appreciate your advocacy in this thread, but I think that everything that can be said in this discussion already has been said. To avoid making trouble for chiver, it's best that neither of us post again in this thread.
Thanks.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Feb 13, 2013 23:03:52 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2013 11:34:53 GMT -5
Obviously if I felt there was a credible threat to the student's life, I would amend my advice. I'm looking at it from a Biblical perspective. It condemns specific acts. it does. it specifically condemns coveting. coveting of all kinds. look around you, Virgil. see any coveting? it also forbids divorce, except under certain circumstances. it says very little about homosexuality compared to these two things.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2013 11:39:47 GMT -5
you are raising a lot of different points here, grits. did you intend all of that as a DEFENSE for the Texas GOP's actions? if so, i am failing to see how the Texas GOP addresses ANY of your LEGITIMATE concerns. I am pointing out reasons for the decline of the USA. It has very little to do with the Republican party of Texas. As I have stated on other threads, I am an independent, and always have been. I do know that the Constitution does indeed allow states the powers not specifically granted the Federal Government by the constitution. It would allow them to set their own education programs. I did state before that taking one article, and running wild with it didn't mean what people were claiming would happen was indeed the intention of the government. I have noticed many times that people get all hysterical and crazy about things that probably never would happen. (not talking about you). Multiple posters on here have been jumping to many conclusions, and the policy hasn't even been implemented yet. An analytical mind would take a wait and see attitude. perhaps. but for all of the reasons you stated- that this has to do with Texas and not California- i am really not interested in the policies that come out of this. i am only really interested in the ideas behind this, and debating them.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 14, 2013 12:18:28 GMT -5
Wow. ...I agree with what you said in the other thread, too... fwiw...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 14:05:32 GMT -5
Wow. ...I agree with what you said in the other thread, too... fwiw... I'm actually curious about this. For the whole thread funsnowbird basically does drive bys, quoting, leaving cryptic messages which seem to indicate everyone else is wrong/stupid, and refusing to clarify.... But somehow the rest of us are name callers? Stupid liked my own post again while trying to edit...is there away o unlike..?
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2013 14:09:23 GMT -5
I guess we're just supposed to all hug each other and post sparkly pictures and sing Kumbaya instead... And throw in the occassional "you go girl!" Don't forget the "I love God" posts. Or maybe it's "God love I do."
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2013 14:17:16 GMT -5
OK, OK, she's not here to defend herself. Let's be nice. why start now?
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Post by The Captain on Feb 14, 2013 14:28:03 GMT -5
Ok, can I ask something? Just curious on funsnowbird.
I checked to see if there was a subset CoC for this board and couldn't find anything so I'm presuming the standar Coc applies here.
Yea, there was some back and fourth going on but I didn't see anything stated which warranted a vacation? Not challenging anyone but honestly curious because obviously something which was inappropriate was said and the fact that I'm missing it means I could engage in the same, unacceptable, behavior.
ANSWER - by mmhmm I can't answer you very well, captain, as I wasn't here at the time all this went down. I can say, however, that funsnowbird was asked a couple of times (by a moderator) to cut it out with the one-liner comments. It was pretty obvious there was a war of wills going on amongst a few posters. Funsnowbird was one of them. When asked to stop, she said she would, said she was going to leave the thread, then continued with the one-liners. I'm pretty sure that is the reason for her short "vacation". When any member is asked by a member of staff to cease and desist, it's best to do as one is asked. If there are questions, or problems, contact the moderator, another moderator, or moonbeam. If you continue to do what you're asked not to do, there is always a risk you'll find yourself sitting it out for a bit, since the moderator had a reason for making the request.
I really hope that helps. As I said, I can't answer for the moderator who was here, but that's my take on the issue.
further answer - by chiver, the moderator in question mmhmm's analysis is correct. in many cases, we will step in when topics go haywire and ask people to get back on-topic. that generally happens and we all move on. in some cases, the direction is ignored. when that happens, posts get removed and people earn vacations if it's obnoxious enough. that's pretty much what happened here.
hope that answers your question okay.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 14, 2013 14:43:45 GMT -5
...I agree with what you said in the other thread, too... fwiw... I'm actually curious about this. For the whole thread funsnowbird basically does drive bys, quoting, leaving cryptic messages which seem to indicate everyone else is wrong/stupid, and refusing to clarify.... But somehow the rest of us are name callers? Stupid liked my own post again while trying to edit...is there away o unlike..? ...well, I see things getting personal with the opening posts... "you're nuts," "how many kids do you have?," and "just call my wife" comments are simply variations of not playing nice in the sandbox... GEL mentioned elsewhere that this thread had a lot of personal bickering, and I didn't have to go past the first page to see why... ...jmho...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 15:06:38 GMT -5
Since you pointed it out, I went back and re-read page 1. DJ stated an opinion, Virgil called him a liar, and DJ said call my wife to confirm. It's interesting that you only pulled out one side of that exchange as an example.
