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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 1, 2012 15:13:09 GMT -5
Must be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:15:31 GMT -5
If you legalize it, a % of people that never used it before can and would become regular users....some people are stickler for following the laws of the country and yes....if 10% of users do go on to harder drugs BECAUSE of mj smoking....that to me is enough to not legalize it, period. This logic doesn't really follow IMO. These people have never used MJ before because they are sticklers for the law, but all of a sudden a huge percentage will decide to move on to harder, illegal drugs? I also think making MJ legal will limit these people's ability to move on to harder drugs. If you aren't a previous drug user & start buying MJ OTC, then you have to go out of their way to find a crack dealer if you want to move on to hard stuff. Much more difficult than today where if your MJ guy doesn't sell coke you can pretty much guarantee he knows someone who does. more people will TRY it when and if it becomes legal....yes? some of those people who try it may become regular users...yes? a small % of regular users MAY then move on to harder drugs... if you disagree with any of those premises...that is fine.....but i believe they are logical...and that it is an issue that needs to be considered and why is no one talking about the younger kids? again...logically if more people are trying it and using it, it will become more prevalent in society, and more kids will end up with access to it
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Post by Angel! on Nov 1, 2012 15:18:40 GMT -5
I never said a link doesn't exist - I said a link has not been shown to exist. Ok, and you want to legalize it when we don't know for sure? I say it is time to try something new. We've tried having it illegal & that has been a royal fuck-up. It isn't working - people use it all the time & we can't regulate or tax it. I would definitely compare alcohol prohibition to marajuana laws today. During prohibition you could get a prescription from your doc for whiskey for medicinal use - you know to calm the nerves, kill the pain & whatnot. Sounds familiar to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:22:29 GMT -5
Brownsburg police confirm Monday that alcohol and marijuana were factors in a Brownsburg crash that killed one teenager and injured four others Saturday morning.
Police were called to the 6900 block of County Road 550 East just before 9 a.m. Saturday, after a Pontiac Grand Am crashed into a tree.
A truck driver has been charged with two felonies for allegedly smoking synthetic marijuana before causing a fiery nighttime crash that killed a central Minnesota truck driver last week on Interstate 94 in western Wisconsin.
According to a criminal complaint filed Friday in Dunn County, Wis., Destry D. Wilson, 22, of Redding, Calif., stopped his flatbed semi in the westbound driving lane of I-94 near Menomonie and was rear-ended by a second semi, which burst into flame.
20 seconds on google.....
i only pasted two paragraphs from each and there are hundred more on there
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Post by midjd on Nov 1, 2012 15:24:10 GMT -5
While 1 and 2 are possible, I don't see why or how a previously law-abiding citizen (which this person must be, if s/he was unwilling to smoke mj when it was illegal) is going to move to harder - illegal - drugs merely as a result of smoking mj. That assumption is illogical to me.
I know I'm not supposed to make the alcohol comparison, but I'd be interested to see how alcohol use increased/decreased post-Prohibition (or how marijuana use has increased/decreased in the states that have legalized it). I'd guess that usage didn't increase much. Most of the people who want to smoke marijuana probably will, regardless of its legality - only difference being if they're caught, and it's legal, they won't lose their job or use up taxpayer money sitting in a jail cell. Same during Prohibition - it wasn't impossible or even hard to get alcohol, you just ran the risk of criminal consequences.
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Post by Angel! on Nov 1, 2012 15:25:17 GMT -5
more people will TRY it when and if it becomes legal....yes? My guess is no, maybe a really small number. But considering something like 70% of adults have tried it, I think most people know what it is about & won't run out to buy some the minute it is legal. Since I'm arguing most have already tried it, then no. I do think more people will become occassional users - a few times a year when they previously didn't smoke regularly. But these are people who have smoked before & didn't become addicts the first time or move on to harder drugs. No reason to think it would happen differently just because it is now legal. Again, I'm going to argue no. People who move on to harder drugs tend to be addicts that seek a bigger high. It is very unlikely these people made it into adulthood without ever getting hooked & then a single puff of marijuana sends them into a downward spiral. Kids have access to it now. If they want some it is really easy to get. I don't see this changing that much.
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Post by Angel! on Nov 1, 2012 15:27:47 GMT -5
Brownsburg police confirm Monday that alcohol and marijuana were factors in a Brownsburg crash that killed one teenager and injured four others Saturday morning. Police were called to the 6900 block of County Road 550 East just before 9 a.m. Saturday, after a Pontiac Grand Am crashed into a tree. A truck driver has been charged with two felonies for allegedly smoking synthetic marijuana before causing a fiery nighttime crash that killed a central Minnesota truck driver last week on Interstate 94 in western Wisconsin. According to a criminal complaint filed Friday in Dunn County, Wis., Destry D. Wilson, 22, of Redding, Calif., stopped his flatbed semi in the westbound driving lane of I-94 near Menomonie and was rear-ended by a second semi, which burst into flame. 20 seconds on google..... i only pasted two paragraphs from each and there are hundred more on there Just want to point out that alcohol + marijuana is significantly different than marijuana alone. Also want to point out that depending on the kind, synthetic marijuana is actually legal. Not saying your point is wrong, but the 2 cases you pulled out didn't actually need illegal marijuana to have occured.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:30:03 GMT -5
I don't smoke, but I think it's totally idiotic that weed is illegal.
