Pouring Gasoline on the Muslim Fire

[zibazinski]

I'd be glad to get the hell out of those cesspools they call countries and let them all kill each other.

[Deleted]

Yeah, why are we there? They aren't going to change their ways? Get out and then if they stir up trouble, go in and drop some bombs. The bad things is that millions of women and children have to suffer under that kind of brutality.

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2012 5:24:48 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

A terrible idea, or a good one?

Bit of a gamble. I presume it is their attitudes which compel their behaviour, in which case it is their attitudes that need to be addressed; there is an inherent intolerance in the belief system that insists upon itself as being the only right path. Taken to an extreme, as it is in the case of fundamentalism, this naturally results in madness.

Imo the idea that it might be possible to wear them down direly underestimates the zeal with which such beliefs are held.

[cereb]

Sept 22, 2012 8:45:45 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Sept 22, 2012 5:24:48 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

A terrible idea, or a good one?

Bit of a gamble. I presume it is their attitudes which compel their behaviour, in which case it is their attitudes that need to be addressed; there is an inherent intolerance in the belief system that insists upon itself as being the only right path. Taken to an extreme, as it is in the case of fundamentalism, this naturally results in madness.

Imo the idea that it might be possible to wear them down direly underestimates the zeal with which such beliefs are held.

These are typically people who feel disenfranchised to begin with. In their world/ country/ government/ religion, dissent is not allowed and often comes with the harshest of penalties. Protest, outrage, violence against perceived disrespect of their religion is freely tolerated and in some instances encouraged. Displacement of discontent.

[ameiko]

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[billisonboard]

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[ameiko]

Message deleted by mmhmm. Ameiko, I'm removing this post and one following post of yours. It is against the ProBoards ToS to promote hate against any group. You're welcome to disagree with what others might think, or believe; however, you are not free to foster hatred.

[ameiko]

However, if your choice of what to say, print, or film gets you in a bind, it's not the government's job to get you out of it. You made a choice. The consequences are yours, too. That's the conservative way, is it not?

Not when the consequences are forced upon you by someone else. If you don't want to work, well you can starve. If you don't want to buy medical insurance, you don't get that operation.

However, if someone attacks you, that is a crime and it is the job of society to protect its people and their basic human rights.

That's not conservative or liberal, that's just being civilized.

[Deleted]

So, you are saying all Muslims are terrorists?

lol... I think your 3 is interfering with your 1 and 2 there...

[ameiko]

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[TonyTiger]

Sept 22, 2012 10:04:48 GMT -5 ameiko said:

"...No, we have a Muslim problem..."

Agreed.

Although, in all fairness, we also seem to have another problem on our hands, with respect to some of our nicest, best-intentioned fellow citizens...



God love 'em...

[Spellbound454]

Exactly what would "raise up" look like?

Yes indeedy.
Fundamenalist nutters are so nutty.... that if they have to destroy the world to make a point.... they don't really mind.

Its only a tiny fraction of people who are doing this anyway........They were protesting against the protesters yesterday in Benghazi, shouting "No More Al Qaeda"
There is a quite a bit of hijacking for political gain at play here....and others are just in it for the ruck.

As for islamists...Give them no quarter at all.
Welcome to the free world...We'll say what we like, when we please... so they had better start getting used to it and stop behaving like children.

...and Pakistan has proved itself untrustworthy... despite the billions poured into that country.
Its bad for the region, bad for the citizens living in the West.... and bad for their economy if we withdraw support and leave them to it.
but..hey.

[EVT1]

Sept 22, 2012 10:09:15 GMT -5 ameiko said:

However, if someone attacks you, that is a crime and it is the job of society to protect its people and their basic human rights.

As I said- unless it is a SPECIFIC THREAT society owes jack shit to someone who has nothing better to do than piss off people just because they can.

