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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 9, 2011 18:38:13 GMT -5
While this thread deals with the crises in Egypt in skimming through some links came across this one from Lebanon regarding Palestinian election that might be linked to the upheaval in Egypt. Not only are other Middle Eastern countries being affected by the uprising but the territories too, West bank and Gaza. The PA is calling for elections. They are long over due, the PM of the PA, Abbas has been technically out of office since 2009 and the Parliament since 2010 but by special decree both been still in charge . Hamas who are in charge of Gaza said they will not participate , they are welcome to participate by the PA, but if not then elections will be held on the West Bank. While the West bank seems to have been doing well, financially and in services , not all is well with rule there, being accused of being heavy handed with security against the citizens , opposition, mistreatment, a very large security force, almost 30% of the population involved in security , mostly against their own populace. Not sure if Abbas is running I thought he wanted to retire, and if so, I wonder who would take his place to negotiate with the Israeli's if they ever start again. ----------------------------------------------------------------- www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=124741#axzz1DVUjyfYT--------------------------------------------------------------------- The Palestinian government Tuesday set July 9 as the date for local polls that had been postponed indefinitely in the occupied West Bank, acting as upheaval rocks Egypt over demands for political reform. The Hamas government that rules Gaza promptly rejected the move. The Palestinian Authority has not held elections since 2006, leaving Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and members of Parliament in office after their elected terms ended. PA spokesman Ghassan Khatib said the Cabinet decision calls for polls in both of the divided Palestinian territories. He said if Hamas did not allow for vote preparations in Gaza, the balloting would be held only in the West Bank. Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said the West Bank government has “no right to call this election.” He said Hamas would not participate in any vote, even in the West Bank, until the two governments were reconciled ------------------------------------------------------------------ {to read article click on link} )
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 13:07:09 GMT -5
I know P.I put up a thread on the long awaited step down of President Mubarak but I am unable to play video easily, stop/start so for those who might have the same problem ..heres the most recent article on the transfer of power. 100's of thousands in the square, labor groups are on strike and the demonstrations are taking place not just in Cairo , the square but have spread to other parts of the city, Mubarak's palace, and other parts of Egypt. Also it is being said he won't step down...just a transfer of power..if so crowd will not be happy, right now so many rumors, my thinking is they are still working it out, those really in charge. Whatever, History is happening as we type and read..think Concord /Lexington with CNN, or if you prefer, FOX or MS NBC, live and present. TV is saying the address by Mubarak will be live, not taped , which is unusual, that it will only be Mubarak who will step down, many rumors of where he will go, stay in Egypt go abroad...but people are flocking to the city to be there to heart he address and then if as reported his step down to celebrate. Historic is the word being bandied about... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "All your demands will be met today," Gen. Hassan al-Roueini, military commander for the Cairo area, told thousands of protesters in central Tahrir Square. The protesters lifted al-Roueini onto their shoulders and carried him around the square, shouting, "the army, the people one hand." Some in the crowd held up their hands in V-for-victory signs, shouting "the people want the end of the regime" and "Allahu akbar," or "God is great," a victory cry used by secular and religious people alike"
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 10, 2011 13:35:06 GMT -5
Latest , Latest..looks like Mubarak WILL step down...Obama to also speak right NOW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Egypt army takes charge, Mubarak to address nation By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Maggie Michael, Associated Press – 6 mins ago CAIRO – Egypt's military announced on national television it had stepped in to secure the country and promised protesters calling for President Hosni Mubarak's ouster that all their demands would soon be met. The CIA director said Mubarak appeared poised to hand over his powers to his vice president, Omar Suleiman. Tens of thousands of protesters packed in central Tahrir broke into chants of "We're almost there, we're almost there" and waved V-for-victory signs as thousands more flowed in to join them well after nightfall. But euphoria that they were nearing their goal of Mubarak's fall was tempered with worries that a military takeover could scuttle their wider demands for true democracy. Many vowed to continue protests. State television said Mubarak will speak to the nation Thursday night from his palace in Cairo. Information Minister Anas el-Fiqqi said he would not resign, state TV reported, and Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq said, "everything is in the hands of President Hosni Mubarak and no decisions have been taken yet." ------------------------------------------------------------------- {to read rest of article click on link }
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 11, 2011 2:44:46 GMT -5