Seriously, I would MUCH, MUCH rather be around a stoned person than a drunk one any freaking day of the week. Alcohol is way more addictive, often causes violent behavior, causes tons of deaths by overdose and drunk driving and yet it's perfectly acceptable in our society. I really don't get it. Stoners aren't violent, they just want to lay around and eat Doritos. They are the most paranoid hyper-careful drivers around and how many people die from a marijuana overdose? Um...none that I know of.
Now kids are being hospitalized and are dying from the synthetic crap going around that is (well was) perfectly legal. Soon they'll find something even more dangerous.
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Post by midjd on Nov 1, 2012 15:31:05 GMT -5
Synthetic marijuana is a completely different substance from actual marijuana (and much more harmful). That's like copy/pasting a case in which someone crashed his car while high on meth and saying it proves marijuana is bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:37:01 GMT -5
okay.....
you believe what you want to.....
but i want you to think about this.....
ok...you say 70% of adults have tried it.....i think that % is a little high....i would have thought more like 50-60% but okay, we will use 70%
what % of 10 year olds will TRY it between now and age of 20 if it is legalized?
if you think the number is the same, you are kidding yourself.....and that means what to you? is that a good thing? think ahead.....what are the problems that could result from this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:39:49 GMT -5
A truck driver has been charged with two felonies for allegedly smoking synthetic marijuana before causing a fiery nighttime crash that killed a central Minnesota truck driver last week on Interstate 94 in western Wisconsin.
Synthetic marijuana is NOTHING like the real stuff. It is horrible, horrible horrible.
My husband used to be big into weed. He gave it up when we got married because he didn't want to be doing anything illegal now that he was a family man, but decided to give the legal stuff at the tobacco store a try as a compromise. In 3 months our whole lives fell apart. This guy who was a casual marijuana user for 20 some years before this lost all control. He became addicted, it left him totally messed up all the time, he started stealing things of mine to get more money for it, he couldn't function properly and lost his job of 5 years. In the next 6 months he lost 3 more and was having paranoid anxiety attacks all the time. I had to kick him out of the house when I was still on maternity leave with our baby and he lived in a car and with friends. Finally he was able to kick it and came home.
I know what he was like when he smoked weed. Just him, only a little more mellow. On the synthetic he was just crazy messed up, irrational. Totally bizarre behavior.
I would never compare the two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:41:46 GMT -5
i googled marijuana and fatal crashes
i wasnt looking at anything else
there are HUNDREDS of listings
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:42:22 GMT -5
i googled marijuana and fatal crashes i wasnt looking at anything else there are HUNDREDS of listings I'll bet most also include alcohol.
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Post by midjd on Nov 1, 2012 15:43:04 GMT -5
Unless it's legalized for 10-year-olds, probably the same amount who try it now. I don't know how long it's been since you were in elementary/middle school, but it's not hard to get. Alcohol and cigarettes are much harder to come by for younger kids.
And lest I be branded a pothead, I'm as straitlaced as they come. I don't smoke, and I didn't even drink alcohol until my 21st birthday. But even a square like me could've given you the names of at least 5 people who could hook you up with illegal drugs when I was in junior high or high school.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:49:33 GMT -5
i googled marijuana and fatal crashes i wasnt looking at anything else there are HUNDREDS of listings I'll bet most also include alcohol. Actually all you have to do is google fatal crash period and you'll get a lot more than hundreds. Many with no substance use whatsoever. Someone just swerved into oncoming traffic, fell asleep at the wheel, picked up their kid's pacifier...whatever. Just because after the fact it was found that someone had THC in their system doesn't mean that's what caused the crash.
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Post by midjd on Nov 1, 2012 15:52:12 GMT -5
The number of Google hits you get when you search a term is probably not the most reliable indicator of the proportion of actual incidents.
I googled "number of zombie attacks in the US since 2001" and got 120,000,000 hits.
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Post by Angel! on Nov 1, 2012 15:53:58 GMT -5
Unless it's legalized for 10-year-olds, probably the same amount who try it now. I don't know how long it's been since you were in elementary/middle school, but it's not hard to get. Alcohol and cigarettes are much harder to come by for younger kids. And lest I be branded a pothead, I'm as straitlaced as they come. I don't smoke, and I didn't even drink alcohol until my 21st birthday. But even a square like me could've given you the names of at least 5 people who could hook you up with illegal drugs when I was in junior high or high school. I agree. I don't see a significant change in people trying it while young. It is not hard to get now. And if we are worried about kids - what about the impact on kids who watch their parents smoke & break the law today. I think it would be much better for those kids if their parents had a legal habit rather than losing respect for following the law. I'll also point out I don't smoke the stuff. I've tried it twice, hated it & have no interest in smoking again. So I'm not what you would call a pothead with an agenda either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:54:09 GMT -5
The number of Google hits you get when you search a term is probably not the most reliable indicator of the proportion of actual incidents. I googled "number of zombie attacks in the US since 2001" and got 120,000,000 hits. Holy crap, it's worse than I thought!
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 2, 2012 0:37:04 GMT -5
If it would help some people with OD-ing I'm all for it!!!! Just sayin! You can't OD on pot. Sorry.
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