I don't get the extremist Muslims (anymore than I get the extremists from the other religions)- on the most basic level 'God' can handle his/her/its own issues and will deal with people that offend him/her/it or him/her/its 'prophets'- he/she/it doesn't need lowly humans looking out him/her/it.

Eternal hell isn't bad enough in their mythology that they feel a beheading is in order- come on- let the person live a measly 70 years or so- not much considering the eternity after right?

[deziloooooo]

Sept 22, 2012 8:23:38 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Reason, you are SO right. The footing French always get someone else to bail them out. This time, let them suffer the consequences.

What do you have against the French...footing? How so..? Methinks you have heard some sound bytes over the years against them and rather then really investigate and educate your self you just find it easier to just repeat the sound bytes..

With out the French we would still be a common wealth country at best..possible still a colony of the UK.

Bail out ? Are you referring to the second WW...The ones we really bailed out , for our own salvation really, was Britain..and we didn't get involved full time till Pearl Harbor and then Germany declaring war on us...a mistake , one of many the Fuhrer made thank the lord, not really necessary..

Once some one declares war on some one are you suggesting that country do nothing or just capitulate?

"Suffer the consequences..."?? Really wonder why your so big into this..? Did they, French, do something to you negatively , to yours personally to wish such misfortune on them...

[TonyTiger]

Sept 22, 2012 10:20:48 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Message deleted by mmhmm. Removed for fostering hate against a group of people, per ProBoards' ToS.

Pity we can't delete those Muslims who foster hate against groups of people, per ProBoards' TOS... ;D

[zibazinski]

Frankly, those women, who are treated worse than dogs, would be better off dead than living in a country that think so poorly of them. Plus, I'm sorry, but they are raising future killers. I have no issue with cutting off the system that keeps having future killers. You hurt one of our people, boom, a city is gone, just like that, in smoke and ashes. Do it again, same thing but to another city. You don't have to nuke them, just bomb them into another level of thinking. They may grumble but they will stop killing or be dead and then the killing stops anyway.

[zibazinski]

Works for me. IMHO, none of their lives are worth an American life.

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2012 20:19:24 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

You hurt one of our people, boom, a city is gone, just like that, in smoke and ashes. Do it again, same thing but to another city. You don't have to nuke them, just bomb them into another level of thinking.

Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions collective punishments are considered a war crime.

[billisonboard]

Sept 22, 2012 20:19:24 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Frankly, those women, who are treated worse than dogs, would be better off dead than living in a country that think so poorly of them. Plus, I'm sorry, but they are raising future killers. I have no issue with cutting off the system that keeps having future killers. You hurt one of our people, boom, a city is gone, just like that, in smoke and ashes. Do it again, same thing but to another city. You don't have to nuke them, just bomb them into another level of thinking. They may grumble but they will stop killing or be dead and then the killing stops anyway.

