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Post by ed1066 on Feb 3, 2011 14:39:22 GMT -5
You seem not to understand. The Palestinian Authority has only one governing body, not two. It used to be Fatah, the party of Abbas, now it is Hamas, the party of genocide. Fatah may have some influence in the West Bank, but they are not in charge. There are not two separate governments...why is this hard for you to understand?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 15:12:06 GMT -5
Lots of journalists were attacked yesterday. I've been watching CNN coverage the last few days, mainly. I saw footage of Anderson Cooper and his team being attacked by pro-gov't people, and lots of bloody people, one a journalist. Today the army rounded up journalists-- for their own safety, they say. Some are angry at attempts to silence the media. I was watching really late last night. Cooper and his team were on a floor, in poor lighting, away from windows, as they had been warned to do so for their own safety. Then the pics of the wild horsemen and a guy on a camel racing througfh the crowds beating them with sticks, and a police van running over people... I got spooked and had to stop watching.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 15:22:03 GMT -5
Then I heard some fool say that this is what happens in a western style gov't, while people were screaming "jihad".......... UH........NO!!! We got mad as hell, and took to the streets in peaceful assembly, then worked our will in the voting booths. They are going to try to defend Sharia type of gov't and law by claiming our type of law leads to jihad?? That makes no sense. This is all so strange to watch unfold. One thing I know, I will never wear a burka. I also have no plans to learn to speak some Chinese language. I'm glad we have a strong military, and I hope we never get wimped down to the point of NOT having one.
I also heard several times people saying in the mobs of anti gov't protesters that "We hate Israel, and we hate the USA. They are our enemies." This global thing is working out REAL well, isn't it? We actually give these people our tax money while we have millions out of work.... it's crazy.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 15:24:41 GMT -5
You seem not to understand. The Palestinian Authority has only one governing body, not two. It used to be Fatah, the party of Abbas, now it is Hamas, the party of genocide. Fatah may have some influence in the West Bank, but they are not in charge. There are not two separate governments...why is this hard for you to understand? ---------------------------------------------------------- I do understand ed and I believe you do too and why you continue with the misinformation is beyond me..there are two parties, think Dems/Pubs..a lot more violent with each other , though from the verbal shown here, not that different. Something I had just found out , there is a huge security presence in the PA, very reminiscing to the old party of Arafat, coercion, keeping demonstrations to a minimum with jailing and mis treatment of those who are in custody, suggested amount of the populace of the West bank involved in security, {spying on citizens too} as high as 30 %. One thing that is not happening in both Gaza and the West Bank, is food shortages..Egyptians who visit can't get over the amount and selection of food stuffs available for purchase..another problem that the Egyptians have..last just a aside , to throw into the post as the same old argument , which is wrong on Hamas and the PA , is getting old.{sigh}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 15:28:48 GMT -5
Differences of different political parties middle East..primarily regarding Palestinian --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The most salient differences between Fatah, Hamas, and Hizbollah is perhaps two-fold. First, Fatah and Hamas are groups that are directly associated with Palestinian politics and the daily lives of Palestinians. Fatah is based out of the West Bank, while Hamas is based out of Gaza. Hizbollah (sometimes spelled Hezbollah) is based in Lebanon, supported by Iran, and plays a less direct role in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel. Perhaps the second most salient difference between these three groups is that the West formally identifies Hizbollah and Hamas as terrorist groups, unlike Fatah. Yet another difference between these three groups is based on religious differences. Both Hamas and Fatah are predominately Sunni Muslim, whereas Hizbollah has its roots in the Shia denomination of Islam" ------------------------------------------------------------ www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-hamas-hizbollah-and-fatah.htm--------------------------------------------------------- Definition of Hamas Party ----------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas---------------------------------------------------- "In the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Parliament,[17] defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. Following the elections, the United States and the EU halted financial assistance to the Hamas-led administration.[18] In March 2007 a national unity government, headed by Prime Minister Ismail Haniya of Hamas, was briefly formed, but this failed to restart international financial assistance.[19] Tensions over control of Palestinian security forces soon erupted into the 2007 Battle of Gaza,[19] after which Hamas retained control of Gaza while its officials were ousted from government positions in the West Bank.