It seems like everyone's tolerance for heated discussion is a little different, but when the volleys are going in both directions and are within the code of conduct, I don't see the big deal. But I also thought that judging from the sidelines and disparaging us on another thread was a little childish.
I hope you come back to P&M when the topic interests you BTDT, but I also hope that you will call folks out directly if you think something was below the belt.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 14, 2013 15:18:25 GMT -5
You may notice post number oddities, MM, if a Mods Only post is made. It will take up a slot, but it will not show. Therefore, the numbers will seem out of sequence.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Feb 14, 2013 15:26:38 GMT -5
so you think that "instilling a love of learning," to use your words, isn't one of the responsibility of schools? I'd argue that anyone in a capacity to teach a child has a responsibility to instill a love of learning. clearly, Texas only wants to instill a love of authority. i am open to the idea that this may be a party-wide problem. Yeah, you wouldn't want people on one party voting for your party because they believe the other party is just a party that hates women, minorities, the poor, Santa Claus, and everything else....no problem with trying to prevent questioning from the left at all. I'm not sure what's up with the whole Texas thing, but I have met more than few teachers who mistake critical thinking with agreeing with their own views. I also think there is an age to consider, as younger kids do not necessarily have the skills to question what a teacher says is or isn't true. Critical thinking is something that can be developed over time once the child is old enough to actually be able to participate and not just regurgitate.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 14, 2013 15:29:30 GMT -5
I'm actually curious about this. For the whole thread funsnowbird basically does drive bys, quoting, leaving cryptic messages which seem to indicate everyone else is wrong/stupid, and refusing to clarify.... But somehow the rest of us are name callers? Stupid liked my own post again while trying to edit...is there away o unlike..? ...well, I see things getting personal with the opening posts... "you're nuts," "how many kids do you have?," and "just call my wife" comments are simply variations of not playing nice in the sandbox... GEL mentioned elsewhere that this thread had a lot of personal bickering, and I didn't have to go past the first page to see why... ...jmho... I'll go along with you, BTDT, on the "you're nuts" comment. However, if someone is opining on how children should be taught, raised, or dealt with, it's within reason to inquire if that person has children (which was the question - "not how many kids do you have"). If you make a statement about yourself and someone tells you the statement is untrue, you have a right to make it clear there are those who know what you've said about yourself is true. If you get too selective in finding wrongdoing, others are going to notice. There was quite a bit of bickering and it wasn't one-sided, by any means.
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Post by swamp on Feb 14, 2013 15:31:56 GMT -5
I have too.
It's a wonderful exercise in learning how to mouth the right thing while thinking something else. It's a skill that has served me well.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 14, 2013 15:36:09 GMT -5
Since you pointed it out, I went back and re-read page 1. DJ stated an opinion, Virgil called him a liar, and DJ said call my wife to confirm. It's interesting that you only pulled out one side of that exchange as an example. ...about as interesting as your take on the above, I suppose...
It seems like everyone's tolerance for heated discussion is a little different, but when the volleys are going in both directions and are within the code of conduct, I don't see the big deal. But I also thought that judging from the sidelines and disparaging us on another thread was a little childish. ...when did I disparage you all in this thread other there?
...but yes, posters' tolerance levels are different...
I hope you come back to P&M when the topic interests you BTDT, but I also hope that you will call folks out directly if you think something was below the belt. ...my responses in blue...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 14, 2013 15:45:15 GMT -5
...well, I see things getting personal with the opening posts... "you're nuts," "how many kids do you have?," and "just call my wife" comments are simply variations of not playing nice in the sandbox... GEL mentioned elsewhere that this thread had a lot of personal bickering, and I didn't have to go past the first page to see why... ...jmho... I'll go along with you, BTDT, on the "you're nuts" comment. However, if someone is opining on how children should be taught, raised, or dealt with, it's within reason to inquire if that person has children (which was the question - "not how many kids do you have"). If you make a statement about yourself and someone tells you the statement is untrue, you have a right to make it clear there are those who know what you've said about yourself is true. If you get too selective in finding wrongdoing, others are going to notice. There was quite a bit of bickering and it wasn't one-sided, by any means. ...well, you and I will have to disagree on a "resume needed" approach to this discussion... I read Virgil's response to DJ's wanting his teen to "question his authority" as more of a broad-strokes comment about parental authority in general... yes, my mind was in macro-mode, not micro-... and if there's some extra-thread info between them (much like crafty and I just referenced) then I would have no point-of-reference as to why DJ (or others) might take that personally...
