75% Want Obamacare Law Changed

[reasonfreedom]

Jan 31, 2011 23:40:29 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Jan 31, 2011 23:31:35 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

That's kind of sad and it reinforces the idea that American kids in the 21st century are lazy, stupid freeloaders. When I was 25, I was already married, owned two homes and had a career (with health benefits). I was also going to grad school at that time...and this wasn't back in grandpa's America. This was the late 1990s...

That is you eddie. Why do you think that you have to set the "norm?" College is more expensive and harder to afford than ever before. There are lots of young adults out there who have no choice but to work 1 or more jobs to earn money for college, and they may not be able to get through college and grad school within 5 years from graduating from high school. And just because you were already married when you were 25 does not make that right. I think you were way too young to be married. That is my opinion. It is your opinion that a 25 year old should be married, own two homes and be in grad school. That is simply your opinion and your circumstance. You do not set the norm for the United States of America eddie, nor do I. Bottom line is, if a young adult is a full time student, and performing well in college, I think it is good that he or she be covered medically under their parent's insurance. Not all 25 year olds have a college fund or are impulsive enough to be married and in debted so young.

I graduated College at age 20 and worked 1 job and paid for my own college. I am 30 now so not much older than your 25 year old. I tend to agree with Ed a lot of the children are just lazy. I do agree that college is getting more expensive, but not so much that you can't do right out of high school.

[reasonfreedom]

Feb 1, 2011 0:15:12 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Feb 1, 2011 0:01:04 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

LOL! I worked two jobs in college to pay for my education so I wouldn't graduate with a lot of debt. I never said it should be the norm, although if it was, we would be a hell of a lot more competitive in the world than we are now...the idea of a "full time" student is a joke. Going to school is not a full time job. I took 15-18 units every quarter, and I still had time for two jobs.

So what eddie? Does that make you any better than the average college student? No it does not. I was serving in the 1st Gulf War when I was 19 and 20. Does that make me any better than the average 19 to 20 year old or better than you? No it does not. Because of my service, I received the GI bill which helped pay for some of my college expenses (not all by any means.) I too was married young. (which I now think was a poor decision) I was raising a child when I was 23. I had my own medical coverage and paid my own bills without any assistance from my parents or anyone else. The point is, college is way more expensive today than ever before, even than the late 90's. It is taking longer for students to graduate and find gainful employment with medical benefits. Therefore, I think it is beneficial that these young people be able to get the medical care they may need (most dont need care)

You are not as exceptional as you think ed. There are plenty of us out there who worked hard, served, paid bills, had insurance, etc by the time we were 25. Times are harder now.

Wait you think 25 married is too young, but you had a child at 23? Somebody please tell me that having a child is less responsible than being married, because I am confused.

[reasonfreedom]

Feb 1, 2011 14:56:00 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

"spending most of his time getting high and playing video games IS taking advantage of a system, and I have a problem with that if I am footing the bill. '
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What bill are you paying?

The parent is paying their family plan share, the children covered are just extended.

Since most are healthy, young, the majority would not be a actuary problem in occurrence of illnesses, just a extension.

Me thinks you just like to be argumentative on any, all and everything.

While not wanting to get into your set up with family, I get the idea there is not much discussion there, more of ' It is what it is because I, the ed, says that is what it is, case closed "

You have a degree, went on in schooling? mmmm Surprised there , I find a lot of your reasoning the reasoning of one who has not been exposed to that benefit..but one never knows what one gets from that occurrence I guess , but still....

As far as getting high, video games..comments like that and so many other of your comments , just reinforce my feelings on your alleged higher educating claims.

Sorry, it just does, because comments out of the blue like that are just so dumb and sorry to say, just plain stupid.

Since most are healthy? This is the real problem on why private health care is going up. More people becoming obese, did you know 1/3 of the babies born in the U.S. are now obese. Maybe if everybody would stop eating all of those boxed junk preservatives and refined sugars our society would have to pay jack for insurance. We don't need a public option, would we need is intelligent humans doing something called "preventative maintenance". Granted over eating at one meal seems to be a problem, but I eat close to 3200 calories a day with 11% body fat. I spend approximately 180 for 2 weeks with worth of groceries and it could be a lot less if I wasn't buying all organic products. I hear people whining about their grocery bills and see them smoking and drinking at the bar, I set their and wonder if they realize how stupid they look. People need to live within their means, use preventative maintenance and exercise/sleep good. I do all of this making $16/hour and yes I am single. If you have the excuse I have children to feed, yeah that might be true but you should added that into your future finances. If you expect taking care of child not to be expense then you are just naive and shouldn't be having them in the first place. I myself don't have any health care simply because I don't get sick(or if I do it is rare and not costly) and keep myself healthy. Less than 5% of disease/health conditions that are not preventable are genetic, so the rest lay with your choice in your diet and health. Did I get sick when I was a kid yes but it was anything I had to go to the doctors for or if it was the cost would be minimal.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 1, 2011 16:28:51 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Feb 1, 2011 14:56:00 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

