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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Oct 10, 2012 0:41:03 GMT -5
So glad I didn't go to bed. Blips? You're saying that the Long Depression from 1876-1911 and the Great Depression of the 1930's-1940's were blips? he was referring to wages. yes, blips. The reason I think you're missing the point is because a few of us have tried to explain to you that the theme of the video seems to be tax the rich, that is the solution. i disagree that this is what the video says. but even if i WERE to agree, i disagree that it is saying tax the rich and give to the poor. instead, what he is saying, if you listen carefully, is tax the rich to pay for projects that help the rich, like infrastructure. you know- stuff that is actually part of what we expect from government? i am fully behind that, btw. i would rather we spend $250M per year building highways, parks, and reclaiming land than rebuilding Afghanistan. wouldn't you? I would rather the govt not create debt to do something that the ultra rich could be doing with their money, and did do before the new deal and the great society. Back to the Giving Pledge( givingpledge.org/) again aka "Welfare Capitalism". I wrote this and sent it to them tonight..... I had a long day, so I'm going to turn in. Hope you and others like it Dj. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) I signed my real name to the one I sent to them. I guess we will see where this goes from here. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 10, 2012 14:28:33 GMT -5
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Oct 10, 2012 14:29:21 GMT -5
Anyone catch Steve Wynn unloading on Obama? Whoa. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Link to a video? Youtube? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Oct 10, 2012 14:31:17 GMT -5
www.newsmax.com/US/wynn-casino-obama-jobs/2012/10/10/id/459403Casino Mogul Wynn: Obama Has Failed Miserably on Jobs, Deficit Casino mogul Steve Wynn voted for President Barack Obama in 2008, but is disgusted with his performance in office. Obama inherited huge economic problems, but he erred by not focusing on jobs and the budget deficit, the Wynn Resorts CEO told KSNV TV in Las Vegas. As for the deficit, Obama showed a clear understanding of the problem when running for office, Wynn says. But then Obama did nothing to solve it after he was elected, exacerbating our woes. On the employment front, “the only thing screaming across the sky was jobs,” when Obama took office, Wynn says. “We were headed for huge unemployment. There wasn’t anything more stark than the need to focus on jobs.” Healthcare should have been priority number 10, Wynn says. “Obama turned his back on the No. 1 priority.” Wynn knows something about job creation. “I've created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs . . . That's exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I'll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I'm a job creator. Guys like me are job creators, and we don't like having a bulls-eye painted on our back.” Obama is playing class warfare by “deprecating and calling a group that makes money 'billionaires and millionaires who don't pay their share,'” Wynn said. “I gave 120 percent of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can't stand the idea of being put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn't even understand how the economy works.”
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 10, 2012 14:54:21 GMT -5
"I'll be damned if I'm gonna have [Obama] Lecture me on job creation..."
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 10, 2012 15:12:42 GMT -5
Winn has been unloading on Obama for four years. no news here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 10, 2012 15:14:13 GMT -5
Wynn knows something about job creation. “I've created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs . . . That's exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I'll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I'm a job creator. no, you're not. demand created the jobs, and you capitalized on it. bully for you, but you are not God, Steve.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2012 15:46:11 GMT -5
... The national graduation rate increased to 75.5 percent in 2009, ... For a historical perspective: Completion rates peaked in 1969, with 77 percent of that high school class earning diplomas. www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/06/10/34swanson.h29.html So we are close to the all time record for high school graduation. But a high school diploma is NO longer good enough It was fine through most of the 70's....but as factories were shipped overseas, and automation replaced workers, the need for skills increased That can be education, or technical skills But a high school education will lead you to a life of poverty as the way things stand now....with a few small exceptions To get to the middle class incomes, you must have more in "most" cases
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Oct 10, 2012 15:54:31 GMT -5
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Post by dumdeedoe on Oct 10, 2012 19:16:39 GMT -5
www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htmThese unemployment numbers are for sept 2012 No education: 10.4% High school grad: 8.2% some college or 2 year degree: 6.5% 4 year degree or higher 4.0% So I would have to say that parents are looking after their child's best interest when they push them to school. And basically if manufacturing is having trouble filling positions out of the highest percent of unemployed then I guess we don't have a employment problem in the US.. Obama must have solved the problem.... What is funny in that article is that it says that the manufacturing skills gap is because parents are sending their kids to college.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_InstituteThe American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is an American conservative think tank founded in 1943. Its stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".AEI is an independent nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C. Some AEI scholars are considered to be some of the leading architects of the second Bush administration's public policy. Why would AEI be pushing bloomburg articles?
