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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 15:47:07 GMT -5
I don't recall seeing the U2 show. I think I was sort of over them at that time, so just didn't watch. U2 is my generation's Beatles. No matter how long we live, we will think they are relevant and that their music should be popular. I just felt they had jumped the shark - even though I know the album that contained "Beautiful Day" was wildly popular and released around that time.
I will concede they were probably relevant - just not to me. They peaked a long time before that.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 15:54:55 GMT -5
'looking down on someone for something as simple as nerves.' If she had a case of nerves, then she should have sung it the right way. As an ANTHEM, not a bad performance. I look forward to hearing your rendition of anthem perfection when you're asked to perform for over 100 million. Interesting the narrow mindedness people have about doing things "the right way" even when it's something as artistic as singing and insisting that the "right way" is whatever they deem to be right.
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Post by swamp on Feb 7, 2011 15:57:53 GMT -5
I don't recall seeing the U2 show. I think I was sort of over them at that time, so just didn't watch. U2 is my generation's Beatles. No matter how long we live, we will think they are relevant and that their music should be popular. I just felt they had jumped the shark - even though I know the album that contained "Beautiful Day" was wildly popular and released around that time. I will concede they were probably relevant - just not to me. They peaked a long time before that. Yes, like in 1987.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 15:59:08 GMT -5
I agree that we should forgive her for not being a perfect performer.
I also agree that we can discuss the artistic merits of the stylized version she chose.
They really have nothing to do with each other. She would likely be way more nervous, and probably give a worse performance, if she had sung it straight.
I like Christina - I think she's got a powerful voice. I just don't like the dancing around the note. I would like to see her minimize that to show what her voice can actually do. Maybe that would be the death of her.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 15:59:29 GMT -5
So I'm old to want the National Anthem to sound like a song and for the singer to actually sing instead of warbling like the seagull in The Little Mermaid? If that's the case, then 42 went from being middle-aged to being old. BTW: I thought the Peas put on a lousy show and if Usher (another talented person) actually sang anything, I didn't hear it over the background singers. And I gladly admit I was cringing all through Fergie butchering Sweet Child of Mine. Axl Rose may be a mess, but in my mind, that's a G&R song and shouldn't be covered by the likes of Fergie. If you're so old and out of touch that you hear current popular music and equate it to "seagull warbling" then yes, 42 is old. It also becomes evident when you take issue with people covering songs you feel shouldn't be touched by these newfangled kids taking over the radio.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:00:00 GMT -5
Probably more like 88 or 89. I liked Rattle and Hum a lot.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 7, 2011 16:01:10 GMT -5
The BEP weren't too bad really, considering how horrible the sound system was functioning. I honestly thought Fergie covering Sweet Child of Mine was one of the highlights of the show. She sounds pretty close to Axl, to be honest. I do kind of question the idea of booking them in the first place though. They aren't a very good live band to begin with, in my opinion anyway.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 16:06:29 GMT -5
The BEP weren't too bad really, considering how horrible the sound system was functioning. I honestly thought Fergie covering Sweet Child of Mine was one of the highlights of the show. She sounds pretty close to Axl, to be honest. I do kind of question the idea of booking them to begin with though. They aren't a very good live band to begin with, in my opinion anyway. I think most hip-hop/rap performances aren't going to be very good choices because frankly you never get to hear much in the way of voices in those performances. It's much better suited to rock music. I think the NFL just realized how old they were getting in their half time selection and needed someone younger and more current. I'm hard-pressed to think of any rock band who could have fit this year's bill. Traditionally you kind of want that U2, GNR, Aerosmith sound.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:08:52 GMT -5
I wasn't diggin' the plastic toupee. But I liked the glowing body suited people on the field.
I think setting up a whole stage and giving a 10 minute live performance and breaking it down is just stupid.
Why not just get every one of those whory-cheerleaders from the whole NFL to just come and do a little strip-tease, without taking any clothes off? That's what they do during regular games - and someone must like it. I know I sound like an old prude - but those gals really are one bump and grind away from center stage with a pole!