"spending most of his time getting high and playing video games IS taking advantage of a system, and I have a problem with that if I am footing the bill. '
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What bill are you paying?

The parent is paying their family plan share, the children covered are just extended.

Since most are healthy, young, the majority would not be a actuary problem in occurrence of illnesses, just a extension.

Me thinks you just like to be argumentative on any, all and everything.

While not wanting to get into your set up with family, I get the idea there is not much discussion there, more of ' It is what it is because I, the ed, says that is what it is, case closed "

You have a degree, went on in schooling? mmmm Surprised there , I find a lot of your reasoning the reasoning of one who has not been exposed to that benefit..but one never knows what one gets from that occurrence I guess , but still....

As far as getting high, video games..comments like that and so many other of your comments , just reinforce my feelings on your alleged higher educating claims.

Sorry, it just does, because comments out of the blue like that are just so dumb and sorry to say, just plain stupid.

Since most are healthy? This is the real problem on why private health care is going up. More people becoming obese, did you know 1/3 of the babies born in the U.S. are now obese. Maybe if everybody would stop eating all of those boxed junk preservatives and refined sugars our society would have to pay jack for insurance. We don't need a public option, would we need is intelligent humans doing something called "preventative maintenance". Granted over eating at one meal seems to be a problem, but I eat close to 3200 calories a day with 11% body fat. I spend approximately 180 for 2 weeks with worth of groceries and it could be a lot less if I wasn't buying all organic products. I hear people whining about their grocery bills and see them smoking and drinking at the bar, I set their and wonder if they realize how stupid they look. People need to live within their means, use preventative maintenance and exercise/sleep good. I do all of this making $16/hour and yes I am single. If you have the excuse I have children to feed, yeah that might be true but you should added that into your future finances. If you expect taking care of child not to be expense then you are just naive and shouldn't be having them in the first place. I myself don't have any health care simply because I don't get sick(or if I do it is rare and not costly) and keep myself healthy. Less than 5% of disease/health conditions that are not preventable are genetic, so the rest lay with your choice in your diet and health. Did I get sick when I was a kid yes but it was anything I had to go to the doctors for or if it was the cost would be minimal.

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Your correct in saying that to many have bad living habits..little exercise, poor eating habits..and to get a control on that early is the best thing to happen for all of us.

As far as being healthy..there are no guarantees on that, plus accidents are waiting to happen, many times not the fault of the one involved a second or third person causing but still affecting the innocent party.

If that happens or a illness pops up, remember , there is no guarantee that it won't happen, not to be insured for treatment , not a good thing to be faced with and don't , please don't, tell me about the ER...that is not health coverage..that is a stabilization event in to many cases.

[reasonfreedom]

Feb 1, 2011 17:19:41 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Feb 1, 2011 16:28:51 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Since most are healthy? This is the real problem on why private health care is going up. More people becoming obese, did you know 1/3 of the babies born in the U.S. are now obese. Maybe if everybody would stop eating all of those boxed junk preservatives and refined sugars our society would have to pay jack for insurance. We don't need a public option, would we need is intelligent humans doing something called "preventative maintenance". Granted over eating at one meal seems to be a problem, but I eat close to 3200 calories a day with 11% body fat. I spend approximately 180 for 2 weeks with worth of groceries and it could be a lot less if I wasn't buying all organic products. I hear people whining about their grocery bills and see them smoking and drinking at the bar, I set their and wonder if they realize how stupid they look. People need to live within their means, use preventative maintenance and exercise/sleep good. I do all of this making $16/hour and yes I am single. If you have the excuse I have children to feed, yeah that might be true but you should added that into your future finances. If you expect taking care of child not to be expense then you are just naive and shouldn't be having them in the first place. I myself don't have any health care simply because I don't get sick(or if I do it is rare and not costly) and keep myself healthy. Less than 5% of disease/health conditions that are not preventable are genetic, so the rest lay with your choice in your diet and health. Did I get sick when I was a kid yes but it was anything I had to go to the doctors for or if it was the cost would be minimal.

