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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 22:30:12 GMT -5
Dang, vonnie-- I exalted someone a while ago, or that high 5 would have been an exalt.
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Post by steff on Feb 3, 2011 22:35:17 GMT -5
May be no Gods and Guns people near you when they come for you, you know.
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Post by marjar on Feb 3, 2011 22:36:30 GMT -5
Krickitt_ How many Muslims do you know?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 22:45:57 GMT -5
Krickitt_ How many Muslims do you know? Does it matter - a person can know what radical Islam is all about without knowing a Muslim - just like a person can know about the Klan without actually knowing a Klansman
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Post by lakhota on Feb 3, 2011 22:49:52 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wish someone had told my ancestors that when the Pilgrims arrived.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 22:52:57 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wish someone had told my ancestors that when the Pilgrims arrived. Hmmm - is this like pulling the race card
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2011 22:53:27 GMT -5
Sure it matters. The question was not if krickitt knew any radical muslims. Only if she knew any muslims.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all Klansmen are racists and bigots. Otherwise they wouldn't be Klansmen.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 22:56:17 GMT -5
Sure it matters. The question was not if krickitt knew any radical muslims. Only if she knew any muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all Klansmen are racists and bigots. Otherwise they wouldn't be Klansmen. No it doesn't matter - Krickett wasn't dissing all Muslim - nut she was not in favor of the Muslim Brother hood
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2011 22:56:40 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wish someone had told my ancestors that when the Pilgrims arrived. Hmmm - is this like pulling the race card Many of Lakhota's ancestors were wiped out by Europeans taking over of their lands. I hardly think that is pulling the race card. Lakhota-sorry for speaking up for you.
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Post by marjar on Feb 3, 2011 23:01:48 GMT -5
Krickitt_ How many Muslims do you know? Does it matter - a person can know what radical Islam is all about without knowing a Muslim - just like a person can know about the Klan without actually knowing a Klansman Football fan?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:02:57 GMT -5
Hmmm - is this like pulling the race card Many of Lakhota's ancestors were wiped out by Europeans taking over of their lands. I hardly think that is pulling the race card. Lakhota-sorry for speaking up for you. It is pulling the race card - no one on this board was here then and no one on this board had anything to do with what happened then - just like slavery - it was wrong but we were not a part of it, we can not change it and not everyone alive then was in agreement Anyone that criticizes Muslim gets immediately corrected that Not all Muslims are a problem, that many Muslims are peaceful Well it was the same way back in the old days and I am not responsible for what an ancestor that I never met did or did not do - and I refuse to feel guilty or apologize for it. I can only control what I do and how I treat people - and for that matter animals
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:04:05 GMT -5
Does it matter - a person can know what radical Islam is all about without knowing a Muslim - just like a person can know about the Klan without actually knowing a Klansman Football fan? Me - not usually but I got to be pulling for the Packers come Sunday
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 23:11:57 GMT -5
Hey-- I love Indians, I am part Indian, I never did one thing to them, or to any black person, or Asian, or Arab, or Jew, my kids married Mexican Americans, I have half Mexican American ( we call people like that AMERICANS in MY family!!), adorable grandbaibies that I love to death-- don't try to lay your garbage on ME!! Stay in reality here. Reality changes over time. Time right now is telling us that our enemy is radical Islam. If you can find anything to prove that is not true-- mod squad-- you know who you are-- BRING IT ON.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2011 23:19:14 GMT -5
Many of Lakhota's ancestors were wiped out by Europeans taking over of their lands. I hardly think that is pulling the race card. Lakhota-sorry for speaking up for you. It is pulling the race card - no one on this board was here then and no one on this board had anything to do with what happened then - just like slavery - it was wrong but we were not a part of it, we can not change it and not everyone alive then was in agreement Anyone that criticizes Muslim gets immediately corrected that Not all Muslims are a problem, that many Muslims are peaceful Well it was the same way back in the old days and I am not responsible for what an ancestor that I never met did or did not do - and I refuse to feel guilty or apologize for it. I can only control what I do and how I treat people - and for that matter animals Vonnie-I am taken somewhat aback! Not sure where all your comments are coming from. No one is blaming you for anything. Lakhota made a comment to krickitt and all of a sudden your are on the defense about not feeling guilty about slavery or the slaughter of American Indians or apologizing for it. No one on this board has asked you to.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 23:19:50 GMT -5