[19] Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah forces were no longer providing security there" ------------------------------------------------------ Definiion of who the Palestinian Authority party is ----------------------------------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority--------------------------------------------------------------- "The PNA has received financial assistance from the European Union and the United States (approximately USD $1 bln. combined in 2005). All direct aid was suspended on 7 April 2006 as a result of the Hamas victory in parliamentary elections.[9][10] Shortly thereafter, aid payments resumed, but were channeled directly to the offices of Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank.[11] Conflict between Hamas and Fatah later in 2006 resulted in Hamas taking exclusive control over the administration of all PNA institutions in the Gaza Strip. Since 9 January 2009, when Mahmoud Abbas' term as President was supposed to have ended and elections were to have been called, Hamas supporters and many in the Gaza Strip have withdrawn recognition for his Presidency and instead consider Aziz Dweik, who served as the speaker of the house in the Palestinian Legislative Council, to be the acting President until new elections can be held.[12][13] No Western financial assistance is given to the PNA authorities in Gaza and Western governments do not recognize anyone but Abbas to be the President" --------------------------------------------------- "After the takeover in Gaza by Hamas on 14 June 2007, Palestinian Authority Chairman Abbas dismissed the government and on 15 June 2007 appointed Salam Fayad Prime Minister to form a new government. Though the new government's authority is claimed to extend to all Palestinian territories, in effect it is limited to the Palestinian Authority controlled areas of the West Bank. The Fayad government has won widespread international support. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia said in late June 2007 that the West Bank-based Cabinet formed by Fayad was the sole legitimate Palestinian government, and Egypt moved its embassy from Gaza to the West Bank.[25] Hamas, which has effective control of the Gaza Strip, faces international diplomatic and economic isolation." ---------------------------------------------------------- There are the links for those who really want to try and understand the differences of who is ruling and in charge in the two areas of the territories, the West bank " and "Gaza " . There are two partys, one considered a terorist organization by most/many countries and the other not, thus aid going to the one over the other from Western Countries..I believe aid going to the other from Iran, and possible the Saudis but not sure about that. Ed , you can keep on with your suggesting one and both are the same but it's not so. If you want to criticize the "wicki " your free to do so of course but most researchers are comfortable with the information posted on their sites , even if at times not complete, but here it's pretty complete, and there are other links to find for those who are interested.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 20:24:30 GMT -5
This is a great article..questions are asked that we all are asking and wondering about ... and well thought out responses . It might answer some of the questions you hav on the topic and give you and i a better understanding of what is really happening, and possible solutions and happenibngs over the next period of time. I highly recommend it/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110203/pl_yblog_exclusive/turmoil-in-egypt-rages-key-questions-and-answers------------------------------------------------------------------ Turmoil in Egypt rages: Key questions and answers One of the questions posed in the article..click on link for the rest. --------------------------------------------------------------------- What can the United States do to influence Mubarak and the situation within Egypt? American influence over President Hosni Mubarak and the situation in Egypt is often overstated. The dynamics at play in protests against the government are like an enormous storm and the United States can't do much to change its course. That said, the U.S. provides about $1.5 billion in aid to Egypt, $1.2 billion of which goes to the military, which also has excellent relations with the U.S. defense establishment and Pentagon. Withdrawing the aid could harm the Israel-Egypt equation and diminish influence with the military. Thus, the real influence that the United States has is through international opinion, focusing a spotlight on abuses and Egypt's fake democracy
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 11:17:08 GMT -5
"Day of Leaving ".....what the populace are calling today...after prayers , crowd rose and started chanting , "Leave, Leave, Leave"...the Defense chief visited the square..talking and arguing with protestors..suggsting they have gotten most of what they want, suggested go home and let those in charge work it out...Military helping to make sure no weapons into the square..not seeing any violence such as happened last few days, however it seems the news folks still don't feel safe ingoing into the square according to the video on TV right now..Latest events, to read all just click on the link... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110204/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Egypt protesters throng square after violence By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Hamza Hendawi, Associated Press – 52 mins ago CAIRO – Tens of thousands packed central Cairo Friday, waving flags and singing the national anthem, emboldened in their campaign to oust President Hosni Mubarak after they repelled pro-regime attackers in two days of bloody street fights. The U.S. was pressing Egypt for an immediate start to democratic transition, including a proposal for Mubarak to step down immediately. Thousands including families with children flowed over bridges across the Nile into Tahrir Square, a sign that they were not intimidated after fending off everything thrown at them by pro-Mubarak attackers — storms of hurled concrete, metal rebar and firebombs, fighters on horses and camels and automatic gunfire barrages. In the wake of the violence, more detailed scenarios were beginning to emerge for a transition to democratic rule after Mubarak's nearly 30-year authoritarian reign. The Obama administration said it was discussing several possibilities with Cairo — including one for Mubarak to leave office now and hand over power to a military-backed transition" {to read rest of article just click on link} --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 12:14:16 GMT -5
Latest from the square..7.04 PM, it's now dark in Egypt, it seems the violence is back between the anti and pro Mubarak forces..many casualties, beatings..so it is not all nice and peaceful...still no live TN from the square.. Revolutions seem to be messy...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 17:00:27 GMT -5
watching Fox now...they report that ther are those in Congress calling for aid to be cancelled from us tot he Egyptians...to me that is premature...a meddling into their affairs and moght push the Military to take sides and the siddide might be to support amubarak against the protestors and even get them to rethink their feelings toward Israel , Hamas . The President is charged with conducting foreign policy, allways has been that way from the time of Washington..thinking and demands coming from Vongress is just not productive..that's the only big stick we have , should be saved, there is so much going on, there is the canal, shipping...
This is a crucial time..to over react now is not the way to go..
Another station had a commentator from the UK who was asked to place himself in Mubaraks shoes as he watched Fridays demonstrations come to a end , what might he be seeing, thinking..
His repley as Mubarak.." Good I survived for ten days, Monday is coming quickly, people have to go back to work, senior leadership of the military still not committing, actually in support of a gradual change..possible get security forces back doing what they do...talking to the opposition...will leave at some time but the immediacy is lessening.."
Oh lord Beck dressed as Moses with his staff is on, more doom and gloom...by Mr Moses...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 5, 2011 8:35:57 GMT -5
New article that deals with the problems the President, Obama, has in dealing with the Egyptian uprising for political change. It suggests that you are damned if you do and damned if you dont...answers some questions for those who are either supporting his, the Presidents , decisions on the event and those who don't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110205/ts_yblog_thelookout/time-for-mubarak-to-go-why-obama-hedges------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Mubarak has said he'll go in September, when elections are scheduled. But for the hundreds of thousands of protesters who thronged Tahrir Square again today, that's not good enough. So why won't Obama call for Mubarak to leave office now? To help answer that question, The Lookout spoke to Daniel Levy, co-director of the Middle East Task Force at the New America Foundation. Levy explained that there are some legitimate constraints on what Obama can prudently do and say. To start, Levy said, he doesn't have the power to make Mubarak leave. "President Obama cannot wave a magic wand and get Mubarak onto a plane or into a retirement home," Levy said. "America has leverage, but it's not decisive leverage." It's possible that Mubarak will hang on until September. "Right now, it looks like the regime is trying to play a game of digging in and sitting this thing out," he said. That means a call by Obama for Mubarak to leave office could prove unsuccessful—which would be disastrous for America's negotiating power going forward. "If you play that card unsuccessfully, there's not a lot more you can do," Levy said. "You are very limited in your next escalatory move." -------------------------------------------------------------- {Click on link to read the whole article}
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 5, 2011 8:54:12 GMT -5
Hamas members blow up the Gas pipe line that supplies Israel with 25% of it's natural gas and also affects Jordan, who gets 80 % of it's gas supplies from Egypt, all used for power production.oth countries will have to use heavy oil and coal to continue energy production, more expensive plus not environmentaly as friendly. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.debka.com/article/20633/----------------------------------------------------------------- Hamas blows up Egypt-Israel-Jordan gas pipeline. Supply cutoff indefinite " Egyptian-Israel gas pipleline sabotaged The pipeline supplying Egyptian gas to Israel and Jordan was blown up near the North Sinai town of El Arish early Saturday Feb. 5. Egyptian state TV reported "terrorists" had carried out the attack which caused a huge explosion and fire. Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu conferred urgently with Infrastructure Minister Uzi Landau and energy firms over the abrupt cutoff of 25 percent of Israel's gas needs and ordered security beefed up at energy installations." ------------------------------------------------------------------ {click on link to read the rest of the article}