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Your correct in saying that to many have bad living habits..little exercise, poor eating habits..and to get a control on that early is the best thing to happen for all of us.

As far as being healthy..there are no guarantees on that, plus accidents are waiting to happen, many times not the fault of the one involved a second or third person causing but still affecting the innocent party.

If that happens or a illness pops up, remember , there is no guarantee that it won't happen, not to be insured for treatment , not a good thing to be faced with and don't , please don't, tell me about the ER...that is not health coverage..that is a stabilization event in to many cases.

I am curious, what did they do back in the 19th century or early 20th century? Did they call up BCBS? The last time I checked they most likely called up the local doctor. People have been surviving without health insurances for centuries, it is not necessary at all.

[SweetVirginia]

Feb 1, 2011 16:05:03 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Feb 1, 2011 0:15:12 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

So what eddie? Does that make you any better than the average college student? No it does not. I was serving in the 1st Gulf War when I was 19 and 20. Does that make me any better than the average 19 to 20 year old or better than you? No it does not. Because of my service, I received the GI bill which helped pay for some of my college expenses (not all by any means.) I too was married young. (which I now think was a poor decision) I was raising a child when I was 23. I had my own medical coverage and paid my own bills without any assistance from my parents or anyone else. The point is, college is way more expensive today than ever before, even than the late 90's. It is taking longer for students to graduate and find gainful employment with medical benefits. Therefore, I think it is beneficial that these young people be able to get the medical care they may need (most dont need care)

You are not as exceptional as you think ed. There are plenty of us out there who worked hard, served, paid bills, had insurance, etc by the time we were 25. Times are harder now.

Wait you think 25 married is too young, but you had a child at 23? Somebody please tell me that having a child is less responsible than being married, because I am confused.

Yes, I think 25 is too young. I also think 23 is too young to have a child which I did. I also was too young to marry at 22. I was quite responsible, raised a straight A, well behaved young man. I earned my degree while raising my child and I became a high school teacher. Although I made the poor decision to marry too young and have a child too young, I still maintain that 25 and under is too young to marry or start a family. My opinion.

[fairlycrazy23]

The question isn't what each of us has done individually or what we fill is an appropriate age for a child to "be an adult" it is what is right and proper when the State is forcing people to things. Is it the central governments role to force private insurance companies to provide a certain product (membership in a group policy for adults not in the group).? I think this is completely absurd to think they have such power, and yet they seem to.

[SweetVirginia]

Feb 2, 2011 9:18:40 GMT -5 fairlycrazy23 said:

The question isn't what each of us has done individually or what we fill is an appropriate age for a child to "be an adult" it is what is right and proper when the State is forcing people to things. Is it the central governments role to force private insurance companies to provide a certain product (membership in a group policy for adults not in the group).? I think this is completely absurd to think they have such power, and yet they seem to.

Are you of the thought that a 17 or 18 year old, fresh out of high school should be able to provide health insurance for himself? I understand your belief that private health insurance should not be mandated to do anything or regulated, but if they had no mandates or regulations, they would simply look out only for their bottom line, and nothing more. I am of the belief that health care should not be for profit. Health is too important to try to make a "buck" off of it.

[fairlycrazy23]

Feb 2, 2011 9:26:46 GMT -5 SweetVirginia said:

Are you of the thought that a 17 or 18 year old, fresh out of high school should be able to provide health insurance for himself? I understand your belief that private health insurance should not be mandated to do anything or regulated, but if they had no mandates or regulations, they would simply look out only for their bottom line, and nothing more. I am of the belief that health care should not be for profit. Health is too important to try to make a "buck" off of it.

I never said it shouldn't be regulated. Over regulation is the problem.
Looking out for the bottom line works everywhere but government.
Providing a superior product helps your bottom line, except for the government who can just point a gun at you and say pay more taxes.

There is no reason to that a more free market solution to our health care would be far superior to anything the government could force upon its people.

[privateinvestor]

Senate will vote today to repeal Obamacare.....this bill is dead and will be overhauled IMHO....