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 14, 2013 15:59:15 GMT -5
Stupid liked my own post again while trying to edit...is there away o unlike..? yup, just click the again and it will go away.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Feb 14, 2013 16:04:27 GMT -5
I have too. It's a wonderful exercise in learning how to mouth the right thing while thinking something else. It's a skill that has served me well. I can serve you well, but again it is a learned skill which really only comes with practice and an ability to realize that is what you are doing. The hard thing about critical thinking is that it doesn't develop at the same age for every person, which is why it is important for people to get the basics down first in order to have a solid foundation when the skill does start to develop. If a teacher says something, especially at younger ages, they are in a position of power and young kids especially don't really have the skills to question what is said...they just take it as truth, which is were the danger of pushing certain agendas come into to play. It is kind of funny that government employees aren't supposed to push political agendas while on duty due to the Hatch Act, but it is not uncommon in schools. I am by no means saying every teacher does it, but we all know it does happen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2013 18:11:47 GMT -5
Good point. I'd hate for someone to figure out MRSA or the super clap. *lol* The theory of evolution's contribution to the geneticist's research: those bugs changed incrementally, and they did so for the benefit, survival, and adaptation of the organism. Wowee. Stop the presses. Can the theory tell you how the germs will change next? Nope. Can the theory tell you how to prevent them from changing? Nope. Can it tell you how to defend against them when they do change? Nuh'uh. Can it tell you which germ is next poised for a breakout? Noooo. Can it tell you the specific factors that caused the change to occur? That would be 'no'. Can it tell you why the bug wasn't around 100 years ago? Of course not. Can it build the gene sequencers and supercomputers used to isolate genes and recognize patterns in an attempt to profile the bugs and develop new antibiotics? Yes, absolu- oh no wait, that's electrical and software engineering. it doesn't propose to do any of those things, any more than probability determines outcomes to uncertain situations.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2013 18:14:45 GMT -5
i just finished a DIET Coke, if you want to talk about empty. Sometime in the last week, I read an article online that discussed a study that showed drinking one diet Coke a week increased the risk of diabetes by 33%. The article said it was worse than sugar sweetened Coke. I have to sign off. The guy who was supposed to call hasn't, and I am going to call him. One does what one must to help someone in need. did they control for the fact that people who drink diet beverages tend to be overweight?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2013 18:17:14 GMT -5
i don't think i was asking. I think you were and I think you think you were asking. for the record, i was intentionally avoiding commenting on your posts when i made that reply, so i can tell you without a sliver of a doubt that i was not asking you. please stop doing that. i hope you know what i mean by "that".
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 14, 2013 18:26:43 GMT -5
I regard critical thinking as a skill that can be developed to its greatest potential in the individual. You may look at that as a belief that it can be taught, or not. It makes no difference to me. I know it can be developed because I have developed and implemented programs to do so for nurses. I know what presented itself at the beginning of a development program, and I know what walked out at the end. That is the sum of my argument. I agree with you that critical thinking can and should be taught in school, at the right time. But the fact of the matter is that if you have a bunch of lefties claiming to teach critical thinking, then the only views that will be challenged will be conservative ones, and critical thinking class can easily turn into "I'm telling you what to think not how to think" class. In my experience, liberals are more dogmatic than the Vatican when they get in power and folks in the education/social work field tend to be left leaning, so I have a hard time beleiving that critical thinking class in a public school will be anything other than liberal indoctination. i am sorry you feel that way, but i can establish an absolute fact here, at least at the public college level: my leftie teacher in critical thinking absolutely tolerated conservative arguments. also, in my experience, liberals are far less doctrinal than conservatives. so, i really don't understand where you are getting your presumed facts from. in fact, i will go a bit further. i bet i can "prove" that liberals are less doctrinal than conservatives (by reasonable associations). want to take me up on it?
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