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Post by Befferz on Feb 7, 2011 16:11:51 GMT -5
The BEP weren't too bad really, considering how horrible the sound system was functioning. I honestly thought Fergie covering Sweet Child of Mine was one of the highlights of the show. She sounds pretty close to Axl, to be honest. I do kind of question the idea of booking them to begin with though. They aren't a very good live band to begin with, in my opinion anyway. I think most hip-hop/rap performances aren't going to be very good choices because frankly you never get to hear much in the way of voices in those performances. It's much better suited to rock music. I think the NFL just realized how old they were getting in their half time selection and needed someone younger and more current. I'm hard-pressed to think of any rock band who could have fit this year's bill. Traditionally you kind of want that U2, GNR, Aerosmith sound. Ok then, who would you have chosen instead?
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:13:44 GMT -5
Well given that he said "I'm hard-pressed to think of any rock band who could have fit this year's bill" I'm guessing he can't really think of anyone.
Bring on Roots - those guys are awesome live!
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 16:15:17 GMT -5
That's kind of my point, I'm not sure I can think of anyone good. That's why I said I'm hard-pressed to think of a rock band to fit into this year. I think it was a good choice to get the BEP's. I just don't think it's ever going to be as good of a "concert" as getting a rock band.
I think looking at the "halftime show" as more like a planetarium light show set to a band's music and less of a concert is the way to view these things. There was some cool stuff with the glowing body suits, people dropping from above which you normally wouldn't see in football, but the music quality is rarely if ever good, particularly when it's not just a concert, it's a concert you're watching on tv with equipment that was set up in 10 minutes.
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Post by Befferz on Feb 7, 2011 16:15:17 GMT -5
Well given that he said "I'm hard-pressed to think of any rock band who could have fit this year's bill" I'm guessing he can't really think of anyone. Bring on Roots - those guys are awesome live! That's what I get for posting at work--only half-seeing the response. Sorry...
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Post by michelyn8 on Feb 7, 2011 16:15:39 GMT -5
If you're so old and out of touch that you hear current popular music and equate it to "seagull warbling" then yes, 42 is old. It also becomes evident when you take issue with people covering songs you feel shouldn't be touched by these newfangled kids taking over the radio. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fun&action=display&thread=2998&page=3#ixzz1DJFKZ5QUI didn't say all "current popular music" sounded that way............but when artists who are gifted with voices like Christina, Whitney and Mariah sing that way, that's exactly how it sounds to me. I, personally, think they are to talented for some of the squalling I've heard them do to "be hip". As for covers, I've heard some I like better than the original (Alien Ant Farm's cover of Smooth Criminal beats Michael Jackson's original hands down) but there are some songs that I don't want to hear any other way than how they were originally done. And then there are some that are funny to hear because the song was bad enough the first time around so I can't figure out why anyone would want to cover it now. And if that makes me old, I'm proud of it.
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Post by Befferz on Feb 7, 2011 16:17:48 GMT -5
That's kind of my point, I'm not sure I can think of anyone good. That's why I said I'm hard-pressed to think of a rock band to fit into this year. I think it was a good choice to get the BEP's. I just don't think it's ever going to be as good of a "concert" as getting a rock band. I think looking at the "halftime show" as more like a planetarium light show set to a band's music and less of a concert is the way to view these things. There was some cool stuff with the glowing body suits, people dropping from above which you normally wouldn't see in football, but the music quality is rarely if ever good, particularly when it's not just a concert, it's a concert you're watching on tv with equipment that was set up in 10 minutes. Exactly, it's the halftime show, not the halftime concert. So people shouldn't expect it to be as good as a concert.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 16:18:44 GMT -5
I think the current band with the best "sound" for that kind of thing might be Linkin Park, but again, kind of rock/rap so the lyrics won't be great to hear. Cross-match them with Fort Minor which includes some of the same members and who did the NBA theme song a few years ago. I dont' think they meet the same widespread popularity or recognition as BEP though.
ETA: You probably also toss in Jay-Z who did a collaboration album with LP and get a decent show.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:18:08 GMT -5
Christina, Whitney and Mariah all have very dated styles. Christina might be able to pull it out - but Whitney and Mariah will never be relevant again. The really bad warbeling is a fad past - thank god!