Don't forget the states can block implementation based on the courts ruings and this thing is turning out to be a mess because there is no leadership from the Obama Administration on this Constitutional Problem except to say that Judge Vinson's ruling was wrong.....but that is just a smoke screen to cover their rear ends

[fairlycrazy23]

I didn't know they where going to vote on Obama care today, hopefully they do, but it won't matter because Obama would veto it.

But hopefully they will decide to move away from our current model of only paying a coy-pay at time of service and move towards a more market oriented solution. Over regulation has been stifling innovation in health care for a long time. I think if health care providers are free to innovate they will be able to .

[ed1066]

I am of the belief that health care should not be for profit.

A lot of medical and nursing students incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars in educational debt disagree vociferously with you...unless you are also suggesting their educations should be free as well...

[privateinvestor]

McConnell maneuvers for health vote
By: Jennifer Haberkorn and Shira Toeplitz
February 1, 2011 01:59 PM EST

Senate Republicans promise that the first vote to repeal the health care reform law, which is likely to happen Wednesday but is expected to fail, won’t be the last strike at President Barack Obama’s signature legislation.

Senate Democrats are confident they can defeat the Republican amendment to repeal the law in a procedural vote with few, if any, defections.

The vote represents the first chance to force moderate Democrats to make a tough vote to stand by the health care reform law, which has not become more popular since it passed in March. Through this vote and others, Republicans are hoping to build public momentum for repealing the law.

Democrats said they welcome the opportunity to defend the legislation and defeat the attempt to repeal it.

“We know what this health care bill does to families. It helps them,” Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said. “But it appears what the Republicans are doing is focusing again in some way to help the insurance industry — as if they need help.”

Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) stopped short of guaranteeing that he would deliver all the members in his party but said he felt “very good” his 53-vote caucus would stick together to defeat repeal.

“These Republicans are duty-bound to offer this repeal amendment,” Durbin told reporters. “They did it in the House; they’re going to do it in the Senate; and we’ll just deal with it.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) introduced the repeal amendment on Tuesday, arguing that it was an opportunity for Democrats to take a fresh look at the legislation, just a day after a federal judge in Florida struck down the legislation as unconstitutional.

“For all those who supported the health law, it’s an opportunity to re-evaluate your vote, to listen to your constituents who are desperately trying to get your attention,” he said on the Senate floor. “You can say, perhaps this was a mistake. We can do this better. Or you can continue to dismiss the majority of the people in this country as not knowing what they’re talking about.”

It’s the same repeal legislation that passed the House last month. Republicans have attached it as an amendment to a bill to reauthorize the Federal Aviation Administration.

Democrats plan to call a budget-point-of-order against the amendment, a procedural move designed to highlight the $230 billion that the Congressional Budget Office says would be added to the deficit if the health law is repealed. It requires 60 votes to overcome.

Republicans strongly object to the CBO score, arguing that the law has “budget gimmicks” and would really add to the deficit.

The Senate is also expected to vote on two competing amendments to repeal the 1099 tax reporting requirements in the health care reform law. The provision would require business owners to file tax documents on all cumulative purchases of more than $600 and has been universally panned by the business community as burdensome.





dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BA59C507-F9DA-4D42-A7B8-F3E521CBD0FE

[fairlycrazy23]

Here is unfettered regulation at it best:

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/02/01/spilled_milk_108727.html

[deziloooooo]

Feb 2, 2011 7:48:25 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Feb 1, 2011 17:19:41 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

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Your correct in saying that to many have bad living habits..little exercise, poor eating habits..and to get a control on that early is the best thing to happen for all of us.

As far as being healthy..there are no guarantees on that, plus accidents are waiting to happen, many times not the fault of the one involved a second or third person causing but still affecting the innocent party.

If that happens or a illness pops up, remember , there is no guarantee that it won't happen, not to be insured for treatment , not a good thing to be faced with and don't , please don't, tell me about the ER...that is not health coverage..that is a stabilization event in to many cases.

I am curious, what did they do back in the 19th century or early 20th century? Did they call up BCBS? The last time I checked they most likely called up the local doctor. People have been surviving without health insurances for centuries, it is not necessary at all.

Survive? Probably..however to be cured, treated with all the latest medical advances, to get relief from medical problems so one does not suffer, unless some one is in a position of financial independence, for most of us, the costs for these cures reliefs care are beyond us and to expect to get these treatments and care for free..that just is not going to happen.

[floridayankee]

Feb 2, 2011 12:05:40 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

I am of the belief that health care should not be for profit.