No question about it, for those following this soap opera, any one not a least familiar with the happening must be one who has passed on some weeks ago. There has been so many twists and turns to the story, he's staying he's leaving . he's semi staying, nope staying but giving up the power. This article does a pretty good job of answer the questions on peoples minds and giving possible scenarios that may play out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110211/pl_yblog_exclusive/mubarak-stays-on-key-questions-and-answers--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mubarak stays on: Key questions and answers … By Yahoo! News yahoo! News – Thu Feb 10, 7:32 pm ET By Steve Clemons Egypt's Hosni Mubarak stunned protesters in Cairo and proved numerous reports wrong Thursday when he announced in a televised speech that he would not step down from the presidency or leave the country. Instead, he handed his powers over to Vice President Omar Suleiman. (Latest developments) Mubarak's surprising and confusing announcement raises numerous questions about what is happening in Egypt. Here are some answers: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article}
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Post by privateinvestor on Feb 11, 2011 7:16:16 GMT -5
Saw an interview with an "American/Egyptian" University student studying in Egypt. He has an Egyptian father, an American mother (from Ohio) who is protesting in the street with "his people". His Grandfather is/was an Egyptian Army General. ( I am not sure if he is still active) He is happy to continue his education in Egypt and is looking forward to the change that is coming. He calls himself an Egyptian/American, who will be happy to see his children and Grandchildren raised in Egypt. No mention of the USA. Why is it, that it seems like males who are mixed race Middle Eastern/American always consider themselves other than American? Because if they are muslims they may be disenchanted with our form of government and feel they are being prosecuted and discriminated against in OUR country....IMHO
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 2:37:37 GMT -5
Saw an interview with an "American/Egyptian" University student studying in Egypt. He has an Egyptian father, an American mother (from Ohio) who is protesting in the street with "his people". His Grandfather is/was an Egyptian Army General. ( I am not sure if he is still active) He is happy to continue his education in Egypt and is looking forward to the change that is coming. He calls himself an Egyptian/American, who will be happy to see his children and Grandchildren raised in Egypt. No mention of the USA. Why is it, that it seems like males who are mixed race Middle Eastern/American always consider themselves other than American? Because if they are muslims they may be disenchanted with our form of government and feel they are being prosecuted and discriminated against in OUR country....IMHO Thought this was a old one..still , I see a young man who is proud of his heritage ...feels comfortable there, a afinity possible..do you know how many Jewish Americans, love this country, yet have gone to live full time, permanently in Israel..there is something that they feel there that draws them..there are millions of people who live in countrys that are not their own..your making something out of nothing in a negative way when it is nothing of the kind..something you do a lot.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 2:43:44 GMT -5
Now that he has stepped down..the next question..how wealthy is he..were is the $....can Egypt get it back if stolen and if you are just a President for thirty years..a military officer before that..how do you get so rich and do it legally...unless you right the laws your self to benefit yourself and famyily..od so, then is that illegal? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- finance.yahoo.com/news/How-Hosni-Mubarak-Got-Filthy-usnews-3723955512.html?x=0------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ".How Hosni Mubarak Got So Rich There are no Mubaraks on the Forbes list of the world's richest people, but there sure ought to be. The mounting pressure from 18 days of historic protests finally drove Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak from office, after three decades as his nation's iron-fisted ruler. But over that time, Mubarak amassed a fortune that should finance a pretty comfortable retirement. The British Guardian newspaper cites Middle Eastern sources placing the wealth of Mubarak and his family at somewhere between $40 billion and $70 billion. That's a pretty good pension for government work. The world's richest man--Mexican business magnate Carlos Slim--is worth about $54 billion, by comparison. Bill Gates is close behind, with a net worth of about $53 billion. [See how to survive tax hikes and spending cuts.] Mubarak, of course, was a military man, not a businessman. But running a country with a suspended constitution for 30 years generates certain perks, and Mubarak was in a position to take a slice of virtually every significant business deal in the country, from development projects throughout the Nile basin to transit projects on the Suez Canal, which is a conduit for about 4 percent of the world's oil shipments. "There was no accountability, no need for transparency," says Prof. Amaney Jamal of Princeton University. "He was able to reach into the economic sphere and benefit from monopolies, bribery fees, red-tape fees, and nepotism. It was guaranteed profit." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read the article}
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 8:35:32 GMT -5
I find it interesting that Reza Pahlavi (Shah of Iran) was first married to King Farouk's daughter. Farouk was the King of Egypt in 1952 when the Free Officer's Movement (led by Nassar and Anwar Sadat) overthrew the King and caused the Egyptian Revolution. Sadat was the only one to take the Shah in 1980. Pahlavi is entombed in Cario. When DH and I visited Egypt almost two years ago we saw it when we visited the El Rifai Mosque.