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:26:26 GMT -5
Why not go country? It is a pretty generic genre with some nice appealing stars, and some old familiar faces. It seems like they do enough "Rock, flag and eagle" commercials that the NFL must attrack a decent amount of country music lovers.
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Post by michelyn8 on Feb 7, 2011 16:27:38 GMT -5
I'm hard-pressed to think of any rock band who could have fit this year's bill. Traditionally you kind of want that U2, GNR, Aerosmith sound. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=fun&thread=2998&page=3#ixzz1DJIOhhhn3 Doors Down, Nickelback, Shinedown...............along those lines are the ones that come to mind for me if you're looking for the "modern" arena rock sound. And those three (and other bands like them) are "tame" enough for the older crowd while still appealing to the younger one. They have more of a cross-generational appeal than a group like BEP. I think the fact that its so hard to heard the lyrics over the background in Hip Hop is one of the main reasons I have always disliked the majority of it. Once in a while I hear a song I like but its rare. Exactly, it's the halftime show, not the halftime concert. So people shouldn't expect it to be as good as a concert. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fun&action=post&thread=2998&page=3#ixzz1DJKM2q3zUnfortunately, most of the acts they book aren't really good at the "show" part and in this format, the strength of their music isn't enough.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:31:42 GMT -5
I don't think those bands had great broad appeal when they were big. And they were big 5 years ago. Is 3 Doors Down even still together? I know Nickelback is still releasing stuff - but is it really going anywhere? They aren't bands that will unite generations. They are bands where older people say "Who?" and younger people say "Who cares?" and that little slice of people between 25 and 35 years old says "Oh, I love this song."
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 16:33:34 GMT -5
Why not go country? It is a pretty generic genre with some nice appealing stars, and some old familiar faces. It seems like they do enough "Rock, flag and eagle" commercials that the NFL must attrack a decent amount of country music lovers. I think the question is who do you get? You need someone relevant enough to keep people tuned in. My first instinct is that it's a tougher sell now that country seems to have so many names rather than that one big crossover star. I think a couple years ago you could have pulled off Tim McGraw and Faith Hill plus a couple others. As a non-country fan I think you'd want someone that I recognized at least a song or two. My first thoughts would be like Taylor Swift as the headliner. Problem is I'm not sure many of the guys watching the game really care to see Taylor Swift in concert.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 16:36:25 GMT -5
I don't think those bands had great broad appeal when they were big. And they were big 5 years ago. Is 3 Doors Down even still together? I know Nickelback is still releasing stuff - but is it really going anywhere? They aren't bands that will unite generations. They are bands where older people say "Who?" and younger people say "Who cares?" and that little slice of people between 25 and 35 years old says "Oh, I love this song." That's exactly the problem. None of those bands are big enough names by themselves to carry the headliner of "who's playing halftime this year?" That's why we keep getting bands 20 years past their prime, at least people know who they are. I dont' think older bands like Bon Jovi or something would be bad, The Who just went a little too far back.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:37:28 GMT -5
Taylor Swift is pretty hot. I wouldn't think most men would find her offensive. And all the younger girls would probably flock to watch.
Most true football fans couldn't give a rats-back-side what they do during half time. They all go to the bathroom, and get a plate of food and another beer. You could parade the tele-tubbies around and big-time football fans aren't going to change the channel, or protest, or even comment on it the next day. They know that half-time is just a bunch of losers that are trying to steal a piece of the limelight.
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Post by Loopdilou on Feb 7, 2011 16:43:23 GMT -5
Here's the problem - none of those people put on SHOWS! They do concerts. Big difference Peas were great, it was the sound system that sucked. The balance was painful.