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 5, 2011 13:38:50 GMT -5
From a domestic standpoint: This could be Obama's defining moment. The situation seems to be getting more complex and implications for the US are becoming more urgent. It seems, to me, that the situation, while not appearing desperate, is becoming more complex and relationships the US depends on may be compromised. It is almost odd that the world is sitting around twiddling its thumbs while "Rome burns." Whatever happened to the "New World Order"?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2011 14:44:44 GMT -5
One dead journalist, many beaten and detained, assassination attempt on the new VP days ago, reported, 2 bodyguards killed, now being denied... protesters say no way they are leaving... I saw 3 Egyptian Youth Movement guys interviewed. They say this is a youth movement, they will not stop, they want Mubarak gone, but really have no idea who they want in, since it has been so long-- their lifetimes and longer, since there have BEEN fair elections. That seems a little chaotic to me. I mean, I understand the passion of youth, but these guys need a PLAN. Someone has to step up. I can't imagine how horrible this is for their economy.... how are they getting food, etc?? And-- why aren't they worried about it running out? If the protesters stay, which they say they will-- how long until all supplies run out and the real killing starts?? This is all so scary. Once again, I thank God that I had the good fortune to be born American.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 5, 2011 14:54:49 GMT -5
While most of Egyptians are effectively illiterate, there has been an increase in higher education which has been taken advantage of mainly by the middle-class. It is those who are driving the protests. There are no jobs for them. Now, these people have no idea what they want, they are just dissatisfied with what is. There is a lesson here. If capitalism [not socialism and crony capitalism] had been encouraged, there likely would have been more [perhaps enough] jobs for these frustrated young people with education and skills, but no job or possibility of jobs. Egypt is socialist. They have universal health care. How could they possibly have gone wrong? Is it possible we could learn something here?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 5, 2011 16:39:00 GMT -5
While most of Egyptians are effectively illiterate, there has been an increase in higher education which has been taken advantage of mainly by the middle-class. It is those who are driving the protests. There are no jobs for them. Now, these people have no idea what they want, they are just dissatisfied with what is. There is a lesson here. If capitalism [not socialism and crony capitalism] had been encouraged, there likely would have been more [perhaps enough] jobs for these frustrated young people with education and skills, but no job or possibility of jobs. Egypt is socialist. They have universal health care. How could they possibly have gone wrong? Is it possible we could learn something here? Good point and something I was thinking about. One of the commentators, believe it was Fouad Ajami, said he, Mubarak, had 12 good years as president and 18 years of not good leadership. I don't know if the figure of his squirreling away $70 Billion..seems a bit high..is correct..Reported on Fox, it is estimated, but I am sure he has plenty and his supporters too, very well set for life and beyond. \He and they, supporters, could have been done more to promote a better standard of living for his people..no excuse that a nation like this has a 75% illiteracy rate, 40 % of the population living in poverty, 2/3 $ per day, high unemployment and as you pointed out unemployment of the lucky ones who did get educated, no jobs to speak of. I am not saying that the uprising wouldn't have taken place but I wonder. Was it necessary to have a brutal police force, spies through out the country in the #'s that were there, a military that no one was going to threaten, yet so many $ were spent on. He could have had all the perks , power, prestige and also done so much more for his people. When he took control after Sadat , the population was about 45 million, today it's 85 million. Once he signed the peace treaty, he could have called on the Israeli's to help his country with education, industries, training, agriculture improvements, made a concerted effort to get the average Egyptian to change their feelings toward them, the Israeli's instead of still fostering the hatred. Granted the Palestinian problem was still there, but the Israeli's have shown they are great teachers and are able to spread modern teaching in agriculture, health , government, and modern ways of doing things, they did it for years in African countries till forced to leave. Mubarak was not a real leader ..he was a despot and the sooner he leaves and is forgotten the better it will be for the Egyptians , even though what comes is still unknown.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 5, 2011 19:52:35 GMT -5