For fun, read this wiki entry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Revolution and ask yourself if there isn't a bit of deja vu going on...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 11:40:09 GMT -5
When I was young and thought celebrity and fame were a worthy goal, a wiser friend taught me the error of my ways. At the time, the shah of Iran was forced to decamp from his country, one step ahead of a seething mob. My friend reminded me that all of the shah's friends and relatives were just as corrupt, and just as rich, but since no one ever heard of them, they could enjoy their ill-gotten gains in peace. many of them were executed..the same with the security forces and 100's of the high ranking generals...there were a few thousanf executed in that revelution....mny also left but there were major retributions..a similer take revelution as in Egypt..possible the President would be replaced but the religiouse leaders are not going to go if they can help it..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2011 12:02:01 GMT -5
I notice the people are not going home. They have revolution fever. Wonder what they will do next? Also noticed headlines about other countries in revolt today. www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/12/egypt-minister-idUSLDE71B0AZ20110212Feb 12 (Reuters) - Egyptian Information Minister Anas El-Fekky has been placed under house arrest, military sources said on Saturday. The sources did not give a reason. Fekky had been close to outgoing President Hosni Mubarak. Earlier in the day, security source at Cairo airport said some officials had been banned from leaving the country without permission from the state prosecutor or the armed forces. (Writing by Yasmine Saleh; Editing by Maria Golovnina www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41544506/ns/world_news-africa/400 arrested in Algeria at rally demanding reforms And look who's scared-- www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41547124/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/Palestinians to hold elections by September Americans that bash the USA make me angry. I am so grateful to be in this country.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 12:11:28 GMT -5
I notice the people are not going home. They have revolution fever. Wonder what they will do next? Also noticed headlines about other countries in revolt today. www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/12/egypt-minister-idUSLDE71B0AZ20110212Feb 12 (Reuters) - Egyptian Information Minister Anas El-Fekky has been placed under house arrest, military sources said on Saturday. The sources did not give a reason. Fekky had been close to outgoing President Hosni Mubarak. Earlier in the day, security source at Cairo airport said some officials had been banned from leaving the country without permission from the state prosecutor or the armed forces. (Writing by Yasmine Saleh; Editing by Maria Golovnina www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41544506/ns/world_news-africa/400 arrested in Algeria at rally demanding reforms And look who's scared-- www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41547124/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/Palestinians to hold elections by September Americans that bash the USA make me angry. I am so grateful to be in this country. The Palastinians , PA, announced elections to be held last week, I posted a article some where..think here , thread, would have to look back...yep see post # 122 Hamas said it would not participate..if they don't PA said elecions would be held on the Wwest bank alone , hunfreds of villages...Gaza election would be held in 30 or so areas,,much smaller. It's the weekend in Egypt ..still celebrating though they are clearing the barricades in the squae. Many governmental officials not being allowed the country ..Information director, close to Mubarak..under house arrest.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 15:14:09 GMT -5
As we move away from Egypt..we see desruptions starting else where...latest from Jordan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Demonstrations Erupt in Jordan’s Capital Friday, 11 Feb 2011 04:04 PM Article Font Size By Jim Meyers
As Hosni Mubarak finally stepped down as ruler of Egypt, hundreds of Jordanians gathered outside the Egyptian embassy in Amman on Friday to voice their support for the people of Egypt.
The demonstration was organized by the Islamic Action Front (IAF), the political arm of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Last week, Jordan’s King Abdullah responded to three weeks of anti-government demonstrations by firing his prime minister and appointing a new premier.But the IAF has refused to join the new government, saying it is “just like its predecessors,” according to Press TV.
Jordanian demonstrators had been careful not to directly attack the Jordanian royal family, since any criticism could results in a three-year prison sentence, The Washington Post reported.
But 36 tribes in the nation have reportedly issued a statement accusing Queen Rania, Abdullah’s wife, of “corruption.”
“We call on the king to return to the treasury land and farms given to the Yassin family (of the queen),” the tribal leaders said, according to Agence France-Presse reports.
The royal court responded on Friday with a statement condemning “in the strongest possible terms, the completely erroneous and defamatory statements about her majesty Queen Rania Al Abdullah of Jordan.”