Many of Lakhota's ancestors were wiped out by Europeans taking over of their lands. I hardly think that is pulling the race card. Lakhota-sorry for speaking up for you. It is pulling the race card - no one on this board was here then and no one on this board had anything to do with what happened then - just like slavery - it was wrong but we were not a part of it, we can not change it and not everyone alive then was in agreement Anyone that criticizes Muslim gets immediately corrected that Not all Muslims are a problem, that many Muslims are peaceful Well it was the same way back in the old days and I am not responsible for what an ancestor that I never met did or did not do - and I refuse to feel guilty or apologize for it. I can only control what I do and how I treat people - and for that matter animals We may not have been here and part of it but it's part of our history , as is Concord, Lexington, Breeds Hill..Valley Forge, Gettysburg..our legacy, not to be pushed aside or forgotten. The concentration of Japanese Americans, forced sale and removal from their homes, 200,000 of them and forced , by rifle and bayonets, to go to the camps. Indian Knee is as much a part of our history, heritage as the fort in Baltimore where the "Star Spangled Banner " verse was written..both are our legacy. We didn't have to be there or part of that time.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2011 23:22:13 GMT -5
Hey-- I love Indians, I am part Indian, I never did one thing to them, or to any black person, or Asian, or Arab, or Jew, my kids married Mexican Americans, I have half Mexican American ( we call people like that AMERICANS in MY family!!), adorable grandbaibies that I love to death-- don't try to lay your garbage on ME!! Stay in reality here. Reality changes over time. Time right now is telling us that our enemy is radical Islam. If you can find anything to prove that is not true-- mod squad-- you know who you are-- BRING IT ON. krickitt-I don't understand. Who is the Mod Squad? If you know who the mod squad is, why not say their names? They otherwise might not know they are the mod squad.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:28:09 GMT -5
It is pulling the race card - no one on this board was here then and no one on this board had anything to do with what happened then - just like slavery - it was wrong but we were not a part of it, we can not change it and not everyone alive then was in agreement Anyone that criticizes Muslim gets immediately corrected that Not all Muslims are a problem, that many Muslims are peaceful Well it was the same way back in the old days and I am not responsible for what an ancestor that I never met did or did not do - and I refuse to feel guilty or apologize for it. I can only control what I do and how I treat people - and for that matter animals Vonnie-I am taken somewhat aback! Not sure where all your comments are coming from. No one is blaming you for anything. Lakhota made a comment to krickitt and all of a sudden your are on the defense about not feeling guilty about slavery or the slaughter of American Indians or apologizing for it. No one on this board has asked you to. Lakhota said that his ancestors were abused by Krickett's ancestors - which would also be my heritage - and therefore indicated that her comment on not associating with people that kill was a bit hypocritical I have heard this same argument too many times with the result being that I should feel guilty for the past and be fine with income redistribution or reparations - and I just don't - so I spoke up. Maybe a bit too forcefully
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2011 23:32:20 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wish someone had told my ancestors that when the Pilgrims arrived. Vonnie-the above is what Lakhota said (unless I am missing something). Lakhota also blamed me but I simply didn't take offense at his remark. I didn't take it personally.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:35:18 GMT -5
Hmmm... I wish someone had told my ancestors that when the Pilgrims arrived. Vonnie-the above is what Lakhota said (unless I am missing something). Lakhota also blamed me but I simply didn't take offense at his remark. I didn't take it personally. Well maybe I over reacted and if I did I apologize - I read this as an unfair attack on Krickett for stating an opinion that I agree with
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 3, 2011 23:37:28 GMT -5
Remember-this is a message board and things will be posted that we do disagree with. Goodness knows I disagree with just about everything.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 23:41:27 GMT -5
Pearl Harbor was a attack on our homeland by the Imperial Government of Japan. The removal of the Japanese Americans to these camps, the removal from their homes and thus their loss and their businesses , thus the loss of, was a act against American citizens , who had the same rights as I and all American citizens, just because they were of the same race as those who attacked us, yet the Germans and Italians , and the Germans up to 1941, had a active American Bund with millions of German citizens belonging to it, attending meetings, camps, marching , preaching racial hatred and violence against the rest of the world and supporting Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, but they kept their homes, businesses. All part of our history and heritage.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:41:28 GMT -5