A lot of medical and nursing students incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars in educational debt disagree vociferously with you...unless you are also suggesting their educations should be free as well...

In SV's defense, "Non-Profit" doesn't mean everything is free or nobody gets paid.

Having said that, if one believes health care should be cheap and/or free, they are also more than welcome to pursue their degree in the medical field of choice and volunteer their time at one of the many free health clinics in nearly every major city....or simply make donations and help support them financially. It's easy to do, trust me.

[reasonfreedom]

Feb 2, 2011 12:47:13 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Feb 2, 2011 7:48:25 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

I am curious, what did they do back in the 19th century or early 20th century? Did they call up BCBS? The last time I checked they most likely called up the local doctor. People have been surviving without health insurances for centuries, it is not necessary at all.

Survive? Probably..however to be cured, treated with all the latest medical advances, to get relief from medical problems so one does not suffer, unless some one is in a position of financial independence, for most of us, the costs for these cures reliefs care are beyond us and to expect to get these treatments and care for free..that just is not going to happen.

We need to be strong as a human race, "survive" would do us some good. The latest medical advances and relief, you mean all of those pharmaceuticals that cause more health problems than they cure? Look at the pain pills that they have been prescribing, which is basically another street drug(FDA came out and said that they were causing to much liver damage, only took them 80 some years). I find it almost as easy to get pills off of the street than from the doctors. I am not sure how much t.v. you watch, but all of those pharma commercials with 10 side effects to 1 possible/temporary cure. Not trying to force my opinion at all on you Dez, just reciting out information that I have researched for the past 2 years on nutrition/health. I think some of these technologies we have created in the medical field are awesome, but it seems like we can cure everything with a magic pill now. Kind of curious why they haven't come out with the magic cancer pill yet.

[ed1066]

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[ed1066]

In SV's defense, "Non-Profit" doesn't mean everything is free or nobody gets paid.

I understand that, but if healthcare were to be truly non-profit, the salaries for surgeons, anesthesiologists, radiologists, etc. would need to be in line with those of other non-profit industry employees. I'm saying that's not likely to happen unless the cost of their educations was drastically reduced or eliminated...and even then, would a person be likely to go to school for 8 years, endure the hell of internship and residency and give every free moment over to study and research to make $45,000 a year? About the same as a Starbuck's manager? I think not...

[floridayankee]

Feb 2, 2011 13:52:35 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

In SV's defense, "Non-Profit" doesn't mean everything is free or nobody gets paid.

I understand that, but if healthcare were to be truly non-profit, the salaries for surgeons, anesthesiologists, radiologists, etc. would need to be in line with those of other non-profit industry employees. I'm saying that's not likely to happen unless the cost of their educations was drastically reduced or eliminated...and even then, would a person be likely to go to school for 8 years, endure the hell of internship and residency and give every free moment over to study and research to make $45,000 a year? About the same as a Starbuck's manager? I think not...

I agree and I doubt many would....especially the progressive crowd that desires the elimination of profit.

It's a slippery slope argument to argue for non profit health care because it's a necessity. What next? Food? Clothing? Energy? Housing? Where does it stop...when we all work for free? Think of the "paradise" of the sifi world of Star Trek, where there is no currency and everybody simply works long hard hours for pride and/or self improvement. As nice as it may sound, it's not very likely to happen.

[ed1066]

Where does it stop...when we all work for free? Think of the "paradise" of the sifi world of Star Trek, where there is no currency and everybody simply works long hard hours for pride and/or self improvement. As nice as it may sound, it's not very likely to happen.

Well let's look at places where this has been tried, the various "worker's paradises" that have been (forcibly) enacted around the world. The former Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, Romania, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. They're all doing great, right?

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

There were a lot of communes here in the 60s, most of them failed too.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 2, 2011 13:15:23 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Feb 2, 2011 12:47:13 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Survive? Probably..however to be cured, treated with all the latest medical advances, to get relief from medical problems so one does not suffer, unless some one is in a position of financial independence, for most of us, the costs for these cures reliefs care are beyond us and to expect to get these treatments and care for free..that just is not going to happen.