The 36 people who signed the statement, according to the royal court, “are not leaders of the tribes to which they belong, and they do not represent the tens of thousands of people from these proud Jordanian tribes
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 17:36:49 GMT -5
A interesting artice dealing with what might have been going through Mubarks mind as the events in Egypt and cairo were unfolding ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2048708,00.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "What Was Mubarak Thinking? Inside the Mind of a Dictator" " There's always a voice in the dictator's brain that says you should get out now," Lustick says, "but the voices in the middle, the ones that are unsure, are the loudest, and that keeps him where he is. After a while, however, the dictator stops worrying about the longer-term future and instead worries about the near-term danger of being wrong. You saw the same thing from the Shah and Nicolae Ceausecu. They made all these speeches saying I'm never going to leave and then boom, suddenly they're gone." --------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2011 17:46:46 GMT -5
So who are the players for leader of Egypt now that Mubarak is gone. The military is now in charge but many feel , beyond wanting to protect their particuler agenda's ..which many feel are self serving, others feel are patriotic in design, they have said they are just a caretaker till the political procss plays out in free elections and if so , then who are the likely and unlikely players in that scenario. This article has some ideas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110212/wl_time/08599204878900------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ruling Egypt After Mubarak: Presidential Contenders Emerge Cairo – Sat Feb 12, 1:00 am ET Even before President Hosni Mubarak left office on Friday, a number of hats were already in the ring to succeed him. Egypt's political future remains in flux, and it's unclear how soon the emerging contenders will get to make their bids for the now vacant presidency. So far, the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces - to which Mubarak had ceded his authority - has simply decreed that the current government ministers would continue running things until new elections are held. It's quite possible, of course, that Mubarak appointees such as Vice President Omar Suleiman and Prime Minister Ahmed Shafik could seek the presidency. The ruling National Democratic Party is not yet dead, despite what many protesters insist. But amid the euphoria that has continued on the day after Mubarak's fall, many insist that a new era for Egyptian politics has begun, and that the fortunes of Suleiman and Shafik are waning. It may take six months to a year to organize a presidential election, analysts and party leaders say, but many predict that Mubarak's replacement will be the first Egyptian President chosen in a genuinely competitive election" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- {CLOCK ON THE LINK TO READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE}
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2011 2:39:39 GMT -5
Well that's the $64,000 question isn't it.
I'm still optimistic that the Egyptian people and government can get their act together and have elections in September as originally planned. But this time the elections can really be democratic. This will be a huge step because frankly Egypt has never been democratic. In the 20th century they went from a Kingdom to the 1952 revolution to be ruled by the 3 generals. I'm confident that they have the ability to do it; the hard part is to prevent what happened in Iraq where so much time and energy was spent on "payback" against the ruling party.
As distasteful as it will be to some, the orderly transfer of power depends on the new powers treating those who are in the existing bureaucracy well in order gain access to knowledge and to keep the country running vs splitting into rival parties conducting turf wars. Heck we in the US have problems with the orderly hand over from Dems to Repubs and vice versa and we've been doing it for a while!
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 2:41:18 GMT -5
Insders account..Mubaraks final Hours ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110212/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_mubarak_s_final_hours;_ylt=AjZRmynywEeD6AFXAge3VeIUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTNpNm02aGQwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwMjEyL21sX2VneXB0X211YmFyYWtfc19maW5hbF9ob3VycwRjY29kZQNtcF9lY184XzEwBGNwb3MDMgRwb3MDMgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA211YmFyYWtzZmluYQ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mubarak's final hours: Desperate bids to stay … .By MAGGIE MICHAEL and HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Maggie Michael And Hamza Hendawi, Associated Press – Sat Feb 12, 5:24 pm ET CAIRO – Hosni Mubarak was supposed to announce his resignation on Thursday. The Egyptian military expected it. The new head of his ruling party pleaded to him face-to-face to do it. But despite more than two weeks of massive demonstrations by protesters unmoved by lesser concessions, the president still didn't get it. Mubarak's top aides and family — including his son Gamal, widely viewed as his intended successor — told him he could still ride out the turmoil. So the televised resignation speech the rest of Egypt had expected became a stubborn — and ultimately humiliating — effort to cling to power. It only enraged protesters. On Friday, the military moved decisively. On Saturday, insiders in Egypt gave The Associated Press an initial picture of what happened in the hours before Egypt's "unoustable" leader of nearly 30 years fell. Some of them spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information" ----------------------------------------------------------------- {Click on link to read article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 11:05:13 GMT -5
