Voter turnout

[Sam_2.0]

Nov 6, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

I don't care if a group wants to hand out absentee ballots, along with a stamp to mail it in...I don't care if groups want to give people rides, but I do have an issue with people with political motives waiting for a ballot to be filled out, collecting it, and then submitting them.

[tundrated]

I am guessing there will be decent turnout, but not as high as in 2008. People were scared in 2008 with the Financial crisis and were more motivated to vote.

[Angel!]

Nov 6, 2012 11:37:57 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Nov 6, 2012 11:24:58 GMT -5 Angel! said:

I don't see why not. When I dropped my ballot, they didn't request ID or anything. They check the validity of the ballot later, not when it is submitted. They wouldn't have cared if I collected them for the whole neighborhood & dropped them.

I suppose different states have different laws in this matter.

I can see why some people wouldn't have an issue with people, who have a political agenda, collecting and submitting multiple ballots...

The ballots would be sealed in an envelope with the persons name & info printed on it along with the signature.

So you would first need to pick up a new ballot, unless the person was stupid enough to fill theirs out in pencil. Then you would need to steam open the envelope without messing up the signature or anything else on the envelope. Not impossible at all, but difficult & a PITA.

I suppose you could say they might just throw away the ballot. But, then you can check online to verify your ballot has been received.

Or you could just opt not to give someone your ballot if you aren't comfortable with it. Either way it is legal to have someone else turn in your ballot. Whether or not it is a good idea, well who knows.

It would be quite the devious scheme (and probably a waste of time) for someone to go to registered dem houses while claiming to be an obama supporter in an attempt to get their ballot & change the vote. I would think the risk would be you talk more people into voting that may not have than manage to get ballots to change.

[billisonboard]

Nov 6, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

I don't care if a group wants to hand out absentee ballots, along with a stamp to mail it in...I don't care if groups want to give people rides, but I do have an issue with people with political motives waiting for a ballot to be filled out, collecting it, and then submitting them.

I have a problem with politically motivated people handing out absentee ballots. My ballot arrives by mail specifically for me with identifying information on the outer envelope. What is the difference between taking the body of the voter to the polling place, waiting while they vote, then taking them home and taking a ballot the person has filed out to the post office?

[Angel!]

Nov 6, 2012 11:55:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 6, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

I don't care if a group wants to hand out absentee ballots, along with a stamp to mail it in...I don't care if groups want to give people rides, but I do have an issue with people with political motives waiting for a ballot to be filled out, collecting it, and then submitting them.

I have a problem with politically motivated people handing out absentee ballots. My ballot arrives by mail specifically for me with identifying information on the outer envelope.

I don't see how they would hand out absentee ballots because of this. My ballot has my name & info also. Your vote wouldn't count without this in my state. Plus they check the signatures of the returned ballots & if it is your first time as an absentee voter you have to include a copy of your ID. You ballot is never even opened until they determine it is valid.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 6, 2012 11:55:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 6, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

I don't care if a group wants to hand out absentee ballots, along with a stamp to mail it in...I don't care if groups want to give people rides, but I do have an issue with people with political motives waiting for a ballot to be filled out, collecting it, and then submitting them.

I have a problem with politically motivated people handing out absentee ballots. My ballot arrives by mail specifically for me with identifying information on the outer envelope. What is the difference between taking the body of the voter to the polling place, waiting while they vote, then taking them home and taking a ballot the person has filed out to the post office?

What's the difference between giving a ride to people who may not make it to the polls otherwise to cast their vote in a secret ballot, vs. having somebody collect ballots and then physically taking them to cast a vote? There just is a difference, and I am tired of hearing about all the "missed votes" being found every election in the truck of somebody's car. Give the person a stamp and the forms, and then allow them to make the determination if it is worth their time to fill it out, take the stamp you gave them, and mail it. Next you will argue about those who are unable to mail their ballot themselves....which is simply trying a "gotcha argument" in an attempt to say since that is the case in very few cases, it should be ok for everybody. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on the issue of if politically motivated people from either party should be allowed to go to homes and take ballots.

[billisonboard]

Nov 6, 2012 12:12:34 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

... There just is a difference, ... We are just going to have to agree to disagree ....

I decline to agree to disagree on this one when your best argument is "just is".

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 6, 2012 12:20:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 6, 2012 12:12:34 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

... There just is a difference, ... We are just going to have to agree to disagree ....

I decline to agree to disagree on this one when your best argument is "just is".

You don't see a difference between going to an election site (it doesn't really matter how you got there unless you were bribed), going into a secret booth, monitored by election officials...vs. politically motivated people collecting ballots and turning them in. OTOH, I do see a difference...we are not going to agree on this issue.

[billisonboard]

Nov 6, 2012 12:23:29 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Nov 6, 2012 12:20:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I decline to agree to disagree on this one when your best argument is "just is".

You don't see a difference between going to an election site (it doesn't really matter how you got there unless you were bribed), going into a secret booth, monitored by election officials...vs. politically motivated people collecting ballots and turning them in. OTOH, I do see a difference...we are not going to agree on this issue.

Weak willed individuals will be taken advantage of in either situation.

[Angel!]

Nov 6, 2012 12:23:29 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Nov 6, 2012 12:20:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I decline to agree to disagree on this one when your best argument is "just is".

You don't see a difference between going to an election site (it doesn't really matter how you got there unless you were bribed), going into a secret booth, monitored by election officials...vs. politically motivated people collecting ballots and turning them in. OTOH, I do see a difference...we are not going to agree on this issue.

To be fair those giving rides are just as politically motivated. In this case, they are only going to registered democrats houses & offering rides. Sure you could vote for whoever you want, but if I handed them I ballot I still could have voted for whoever I wanted. Either way they are politically motivated, but ultimately I make the vote.

As far as stamps, when they were offering to take in ballots it was beyond the timeframe of when I could mail it & expect it to be received by the deadline. A stamp at that point would have been wasted.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 6, 2012 12:41:36 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Nov 6, 2012 12:23:29 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

You don't see a difference between going to an election site (it doesn't really matter how you got there unless you were bribed), going into a secret booth, monitored by election officials...vs. politically motivated people collecting ballots and turning them in. OTOH, I do see a difference...we are not going to agree on this issue.

To be fair those giving rides are just as politically motivated. In this case, they are only going to registered democrats houses & offering rides. Sure you could vote for whoever you want, but if I handed them I ballot I still could have voted for whoever I wanted. Either way they are politically motivated, but ultimately I make the vote.

As far as stamps, when they were offering to take in ballots it was beyond the timeframe of when I could mail it & expect it to be received by the deadline. A stamp at that point would have been wasted.

The main difference is that while those individuals are politically motivated, they are not ultimately responsible for what happens to the person's vote once it has been cast.

[kgb18]

So far the results from our local polling places (I'm in the Pittsburgh area) are very high voter turnout, especially for an election where we have very few local races. Some of our precincts have reported in with almost half the registered voters having turned out to vote already, and there's still many hours to go.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

I also can say there are limits to what poll workers can do in order to influence votes, there are not such laws that I am aware of for those collecting ballots (or what lies may be told to sway a person). I am not naive enough to think this does not happen on those giving rides,l but again once the vote is cast, those giving the ride have nothing to do with what happens to it.