We need to be strong as a human race, "survive" would do us some good. The latest medical advances and relief, you mean all of those pharmaceuticals that cause more health problems than they cure? Look at the pain pills that they have been prescribing, which is basically another street drug(FDA came out and said that they were causing to much liver damage, only took them 80 some years). I find it almost as easy to get pills off of the street than from the doctors. I am not sure how much t.v. you watch, but all of those pharma commercials with 10 side effects to 1 possible/temporary cure. Not trying to force my opinion at all on you Dez, just reciting out information that I have researched for the past 2 years on nutrition/health. I think some of these technologies we have created in the medical field are awesome, but it seems like we can cure everything with a magic pill now. Kind of curious why they haven't come out with the magic cancer pill yet.

I understand what you are saying , however, while one has to be watched, tested for the side effects, kidney problems comes to mind, and while diet, exercise are important , very important, the realities are , as one ages..the sins of the past do come to the fore and even where there were no sins, and Sugar, Cholesterole, Bood pressure , cataracts, rear their ugly head..medical care is needed, medications to keep under control..trust me..it happens...they are not cures , they maintain the health of the individual.

[reasonfreedom]

Feb 2, 2011 17:54:42 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Feb 2, 2011 13:15:23 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

We need to be strong as a human race, "survive" would do us some good. The latest medical advances and relief, you mean all of those pharmaceuticals that cause more health problems than they cure? Look at the pain pills that they have been prescribing, which is basically another street drug(FDA came out and said that they were causing to much liver damage, only took them 80 some years). I find it almost as easy to get pills off of the street than from the doctors. I am not sure how much t.v. you watch, but all of those pharma commercials with 10 side effects to 1 possible/temporary cure. Not trying to force my opinion at all on you Dez, just reciting out information that I have researched for the past 2 years on nutrition/health. I think some of these technologies we have created in the medical field are awesome, but it seems like we can cure everything with a magic pill now. Kind of curious why they haven't come out with the magic cancer pill yet.

I understand what you are saying , however, while one has to be watched, tested for the side effects, kidney problems comes to mind, and while diet, exercise are important , very important, the realities are , as one ages..the sins of the past do come to the fore and even where there were no sins, and Sugar, Cholesterole, Bood pressure , cataracts, rear their ugly head..medical care is needed, medications to keep under control..trust me..it happens...they are not cures , they maintain the health of the individual.

My father is 72 and he had cholesterol and blood pressure problems, but guess what he uses natural herbs, vegetables and fruits. Now his cholesterol and blood pressure are near perfect, on top of that he is doing manual labor that most 24 year old can not do(his energy levels are out of the sky). I myself was not always like this until my father turned me onto what to eat or not, but sense then I don't get headaches, acid reflux, pains, soreness, ect.. My herbalist has actually cured multiple sickness/diseases that people have been going to doctors for months taking multiple prescriptions. You think that the pharmaceuticals must work because people are on them and the doctors prescribe them. Did you know if you are a doctor and say that a natural remedy will cure a certain illness, that you will lose your medical license. Doctors prescribe you drugs because they have to, not because they necessarily want to. Medications don't maintain health they just mask the problem. Like aspirin it doesn't cure a headache, it masks the headache until your body's immune system can resolve the issue causing it. I am not sure how much you have researched nutrition or how much you have experimented with your body as far a diets, but a lot this would make more sense if you did. One thing that is huge, is all the waste from eating processed foods that have stored up in your system for so many years. Our bodies are extremely resilient, but they are not made to absorb processed materials. All of that extra junk get built up in your liver/kidneys/colon and slows/kills their abilities. With all of the toxins\waste not being filtered they stay in your system, which depreciates your energy levels because your body has to work twice as hard to absorb the nutrients and avoid the waste. LOL, I know I am rattling on, but I am living proof this is true I feel better and more energetic than I did when I was 16 (currently 31). To each his own I guess, you can only inform what you have experienced.

[zipity]

I am curious, what did they do back in the 19th century or early 20th century?

They died. If you lived to the ripe old age of 65 you were doing well.

Personally, if the pubs want to repeal healthcare reform I wouldn't have a problem with it IF in the same bill they made it possible for hospitals to turn away anyone, regardless of condition, who didn't have health insurance. Some people may not like having to purchase mandated health insurance HOWEVER I'm certain that many here resent having their insurance rates increase each year when hospitals have to increase their rates to pay for free loaders who expect to be saved when following a car accident they show up in the ER almost dead. Get health insurance, put up a bond or sign a living will stating that in an emergency you don't want to be saved. Without some kind of language like this, republicans are simply asking the rest of us to happily pick up the cost of irresponsible free loaders.