Egyptian Military...suspends the constitution , dissolves Parliment..steps wanted by the Egyptian populace, next step, what to do with the security{police} forces... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110213/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt----------------------------------------------------------------------- Egypt's military rulers dissolve parliament By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Sarah El Deeb, Associated Press – 39 mins ago CAIRO – Egypt's military leaders dissolved parliament and suspended the constitution Sunday, meeting two key demands of protesters who have been keeping up pressure for immediate steps to transition to democratic, civilian rule after forcing Hosni Mubarak out of power ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The military ruling council said it will run the country for six months, or until presidential and parliament elections can be held. It said it was forming a committee to amend the constitution and set the rules for a popular referendum to endorse the amendments. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The caretaker Cabinet, which was appointed by Mubarak shortly after the pro-democracy protests began on Jan. 25, will remain in place until a new Cabinet is formed — a step that is not expected to happen until after elections. The ruling military council reiterated that it would abide by all of Egypt's international treaties agreed in the Mubarak era, most importantly the peace treaty with Israel" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 17:53:43 GMT -5
Now that the fireworks have died down...a change of pace....who says Israeli's have no sense of humor... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Posted on Facebook by an Israeli:
"Dear Egyptian rioters, please don't damage the pyramids. We will not rebuild. Thank you."
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 13, 2011 18:04:02 GMT -5
Dezi..., Bumping your own thread just so you can be right in the poll is not cool.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 18:40:11 GMT -5
Billison...I thought a bit of humor was in order , the topic was the same, the other was a separate thread, thought that was a bit much. As far as this thread..personally, I think it worked out well , one place not all over the place, followed the sequence pretty well, seemed a few looked in..for those not interested , know where not to go, a win, win to me...it's, the saga, not over by a long shot in my estimation so think it will, thread , be active for a while. When it's over, thinking of publishing it, how many copies can I put you down for?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 22:40:53 GMT -5
Well the square seems to be cleaned up, some painting and refurbishing..many who have jobs will be going to work tomottow, hope they get a good nights sleep..wonder if the birth rate takes a bit of a jump 9 months from now, like at the NY black out years ago but here back in the States it 's looking like it's time to play the blame game. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Breaking from Newsmax.com
Obama 'Furious' with Hillary State Dept. over Egypt
By Newsmax Wires
Is a civil war brewing between the Obama White House and Hillary Clinton's State Department?
A New York Times story published this weekend suggests one may already be erupting.
On Saturday, the Times, quoting numerous White House sources, sought to explain the Obama administration's erratic policy statements during the Egyptian crisis.
The paper reported that Obama was "seething" over statements made by State Department officials suggesting the administration did not want a quick transition of power in Egypt, with President Mubarak stepping down from his office immediately.
Obama felt the State Dept. "made it look as if the administration were protecting a dictator and ignoring the pleas of the youths of Cairo"
As Secretary Clinton and her special envoy Frank Wisner repeatedly called for an orderly transition that would include President Mubarak remaining in office for at least a period of time, Obama and his team studiously sought to undermine the State Dept. stance.
The Times states that Mr. Obama "was furious" by Clinton's and Wisner's statements, "as Mr. Obama was demanding that change in Egypt begin right away."
Secretary Clinton was not the only figure that opposed Obama's view. Clinton was joined by Vice President Joe Biden and Defense Secretary Robert Gates who were also advocating that Obama adhere to a cautious and more traditional foreign policy approach toward the situation in Egypt.
Unhappy by the mixed signals high ranking officials were giving, Obama directly intervened, telling White House advisers that "this was not the message we should be delivering.”