Remember-this is a message board and things will be posted that we do disagree with. Goodness knows I disagree with just about everything. Yep - and I like the ability to say what I think - I really do try to do so without being disrespectful to other posters - however after rereading a message sometimes the message reads a bit different than intended In other words, I try to say what I think without flaming anyone
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Post by vonnie6200 on Feb 3, 2011 23:43:05 GMT -5
Pearl Harbor was a attack on our homeland by the Imperial Government of Japan. The removal of the Japanese Americans to these camps, the removal from their homes and thus their loss and their businesses , thus the loss of, was a act against American citizens , who had the same rights as I and all American citizens, just because they were of the same race as those who attacked us, yet the Germans and Italians , and the Germans up to 1941, had a active American Bund with millions of German citizens belonging to it, attending meetings, camps, marching , preaching racial hatred and violence against the rest of the world and supporting Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, but they kept their homes, businesses. All part of our history and heritage. And I have always believed that we - as a country - learned a valuable lesson from that
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 3, 2011 23:53:14 GMT -5
Internment happened under both FDR and Wilson
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 23:53:22 GMT -5
Pearl Harbor was a attack on our homeland by the Imperial Government of Japan. The removal of the Japanese Americans to these camps, the removal from their homes and thus their loss and their businesses , thus the loss of, was a act against American citizens , who had the same rights as I and all American citizens, just because they were of the same race as those who attacked us, yet the Germans and Italians , and the Germans up to 1941, had a active American Bund with millions of German citizens belonging to it, attending meetings, camps, marching , preaching racial hatred and violence against the rest of the world and supporting Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, but they kept their homes, businesses. All part of our history and heritage. And I have always believed that we - as a country - learned a valuable lesson from that I like to think that too, however, while a bit different , to me more of the same, just a new modern 21st century twist to it, the feeling of so many Americans toward fellow citizens who just happen to have the religious belief of the Muslims faith, and some practice the habit of wearing the clothes of that faith. The Orthodox Jews to wear the yarmulke, some even the fringes on their clothes that's a commandment , that's accepted, but the woman who might go covered , that's looked at suspiciously, so I wonder how much of a lesson we have learned. The negative association of two events triggering a reaction by the American public toward a group of their citizens, Pearl harbor, 9/11, lessons learned, I wonder.
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Post by lakhota on Feb 4, 2011 2:57:36 GMT -5
Don't be sorry. I appreciate the support. Thank you.
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 4, 2011 6:44:25 GMT -5
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MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
Fallout from a post-Mubarak Egypt is difficult to predict and past and present U.S. counter-terrorism officials conditioned their comments with warnings that the situation could quickly change and have unforeseen impact on the region.
One former U.S. official said that al Qaeda might respond with an attack somewhere -- "probably not in Egypt" -- in order to reclaim the spotlight.
Mubarak warned on Thursday that if he stepped down, Egypt would fall into chaos and the banned Islamist Muslim Brotherhood would take power. [ID:nN03242953]
Former U.S. counter-terrorism officials who spoke to Reuters noted that al Qaeda disliked the Muslim Brotherhood and its political ambitions.
"Democracy is not a friend of (al Qaeda's) extreme bent of Islamism," the former U.S. counter-terrorism official said, declining to be named.
Another former counter-terrorism official noted that the nuts-and-bolts of counter-terrorism work could endure an increased role of the Muslim Brotherhood.
"I would just observe that counter-terrorism cooperation between police, security and intelligence services has shown its ability to survive a lot of differences at the political level," the former official said.
One of the big unanswered questions is whether toppling Mubarak would empower peaceful, democratic protesters elsewhere or deepen chaos in countries like Yemen, where a resurgent al Qaeda wing is only one of its many problems.
Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh has offered to step down in 2013 but protests continue. [ID:nLDE7120GU]
"I would be watchful for this: How would counter-terrorism activities continue with a lot of political unrest in these countries?" another U.S. counter-terrorism official said.
(Editing by Mohammad Zargham)
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Post by upstatemom on Feb 4, 2011 7:25:40 GMT -5
If they think sharia law is ever going to work here , they understand nothing about American women! As an American Woman, I agree! I do not have daughters but I often compliment friends who are raising their daughters to be strong and independant!
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