[deziloooooo]

Feb 2, 2011 18:39:22 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Feb 2, 2011 17:54:42 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

I understand what you are saying , however, while one has to be watched, tested for the side effects, kidney problems comes to mind, and while diet, exercise are important , very important, the realities are , as one ages..the sins of the past do come to the fore and even where there were no sins, and Sugar, Cholesterole, Bood pressure , cataracts, rear their ugly head..medical care is needed, medications to keep under control..trust me..it happens...they are not cures , they maintain the health of the individual.

My father is 72 and he had cholesterol and blood pressure problems, but guess what he uses natural herbs, vegetables and fruits. Now his cholesterol and blood pressure are near perfect, on top of that he is doing manual labor that most 24 year old can not do(his energy levels are out of the sky). I myself was not always like this until my father turned me onto what to eat or not, but sense then I don't get headaches, acid reflux, pains, soreness, ect.. My herbalist has actually cured multiple sickness/diseases that people have been going to doctors for months taking multiple prescriptions. You think that the pharmaceuticals must work because people are on them and the doctors prescribe them. Did you know if you are a doctor and say that a natural remedy will cure a certain illness, that you will lose your medical license. Doctors prescribe you drugs because they have to, not because they necessarily want to. Medications don't maintain health they just mask the problem. Like aspirin it doesn't cure a headache, it masks the headache until your body's immune system can resolve the issue causing it. I am not sure how much you have researched nutrition or how much you have experimented with your body as far a diets, but a lot this would make more sense if you did. One thing that is huge, is all the waste from eating processed foods that have stored up in your system for so many years. Our bodies are extremely resilient, but they are not made to absorb processed materials. All of that extra junk get built up in your liver/kidneys/colon and slows/kills their abilities. With all of the toxins\waste not being filtered they stay in your system, which depreciates your energy levels because your body has to work twice as hard to absorb the nutrients and avoid the waste. LOL, I know I am rattling on, but I am living proof this is true I feel better and more energetic than I did when I was 16 (currently 31). To each his own I guess, you can only inform what you have experienced.

I understand what you are saying and I live in a over 55 community, most are into healthy living , many should have started eearlier..but exercise, cheat only rarly, however..I'll stay with my doctors..people do get ill, they need medical when they do...31, LOL, come back in 40 years but i do applaud you..stay with what you are doing now, great idea and the old man has it correct...
Hav you ever tried to cut your salt contact..unless you go to health food stores, very, very expensive..for real no salt at all in products...all the reading of labels..no way you keep to what is what is wanted.

[SweetVirginia]

Feb 2, 2011 12:05:40 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

I am of the belief that health care should not be for profit.

A lot of medical and nursing students incurring hundreds of thousands of dollars in educational debt disagree vociferously with you...unless you are also suggesting their educations should be free as well...

Medical and nursing students, once graduated, are not the ones who are enjoying the profits ed. They earn a decent amount of income but I do not think their income comes close to reflecting the true astronomical amount of profit made by the health corps. These students may actually feel jipped.

[SweetVirginia]

I agree and I doubt many would....especially the progressive crowd that desires the elimination of profit.


There may be some radical progressives who wish to eliminate all "for profit," but I do not think that is not the majority of us. I for one believe in private business, profit, entrepreneurship, etc. But there must be some regulation. I also believe that health care should not be a for profit business. Health care is too important to try to make money off of it. My opinion.

[ed1066]

Medical and nursing students, once graduated, are not the ones who are enjoying the profits ed. They earn a decent amount of income but I do not think their income comes close to reflecting the true astronomical amount of profit made by the health corps. These students may actually feel jipped.

My doctor is in private practice. He practices with two other physicians. They own the practice, they pay the staff and all the expenses, there is no big mega health care corporation involved. How do you propose he move to a "non-profit" model and still feed his family?

[SweetVirginia]

Feb 3, 2011 0:16:54 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Medical and nursing students, once graduated, are not the ones who are enjoying the profits ed. They earn a decent amount of income but I do not think their income comes close to reflecting the true astronomical amount of profit made by the health corps. These students may actually feel jipped.

My doctor is in private practice. He practices with two other physicians. They own the practice, they pay the staff and all the expenses, there is no big mega health care corporation involved. How do you propose he move to a "non-profit" model and still feed his family?

Really. So the all of your doctor's patients, including yourself, pay for medical expenses, out of pocket? Cash? No patients use their health insurance benefits at your doctor's office?