According to the Times, the Obama White House even "recruited" Democratic Sen. John Kerry to appear on "Meet the Press" last Sunday to contradict Wisner's statements which reflected Sec. Clinton's views. Kerry said on the program that Mr. Wisner’s comments “just don’t reflect where the administration has been from day one
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 23:16:32 GMT -5
Looks like the time for jokes are over, didn't last long...if this repot is correct and why shouldn't it be..it seems the Muslim Brother hood , when there are reasons will give orders to use violence to influence areas they feela re important to them as this article indicates. It seems the UN Sinai peace detachment that has been stationed in the Sinai since the peace was signed with Egypt, cinsists of American and Canadian forcs, is being pulled out, going to Germany Sinai has been demilitirized except for Egyptian police patrols since peace was initiated, though there are tunnels under the Canal so Egyptian forces can cross over by going under to get to the Sinai, according to this report/article ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ debka.com/article/20612/------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Egyptian troops enter Sinai to hunt Hamas intruders. Two captured DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 31, 2011, 1:24 PM ( Hamas bids to seize northern SinaiEgyptian reinforcements reached northern Sinai Monday, Jan. 31 to hunt down Hamas gunmen from the Gaza Strip battling Egyptian forces for control of the territory. Two were captured. debkafile's military sources report that the gunmen of Hamas's armed wing, Ezz e-Din al Qassam opened a second, Palestinian, front against the Mubarak regime on orders from Hamas' parent organization, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, confirmed by its bosses in Damascus. The Muslim Brotherhood is therefore more aggressively involved in the uprising than it would seem" -------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read th article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 13, 2011 23:29:35 GMT -5
Because of the thirty years of peace with Egypt , Israel has disbanded many of it's desert Brigades, the ones trained for Desert fighting , also if I remember from another article a while ago , cut their defense spending from about 30% of the budget to about 10%, will have to check that out, and their forces are geared more to face the mountains of Syria, east to Iran , and Hezballah then the great battles to the south with Egypt. Not sure why Iran is mentioned, have to go through Iraq and Jordan as well as US forces. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.debka.com/article/20660/-------------------------------------------------------------------- Israel's military caught unready for Sinai front. Tantawi is no friend DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis February 12, 2011, 10:33 AM : night, Feb. 11, as Cairo's Tahrir Square rejoiced over Hosni Mubarak exit, Israel counted the cost of losing its most important strategic partner in the region. Thirty-two years of peace with Egypt leave Israel militarily unprepared for the unknown and unexpected on their 270-kilometer long southern border: the current generation of Israeli combatants and commanders has no experience of desert combat, its armor is tailored for operation on its most hostile fronts: Iran, Lebanon's Hizballah and Syria; it is short of intelligence on the Egyptian army and its commanders and, above all, no clue to the new rulers' intentions regarding Cairo's future relations with Israel and security on their Sinai border. The Israeli Defense Forces are trained and equipped to confront Iran and fight on the mountainous terrain of Lebanon and Syria. After signing peace with Egypt in 1979, Israel scrapped the combat brigades trained for desert warfare, whose last battle was fought in the 1973 war, and stopped treating the Egyptian army as a target of military intelligence. Israel's high command consequently knows little or nothing about any field commanders who might lead units if they were to be deployed in Sinai" ---------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 1:03:20 GMT -5
Found a real good Article , current, that discusses what was , is and the future , Egypt, what was, is and future, Military of Egypt, the Brother Food but Middle East politically, what has changed, was , is , future and naturally Israel, was, is and faced with and what to do about it. Very encompassing, a easy read and puts a lot iof fears and thoughts into perspective of the now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2011/02/egypt-israel-and-strategic.html----------------------------------------------------------------------------- February 08, 2011 Egypt, Israel and a Strategic Reconsideration "Egypt, Israel and a Strategic Reconsideration is republished with permission of STRATFOR." By George Friedman The events in Egypt have sent shock waves through Israel. The 1978 Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel have been the bedrock of Israeli national security. In three of the four wars Israel fought before the accords, a catastrophic outcome for Israel was conceivable. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, credible scenarios existed in which the Israelis were defeated and the state of Israel ceased to exist. In 1973, it appeared for several days that one of those scenarios was unfolding" ----------------------------------------------------------------- Reconsidering the Israeli Position I have laid out the reasons why the 1978 treaty is in Egypt’s national interest. I have left out two pieces. The first is ideology. The ideological tenor of the Middle East prior to 1978 was secular and socialist. Today it is increasingly Islamist. Egypt is not immune to this trend, even if the Muslim Brotherhood should not be seen as the embodiment of that threat. Second, military technology, skills and terrain have made Egypt a defensive power for the past 33 years. But military technology and skills can change, on both sides. Egyptian defensiveness is built on assumptions of Israeli military capability and interest. As Israeli ideology becomes more militant and as its capabilities grow, Egypt may be forced to reconsider its strategic posture. As new generations of officers arise, who have heard of war only from their grandfathers, the fear of war declines and the desire for glory grows. Combine that with ideology in Egypt and Israel and things change. They won’t change quickly — a generation of military transformation will be needed once regimes have changed and the decisions to prepare for war have been made — but they can change. Two things from this should strike the Israelis. The first is how badly they need peace with Egypt. It is easy to forget what things were like 40 years back, but it is important to remember that the prosperity of Israel today