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Post by michelyn8 on Feb 7, 2011 16:52:50 GMT -5
Today at 4:31pm, thyme4change wrote: Quote: 3 Doors Down, Nickelback, Shinedown I don't think those bands had great broad appeal when they were big. And they were big 5 years ago. Is 3 Doors Down even still together? I know Nickelback is still releasing stuff - but is it really going anywhere? They aren't bands that will unite generations. They are bands where older people say "Who?" and younger people say "Who cares?" and that little slice of people between 25 and 35 years old says "Oh, I love this song." That's exactly the problem. None of those bands are big enough names by themselves to carry the headliner of "who's playing halftime this year?" That's why we keep getting bands 20 years past their prime, at least people know who they are. I dont' think older bands like Bon Jovi or something would be bad, The Who just went a little too far back. Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fun&action=display&thread=2998&page=3#ixzz1DJPJEUYDI was thinking more along the lines of "sound" but I agree its got to be tough to strike the right balance. I'm not even sure Bon Jovi could do it anymore. And most of the "older" bands of the last 20 years aren't even together anymore (or even on speaking terms) so who does that really leave? But I also don't think the Peas are really big enough to have carried it. And really, what has Usher or Slash done in the last 2-3 years? Granted, I'm not a Hip Hop listener so if Usher has been doing something, I wouldn't know unless I caught a video while I was flipping channels. As for the country artists - Faith and Tim were over exposed a few years back seemed to become to full of themselves and Taylor Swift, while talented, is getting to the point of over exposure. In any case, there is no way to please everyone but I think we can all be grateful we didn't get another Aerosmith/Brittany Spears/N'Sync debacle.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 16:54:41 GMT -5
If we want a "show" and we know the stage and sound system are going to suck (because after all - it is in a football stadium - even when they do concerts there, the sound usually sucks) why not do something that is more visual and less focused on the musical performance? Why not do a show that is more like the opening ceremony of the Olympics - but of course, only 10 minutes long and not nearly as elaborate. Why not have 200 dancers flood the field? Why not have hip-hop dancers and flying acrobats and girls in short-shorts doing that hip-thing that is all the rage right now?
But, no, we march drearily into a no-win situation. There is no way they can get a musical act that will please the vast array of people that watch the superbowl.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 16:58:05 GMT -5
If we want a "show" and we know the stage and sound system are going to suck (because after all - it is in a football stadium - even when they do concerts there, the sound usually sucks) why not do something that is more visual and less focused on the musical performance? Why not do a show that is more like the opening ceremony of the Olympics - but of course, only 10 minutes long and not nearly as elaborate. Why not have 200 dancers flood the field? Why not have hip-hop dancers and flying acrobats and girls in short-shorts doing that hip-thing that is all the rage right now? But, no, we march drearily into a no-win situation. There is no way they can get a musical act that will please the vast array of people that watch the superbowl. Because you need a name to promote. I think something like halftime being Cirque de Soleil could work. That only takes up 1 year though.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 17:01:15 GMT -5
I sound old because I'm sick of the same old complaint every year. If the band is younger, they are bashed. If the band is older, they are bashed. Really - why keep doing the same thing and hoping to get different results.
The only logical explaination is that the NFL doesn't give a crap. We all bought the goods - it doesn't really matter what they do at the half time, as long as we don't see another nipple. If they do actually care, I would love to hear their behind-closed-doors discussion on what they are trying to accomplish. Do they have a target audience? How do they measure their success?
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 7, 2011 17:06:39 GMT -5
I sound old because I'm sick of the same old complaint every year. If the band is younger, they are bashed. If the band is older, they are bashed. Really - why keep doing the same thing and hoping to get different results. The only logical explaination is that the NFL doesn't give a crap. We all bought the goods - it doesn't really matter what they do at the half time, as long as we don't see another nipple. If they do actually care, I would love to hear their behind-closed-doors discussion on what they are trying to accomplish. Do they have a target audience? How do they measure their success? My guess on what they are tryign to accomplish: Get someone who won't make people change the station during our 45 minute halftime in order to watch some other station that's doing a special halftime edition of some show. Which in turn gives them an extra X minutes of halftime commercials that they can charge premium prices for rather than discounting their halftime commercial rates. And I think this year in particular was an apologetic nod to the fact that they picked a band 50 years too old last year and wanted to make an effort to show they weren't completely out of touch with "cool". I expect we'll get someone "current" maybe once every 5 years, which I think is ok. I kind of like halftime as an oldie rocker gig with flashing lights and such. I think they just realized what a colossal mistake they made last year and all the comments about it.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 7, 2011 17:06:40 GMT -5
I think they should have a stand-up comedian come out and tell jokes.
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