No. City Population
(2012)
1 Tripoli 1,800,000 [1]
2 Benghazi 650,000 [2]
3 Misrata 281,000 [3]
4 Bayda 250,000 [4]
5 Zawiya 200,000 [5]
6 Zliten 184,820
7 Tobruk 180,000 [6]
8 Ajdabiya 108,771
9 Derna 103,743
10 Sabha 94,728
11 Khoms 88,317
12 Zuwara 75,893
13 Khufra 68,940
14 Marj 62,894
15 Tajura 60,681
16 Tarhuna 50,715
17 Sirte 48,504
19 Gharyan 46,455
20 Msallata 46,169
19 Bani Walid 43,504
20 Jumayl 39,344
21 Al Karama 37,987
22 Sorman 36,707
23 Al-Uruba 33,194
24 Al Gseibat 32,559
25 Shahhat 28,818
26 Ubari 27,796
27 Asbi'a 27,693
29 Jadid 27,503
30 El Agheila 26,813
31 Abyar 26,600
32 Nofaliya 25,997
33 Regdalin 25,831
34 Gasr Akhyar 25,261
35 Al Qubah 24,631
36 Tawergha 24,223
37 Al Maya 23,222
38 Murzuk 22,395
39 Brega 21,715
40 Teghsat 21,642
41 Hun 19,816
42 Jalu 18,873
43 Sabratha 18,584
44 Al Ujeilat 18,277
45 Nalut 17,146
46 Suluq 16,999
47 Shuhada' al Buerat 16,282
48 Zaltan 15,801
49 Mizda 13,809
50 Waddan 13,302
51 Ra's Lanuf 13,130
52 Al Urban 12,600
53 Yafran 12,372
54 Ar Rayaniya 12,263
55 Umm al Rizam 12,098
56 Taucheira 11,723
57 Brak 11,638
58 Abu Ghlasha 11,179
59 Ad Dawoon 10,909
60 Teji 10,828
61 Qaminis 10,713
62 Qatrun 10,650
63 Benina 10,522
64 Kikla 10,350
65 Al Rheibat 10,080
66 Sokna 9,887
67 Massa 9,748
68 Bin Jawad 9,675
69 Umm al Aranib 9,655
70 Jadu 9,653
71 Ghadames 9,558
72 Ar Rabta 9,487
73 Sidi Khalifa 9,368
74 Ghat 9,228
75 Al Abraq 8,861
76 Sidi as Said 8,836
77 Ar Rajban 8,820
78 Awjila 8,515
79 Ras al Hamam 8,397
80 Tolmeitha 8,310
81 Zella 8,202
82 Wadi Utba 8,178
83 Al Barkat 8,130
84 Martuba 8,130
85 Traghan 7,510
86 Al Hashan 7,494
87 El Bayyada 7,432
88 Qayqab 7,297
89 Mashashita 7,255
90 Bu-Fakhra 7,142
91 Musaid 7,139
92 Tacnis 7,038
93 Susa 7,038
94 Wadi Zem-Zem 6,799
95 Batta 6,754
96 Tazirbu 6,600
97 Jadid 6,598
98 Farzougha 6,564
99 Qaryat ‘Umar al Mukhtar 6,521
100 Bi'r al Ashhab 6,399
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Libya

[zibazinski]

Send a dart to that dartboard and go for it. Geneva convention is just for wimpy countries, like us. The only thing a rabid animal understands is brute force.

[cereb]

w....t....f....

[djAdvocate]

mmhmm- could you purge this fucking thread? it is so full of vileness and hatred it is really not useful for anything other than perpetuating violence.

tyia,

djpolldancer

[billisonboard]

Sept 22, 2012 20:39:54 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

mmhmm- could you purge this fucking thread? it is so full of vileness and hatred it is really not useful for anything other than perpetuating violence.

tyia,

djpolldancer

I disagree. It is an excellent opportunity to see people's souls.

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2012 20:19:24 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

You hurt one of our people, boom, a city is gone, just like that, in smoke and ashes. Do it again, same thing but to another city. You don't have to nuke them, just bomb them

[Deleted]

And so when you kill their city... by rights they get to bomb a state of ours, right ? ...

You want to know what fosters the development of future killers ??

[Deleted]

This thread blows my mind... I just can't believe the disconnect of logic. Does no one understand our country's ideals? Does no one know our history? ... I'm just...

[djAdvocate]

there are people with principles, and people without them.

the notion that somehow it is OK to side with those without them is utterly insane.

[cereb]

"I disagree. It is an excellent opportunity to see people's souls."


I think it's apparent there are those without one.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 22, 2012 21:00:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

"I disagree. It is an excellent opportunity to see people's souls."


I think it's apparent there are those without one.

yes. and it is completely unclear to me how the world is made better giving them an open forum for recruitment.

[cereb]

Sept 22, 2012 21:01:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 22, 2012 21:00:20 GMT -5 cereb said:

"I disagree. It is an excellent opportunity to see people's souls."


I think it's apparent there are those without one.

yes. and it is completely unclear to me how the world is made better giving them an open forum for recruitment.

Agreed.