depends in part on the treaty with Egypt. Iran is a distant abstraction, with a notional bomb whose completion date keeps moving. Israel can fight many wars with Egypt and win. It need lose only one. The second lesson is that Israel should do everything possible to make certain that the transfer of power in Egypt is from Mubarak to the next generation of military officers and that these officers maintain their credibility in Egypt. Whether Israel likes it or not, there is an Islamist movement in Egypt. Whether the new generation controls that movement as the previous one did or whether they succumb to it is the existential question for Israel. If the treaty with Egypt is the foundation of Israel’s national security, it is logical that the Israelis should do everything possible to preserve it. This was not the fatal heart attack. It might not even have been more than indigestion. But recent events in Egypt point to a long-term problem with Israeli strategy. Given the strategic and ideological crosscurrents in Egypt, it is in Israel’s national interest to minimize the intensity of the ideological and make certain that Israel is not perceived as a threat. In Gaza, for example, Israel and Egypt may have shared a common interest in containing Hamas, and the next generation of Egyptian officers may share it as well. But what didn’t materialize in the streets this time could in the future: an Islamist rising. In that case, the Egyptian military might find it in its interest to preserve its power by accommodating the Islamists. At this point, Egypt becomes the problem and not part of the solution. Keeping Egypt from coming to this is the imperative of military dispassion. If the long-term center of gravity of Israel’s national security is at least the neutrality of Egypt, then doing everything to maintain that is a military requirement. That military requirement must be carried out by political means. That requires the recognition of priorities. The future of Gaza or the precise borders of a Palestinian state are trivial compared to preserving the treaty with Egypt. If it is found that a particular political strategy undermines the strategic requirement, then that political strategy must be sacrificed. In other words, the worst-case scenario for Israel would be a return to the pre-1978 relationship with Egypt without a settlement with the Palestinians. That would open the door for a potential two-front war with an intifada in the middle. To avoid that, the ideological pressure on Egypt must be eased, and that means a settlement with the Palestinians on less-than-optimal terms. The alternative is to stay the current course and let Israel take its chances. The question is where the greater safety lies. Israel has assumed that it lies with confrontation with the Palestinians. That’s true only if Egypt stays neutral. If the pressure on the Palestinians destabilizes Egypt, it is not the most prudent course. There are those in Israel who would argue that any release in pressure on the Palestinians will be met with rejection. If that is true, then, in my view, that is catastrophic news for Israel. In due course, ideological shifts and recalculations of Israeli intentions will cause a change in Egyptian policy. This will take several decades to turn into effective military force, and the first conflicts may well end in Israeli victory. But, as I have said before, it must always be remembered that no matter how many times Israel wins, it need only lose once to be annihilated. To some it means that Israel should remain as strong as possible. To me it means that Israel should avoid rolling the dice too often, regardless of how strong it thinks it is. The Mubarak affair might open a strategic reconsideration of the Israeli position --------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 14, 2011 20:24:36 GMT -5
Every one is wondering where Mubaraks money has gone..stop worrying , guess what..if this is correct..it's been found..poor Egyptians , to get it from here, lots of luck -------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.debka.com/article/20666/-------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mubarak moves vast assets from Europe to Saudi Arabia DEBKAfile Exclusive Report February 14, 2011, 2:28 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Egypt Egyptian mililtary Mubarak Saudi king Abdullah Mubarak salvages financial fortune with Saudi helpHosni Mubarak and his family have moved a large part of their assets – guesstimated at between $20 and $70 billion - from European banks to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Republics against personal guarantees from King Abdullah and Sheik Al Nahyan to block access to outside parties.This is reported by Gulf and West European sources. Tunisian ex-ruler Zein Al Abdain Ben Ali received the same guarantee when he fled his country and received asylum in the oil kingdom. A Swiss financial source commented: "If he had any real money in Zurich, it may be gone by now" --------------------------------------------------------------------- {click on link to read article}
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 14, 2011 23:54:09 GMT -5
Dezi, riddle me this: Now that the military is in charge, why was it necessary to suspend the Egyptian Constitution Disolved Parliment A miltary council will rule for 6 months
Most would consider this a mitary coup de tat, not a people's revolution Egypt will not become a Democracy this year. And why worry about Mubarak's billions? What dictator anywhere in history did not steal their homeland blind?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 0:40:05 GMT -5
Had to suspend..this is a nation..the constituttion , as ours, is what is the basis of how the country is run, even a poor constitution. All laws ran through the President. Nothing legally could be done that way. It was discussed on a article I read today, if I can find it I will post it. They couldn't move him, replace him , definitly could NOT dismiss Parliment, very important there, oly by shelving the Constitution. There are democracys and there are Democracys. Just read the posts here how people feel towad our present government and to be fair back in the day, the previouse one, and before, and before. Your right on what he stole if it was a billion or so , ok. Supposedly a lot of his money was gotten, don't want to say earned, in deals that he got profits on , % of deals for had his ok on, land deals, illegally yes , under tables , remember in power for 30 years but it seems , less of thaking from the peoples pockets directly, though I am sure there might have been some of that too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2011 2:11:17 GMT -5
Agree that constitution had to be suspended. My recollection from an article I read was that the constitution would only allow the army to rule for 60 days. Presumably this works o.k. for an assassination but not a revolution.
