Fôr Nôn-Rêligious God Loving People

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

I think by "non-religious" Aham was trying to include those who don't specifically belong to any one denomination, but have a spiritual connection to a God or belief system. That's my interpretation.

And it really is a completely different discussion topic than the one Femme started which is quite clear what the discussion is about. So I don't know why she should be so picky about a separate thread being started.

I for one am someone who has a spiritual belief, but no longer belong to any specific religion or denomination.

I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[Reckless Roselia]

but have a spiritual connection to a God or beief system.

Ha, yes, Lassie. I thought the same too.

I think I too lean more on spiritual belief than religious come to think of it.

So if I may ask what are your spiritual beliefs?

[Loopdilou]

Is Femme's thread denominational though? Here's my issue: if you believe in "God" you are specifically referencing a religion, regardless of denomination. Hell, there's a reason that non-denominational churches have cropped up! People searching for a personal relationship with the Christian God that didn't necessarily want to be bogged down by centuries of doctrine. But just because you don't believe in the tenets of a church does not mean you are not religious IF the higher power and many (or most) of your basic ideas regarding that higher power are based on a religion.

This would not be so for someone who believes in a "higher power" without the baggage of a root system.

ETA: Spirituality does not require "God". Even some Atheists consider themselves "spiritual," though generally people who call themselves "spiritual" do believe in a vague higher power or higher powers.

[mmhmm]

Lemmee just say this: You guys are, again, starting down the path that may lead to the removal of the Religious Discussions forum. You're again proving you can't have a civil discussion on spiritual issues. Fighting over thread titles is downright silly on a forum that consists of adults. Let's cut it out with the bickering.

mmhmm, Administrator

[mmhmm]

Since this thread is non-religious (according to the title), I've moved it into the area set up for spiritual discussions rather than leave it in Religious Discussions. Here, too, there will be no flaming, name-calling, or other such nonsense. If it occurs, the thread will be deleted.

mmhmm, Administrator

[mrsdutt]

I think it is quite possible to separate religion from God. Religion is a collection of teachings and rules. It's designed - in the beginning- to offer like minded people (s) a way of worshiping together. However, like all things human, it turns out to be a means of control, for multiple reasons. If this is what a person chooses, then there's nothing wrong with it.

A life with following God's rules is different. One doesn't have a desire to follow the crowd. He/she communes with their God on a personal level. The person searches for truths and opens their spirit to heaven for teaching.

Also, a person could choose to reap information from both lines. The person with lofty goals of spirituality would take advantage of both offerings.

It seems to me, this is what the OP had in mind. i could be wrong though.

[mrsdutt]

Sept 22, 2012 3:10:44 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Since this thread is non-religious (according to the title), I've moved it into the area set up for spiritual discussions rather than leave it in Religious Discussions. Here, too, there will be no flaming, name-calling, or other such nonsense. If it occurs, the thread will be deleted.

mmhmm, Administrator

Why delete a thread that's meant for all to participate in? Why not remove the offenders?

[mmhmm]

I'll counter your question with a question, lduttinger ... Why must there be offenders?

[femmefatale]

Is Femme's thread denominational though?

No, it is not.

Tzu quotes, Buddha quotes, inspirational quotes and etc. are all posted there. To say that it is denominational, is crazy.

[mrsdutt]

Sept 22, 2012 9:29:37 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'll counter your question with a question, lduttinger ... Why must there be offenders?

AMEN!

[Loopdilou]

Sept 22, 2012 11:51:31 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

Is Femme's thread denominational though?

No, it is not.

Tzu quotes, Buddha quotes, inspirational quotes and etc. are all posted there. To say that it is denominational, is crazy.

That's what I thought. As the title for Femme's thread lacks a modifier, it seems the only thread that would be required would be one for Religious God-Loving people.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

You can be spiritual without necessarily being religious though - which I think was Aham's intent when he started this thread. Some people may feel a connection to a higher being or power, but it might not necessarily be of the traditional "God" - but more a spiritual path. Some may have felt the other thread was too specific - since until very recently, the pages were pretty much focusing on nothing but bible quotes and and the Christian faith. We have people here from all cultures and faiths - and some who have no ties to any specific religion, but still live a spiritual life.

[femmefatale]

Sept 22, 2012 12:39:18 GMT -5 Loopdilou said:

Sept 22, 2012 11:51:31 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

No, it is not.

Tzu quotes, Buddha quotes, inspirational quotes and etc. are all posted there. To say that it is denominational, is crazy.

That's what I thought. As the title for Femme's thread lacks a modifier, it seems the only thread that would be required would be one for Religious God-Loving people.

I would like to modify the thread title like my other one was, on another forum, but it doesn't give me the option to modify. But anyways, really doesn't matter to me. ;D

[Jaguar]

Actually the Mods can do it for you Femme.

[femmefatale]

Sept 22, 2012 13:04:01 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

Actually the Mods can do it for you Femme.

I may ask mmhmm to help me with that, then.

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2012 1:50:49 GMT -5 Loopdilou said:

Sept 22, 2012 1:46:41 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

What should I change the title to then so it doesn't offend you? The reason I said something is because I hope you would take offense to it as it was strictly and "off shoot". How else do you say you love God? I guess I should has consulted with you first?? I feel that you guys want to talk about the bible and scripture. I like talking about God in a different way.