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 10, 2012 22:49:21 GMT -5
Steve Wynn- ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/1-1.gif) AEI? Who's next- Trump?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 9:23:05 GMT -5
Exactly....trade schools to get the basic skills needed in today's manufacturing sector But again...it is MORE than high school....but with these skills you are started @ 18hr and a quick run to a decent middle class lifestyle Instead of "you want fries with that?"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 11, 2012 9:38:21 GMT -5
When I confidently declare that the economy is going to take off like a rocket the nano second Romney becomes the President elect, this is what I'm talking about: Wynn on a scrapped business plan: "I'm afraid of the president. I have no idea what goofy idea, what crazy, anti-business program this administration will come up. I have no idea. And I have to tell you Jon that every business guy I know in the country is frightened of Barack Obama and the way he thinks." That sums up my feelings, and it sums up the feeling of everyone I know-- AND it's backed up by other data so we can be sure the sentiment expressed here is more than anecdotal: video.foxbusiness.com/v/1888984195001/small-companies-not-hiring-or-expanding/
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 11, 2012 9:48:15 GMT -5
Not enough kids are going into trade schools. There is a very real phenomenon nicknamed "the graying of the trades". It means that the work force is getting older, and is not being replaced in adequate numbers. In the future this will obviously drive up the cost of labor as it becomes more scarce. The recession has not helped in this regard. Many of the older workers who were laid off will not be coming back. We do look for a skill set and also aptitude when we hire. The applicant does not need to have gone to trade school, but I usually do require experience at least. Rarely, when we might have a lot of simple and repetitive work ahead I consider someone with no experience who we can train. It also is a slightly different skillset depending on whether they will be fabricating or installing. It's a shame, too- because a lot of kids think of the "trades" as not where the smart people go. They think of the trades as unskilled work. Fact is some of the brightest people I know are in the trades. Many of the general contractors I work with are engineers, a handful have advanced degrees- and money? They're doing pretty well. A guy I know does property inspection and brings in $2K to $5K a day working until about 2 to 4 pm every day. Staff of two.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 11, 2012 20:35:15 GMT -5
Not enough kids are going into trade schools. ... ... Many of the older workers who were laid off will not be coming back. ... So older trade workers are being laid off and kids aren't going to school to be trained in the trades from which workers are being laid off. Sounds like a good decision to me. Not enough kids are going into trade schools. .... It's a shame, too- because a lot of kids think of the "trades" as not where the smart people go. They think of the trades as unskilled work. Fact is some of the brightest people I know are in the trades. Many of the general contractors I work with are engineers, a handful have advanced degrees ... So it is a shame that kids don't go to trade schools, instead they become engineers and some even get advanced degrees? I think I am confused.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 11, 2012 21:28:28 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Let's stick to discussing the subject matter and avoid discussing other posters. Cut it out with the name-calling.
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Post by b2r on Oct 11, 2012 22:09:14 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Quoted a post that has been deleted. If it offended you so, why did you copy it?
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Post by Opti on Oct 11, 2012 22:09:17 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Pleeeeeze, do not quote insults!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 11, 2012 23:28:10 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Quoted a post that has been deleted ... again.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Oct 11, 2012 23:39:13 GMT -5
Innovation creates jobs by creating what people will buy. Most people I know will look for the cheapest product to suit their wants/needs. It is interesting to me when people complain about a product costing too much, but then complain that the companies should pay more so that workers could afford more products. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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Post by b2r on Oct 12, 2012 0:15:03 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Quoted a post that has been deleted. If it offended you so, why did you copy it? It did not offend me. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 12, 2012 0:21:03 GMT -5
I didn't figure it did. You're pretty transparent, b2r.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Oct 12, 2012 1:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by Don Perignon on Oct 12, 2012 1:57:26 GMT -5
Without the wealthy and powerful there would be no work for toadies and minions!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 7:49:01 GMT -5
Without the wealthy and powerful there would be no work for toadies and minions! The truly wealthy only have power over those who aspire to be like them.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 12, 2012 7:56:24 GMT -5
Without the wealthy and powerful there would be no work for toadies and minions! The truly wealthy only have power over those who aspire to be like them. So... they have power over everybody who desires true wealth? That leaves what? Hippies? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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Post by Don Perignon on Oct 12, 2012 15:39:59 GMT -5
We owe a debt of gratitude to the overlords who keep all those toadies and minions employed and off public assistance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 12, 2012 15:44:11 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Let's stick to discussing the subject matter and avoid discussing other posters. Cut it out with the name-calling. i never start these things, but i am not just going to sit back and take it, either.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 12, 2012 16:29:09 GMT -5
I don't really care if business owners create jobs or not when you get right down to it. To me, the fundamental principle is that it's THEIR MONEY. The only legitimate purpose of government is to defend the rights of the individual from the use of force by other individuals, from the tyranny of the majority, and to defend the territorial integrity of the country. It's not to invest in banks, car companies, and green energy. It isn't to say whether or not, or how we can use our property. It isn't to "equalize" the outcome by taking money from those that earn more and giving it to those that earn less. The government's arbitrary definition of "need" does not confer on the one allegedly in "need" a right to the product of another person's labor.
So, while it is true that taxing diligent work and using the proceeds to subsidize sloth is counterproductive-- it makes no difference to me that free market capitalism unfettered by gross over-taxation, and over-regulation produces better results than government trying to tinker with the market to even out outcomes, my primary concern is the moral and philosophical principle that money belongs to those who earn and and create it; and government's only legitimate function is actually to protect our lives and property- not to be worried about those who aren't as proficient in managing their time, talent, and other resources to produce a better outcome.
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