I still think they could pull it together for a September election but perhaps a year is more realistic. In any case they will need to show some real progress by the time September rolls around because people won't wait that long.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 15, 2011 2:24:42 GMT -5
Your right ..not sure about the 60 ays , by suspending it actually they are not under it, I will find it, article will explain in detail why they did what they did from a legal stand point. This is a interesting one, about a possible scenario. It isn't over there yet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/2011213134458448460.html----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Egypt's revolution has just begun The transition to civilian rule will not be easy - if the military are capable of delivering on their promises. Adrian Crewe Egyptian soldiers form a barricade to stop pedestrians in Tahrir Square as 'normal life' resumes. But will the military also block the path to a civilian-led democracy? [GALLO/GETTY] "Whatever happens, nothing will ever be the same again" – Tahrir Square demonstrator. Mubarak has fallen. February 11, 2011, has inscribed itself on the page of world history. Now the struggle for the 'heart and soul' of the revolution begins. It's a testing time, and all will be tested. Test 1: Procedural and institutional change – the establishment of legality At what point will the uprising be sufficiently secure from counter-revolution to begin construction of a truly transformed democratic polity? What are the minimum security requirements for its immediate defence and subsequent extension? What structural changes will have to be demanded - and fought through to a successful conclusion – in order to neutralise and dis-articulate the still formidable powers of the Mubarak state and its - temporarily silenced - backer ------------------------------------------------------------------ {click on link to go to article"
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 17, 2011 16:15:47 GMT -5
While not on the front pages and no round the clock CNN coverage, the Middle East turmoil is still going on. This article brings us up to date, asks and attempts to answer questions that are being asked as to where do we go from here and what is the likelihood, the players who are active and what the US response may, should and possible will be. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110217/pl_yblog_exclusive/anti-government-protests-spread-key-questions-and-answers--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ". . Anti-government protests spread: Key questions and answers Thu Feb 17, 10:29 am ET By Steve Clemons Successful anti-government uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt have inspired protesters to demand leadership changes in Iran, Yemen, Jordan, Libya and Bahrain. Riot police stormed a protest camp in Manama, Bahrain, overnight, and medical officials reported four people were killed. There also are reports that more than a dozen demonstrators have been killed in Libya. The spread of unrest across North Africa and the Mideast raises many questions about where the region is headed and what U.S. policy should be. Here are some answers: Is the government of any other country likely to be overthrown, as in Egypt? It's not easy to see which governments may fall or survive this current trend, but it seems entirely reasonable that many of the regimes in North Africa and the Mideast are going to be seriously challenged and that one or more will probably change leadership in the near term. Much of the region is wobbly right now. Some that seem more wobbly at the moment include Bahrain, Yemen, Morocco, Jordan, even Iran. But these states have different government structures and different methods of controlling their publics. Iran's army, for instance, already has shown an unwillingness to play the same role in these revolts that the Egyptian army did. While there are many different grievances driving those protesting, one of the key issues is economic. Egypt, for example, has more than 40 percent of its population living at or below world poverty levels, and like much of the region has a "youth bulge" of many young people coming of work age with few or no jobs for them. But basic rights also are part of this widespread ripple that some are calling a "dignity revolution."" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- {Click on link for rest of article}
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