They do? Every time I've poked my head in there they've been quoting random people.. scripture is like a post-it note. Not to mention that they're some of the least strictly religious people you can find... I tend to mock fundies.. but I don't mock Femme (shooby and you, yes.. Femme, no ).

How the HECK do i get tossed into this?

Especially after i spent so much of my limited time helping Sucking Uncle Same Dry!!! How insulting!!

[Green Eyed Lady]

Well. I'd like to say I'm stunned that everybody is arguing over the title of a thread....but I'm not.

I see what Aham is saying. "Religion" is usually defined as a set of beliefs shared by a group of people. Yes. There are other definitions. I know them all. This particular definition is the one I think of when I hear the word "religion". So when Aham posts about a "non-religious God loving person", I understand what he means - or at least what he says means to me.

Someone (I'm sorry I can't remember who) tried to explain in another thread the other day. My relationship with God is just that - a personal relationship. It has nothing to do with a "group of people". Of course, I attend church with like-minded individuals. However, for me, it is the relationship - not the religion. It's not about the quoting of scriptures or the debate on interpretation or the singing of hymns or the drinking of grape juice. It is about my personal relationship with God.

It's my feeling that is what Aham wanted to discuss. I could be wrong, but what does it matter? It's not like there aren't about 4 million threads with something about "money" in the title. I don't know why we have to limit God to just one.

[Deleted]

I am not sure how many religious, non religious, God loving, non God loving, believing, unbelieving, maybe, kinda , sorta threads i can keep up with!

[Deleted]

;D

[mmhmm]

Sept 22, 2012 16:15:01 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

Sept 22, 2012 13:04:01 GMT -5 Jaguar said:

Actually the Mods can do it for you Femme.

I may ask mmhmm to help me with that, then.

I'd be glad to help, femme, but I'm pretty sure you can do it yourself, if you wish. Just go to the very first post in the thread. That's the one to which the thread title is attached. Click Modify to modify that first post. Above the modification area of the post will be the title box. You can modify your title there.

If it doesn't work for you, don't hesitate to let me know what you'd like the title to be and I'll happily change it for you.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I'm sorry for not getting to this thread. The last few days have been out of whack because of work.


The reason I started this thread was to have a conversation about the quotes in the first post, not to have another thread with quotes. I thought the title was cleaver because it incorporated different aspects of the conversation in the religious area, and it was kind of a generalization I guess. I see that quite a few understand how I feel.

Honestly my beliefs and overall concept on this matter ties into what Trevor and I are talking about in the “Zealotry, Religion and the Historical Aspect” thread. It can actually be summed up nicely with this post from that thread,

The Muslims go back to JC. He had Zealots for disciples, Gnostic writings go back to around the time of Christ. However, they were followers of Christ. It was Moe that united these people under the banner of Islam and made up his own bible.

So while he was combating the Romans for what he seen as idol worship, he created a Religion based on following himself, a false profit. We know this because JC is the messiah and if Islam is truly in the line of Abraham then the one true profit of God is Jesus, not Moe.

JC used the Romans to spread love and the Zealots/gnostics to spread peace, and the two waring sides would always need the traditions of business to pay for their ideals. Those traditions are truly Christ's when it comes right down to it, our beloved rabbi.

Business, freedom, and love bring peace and conquer all!

Libyan protesters oust Benghazi militias
dawn.com/2012/09/22/libyan-protesters-oust-benghazi-militias/

Libya orders disbanding of 'illegitimate' militia
www.usatoday.com/news/world/story....tias/57829890/1

Keep in mind the quotes from the first post were…

Jesus said,
"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."
-Jimi Hendrix

Jesus said,
"If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you."

The balance is, war on war =

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I had a feeling I would be able to make this point. For non-religious God Loving people, it’s interesting to think that Jesus could have been just like you, no?

Consider that Hellenized Judaism is where Christianity most likely originated. Baptisms not sacrifice, no circumcisions required, and most of all men and women were equal. You don’t end up having the longest lasting legacy of anyone that has ever lived by just being a pacifist; I think the quotes at the end of the last post sum that up nicely.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I would wager to say that more people have died in religious wars, or as a result of various religious reasons, than any other cause in our history. Humans have created these religious and continued to claim for millenniums that God gives them the authority to kill and perform heinous acts towards others.

I always hear lots ask, why does God allow this?

Maybe God doesn’t. Maybe it’s just that it takes us slow humans over 5000+ yrs to understand some pretty basic concepts on a universal level?

Maybe JC was given the means to create an environment in which we would all have to come to some universal agreement?

In the end math says there is a right and wrong answer, it’s just up to you to believe that 2+2=4.

[Deleted]

I believe God gives us free will. Thus we can choose good or choose evil.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I agree Shooby, I also think the world can function in balance operating just as we do here, even though some accuse us of being a Zionist regime in service of the devil.

I know science has given us the ability to function in balance with the earth and has put a starting point on the universe.

I believe that current events, along with the science of archeology and history, will eventually point us to universal understandings of things that have happened in our past that will make it so we can have this "peaceful" balance that we experience here worldwide. Thanks JC!