It was once pointed out to me that, "Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.' The point being that if you stay in an office [position] long enough, there will be an increasing number who want you gone, including those who'd like your office [position]. Mubarak pretty much had to keep an active secret service because he didn't want to end up like his predecessor, Anwar Sadat. The Muslim Brotherhood is the cover organization for murderous radical organizations. Some won't even consider that, but the evidence is all there. There are radical groups operating in the US and have been infiltrating particularly higher education for decades. Some of those have been identified [Sammie Al Arion], but what has not been publicized is that the organizations which supported them are still in place. an Associated Press/ABC Action News report 2/20/03 netwmd.com/anti-ism/USF%20professor%20Sami%20Al-Arian%20arrested%20on%20terror%20charges.htmI've come to simply dismiss the "lefties." I've dealt with them first hand and they're hopeless. Yep. They sympathize with just about anyone who hates the US ~ not a Republican among them, but many are Democratic activists.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 6, 2011 0:50:17 GMT -5
It was once pointed out to me that, "Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.' The point being that if you stay in an office [position] long enough, there will be an increasing number who want you gone, including those who'd like your office [position]. Mubarak pretty much had to keep an active secret service because he didn't want to end up like his predecessor, Anwar Sadat. The Muslim Brotherhood is the cover organization for murderous radical organizations. Some won't even consider that, but the evidence is all there. There are radical groups operating in the US and have been infiltrating particularly higher education for decades. Some of those have been identified [Sammie Al Arion], but what has not been publicized is that the organizations which supported them are still in place. an Associated Press/ABC Action News report 2/20/03 netwmd.com/anti-ism/USF%20professor%20Sami%20Al-Arian%20arrested%20on%20terror%20charges.htmI've come to simply dismiss the "lefties." I've dealt with them first hand and they're hopeless. Yep. They sympathize with just about anyone who hates the US ~ not a Republican among them, but many are Democratic activists. The Brother hoods wants and objectives are not what I want to see..and they definitely were into the terror back in the day, most recently in the murders at the valley of the kings in the 60's or was it 70's and I think they were the ones who assassinated Sedat...today they say they are fundamentalist but not violent, they preach that , yet are wanting the Egyptians Military to go to war again with Israel. strange way to show non violence to me. Begin , e old PM of Israel was also considered a terrorist when he headed up the Igun when they were trying to get the Brits to leave the country, then Palestine ..but that was a different case and once they were gone, the Brits , he merged the Irgun, after a few battles with them into the Haganah..the prelude to the IDF..the Israeli armed forces of today. Muslim brotherhood..the talking say Egyptians , erage man not in favor of them, yet they are organized, as many as 30% of the population support them, the Military supposedly not, but who knows but rather then keep them a underground political party , they are being asked to participate and if remember Nazi's never had a majority either yet we know what happened there. Since the average Egyptian has no love for the Israeli's or Israel and it's been thirty years since they had gone to war with them, the memories of those defeats may be dim..possible with the hatred , many would like to try again.especially the young who consists of 50% of the population, never experienced war or defeats. What ever happens , it will never be the same again, the mutual cooperation that a dictator can do but a freer government can't..just make unilateral decisions with no opposition..but that day has passed. Israel is more alone now...again.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 6, 2011 12:30:21 GMT -5
A new article that deals with America's problems with the war against terrorist that is arising from the upheaval and the future changes in Egypt..and possible other changes that might come about in the Middle East..though there might be some good coming out of it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110206/ap_on_re_us/us_mideast_unrest_terrorism------------------------------------------------------------------- "WASHINGTON – The unrest engulfing Arab streets and threatening authoritarian governments in the Mideast is complicating U.S. counterterrorism efforts, scrambling the volatile battleground against al-Qaida in Yemen and raising concerns about the durability of Egypt's stance against militants" -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Despite the likely tensions looming, Mudd and some other terrorism experts say the turbulence in Cairo, Sana'a and elsewhere in the Mideast and North Africa raises hopes that al-Qaida's momentum may be overtaken by democratic impulses. "Al-Qaida sees themselves as revolutionaries," Mudd said. "But the rise of the pro-democracy protests on the Arab street might take the air out of the balloon in terms of their recruiting. It siphons off their youth recruits." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- {For the rest of the article click on the link}
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 6, 2011 13:00:19 GMT -5
There is one thing that you can hang your hat on and that is the army. If the Egyptian army holds togather and does not fracture there will be an orderly transition. The new leadership will need the support of the army. this has been a tradition in Egypt for years. However if the army should fracture it could be a long bloody process. For Egypt the current leader of the army is the best bet. He is more pro democratic than most coalitions now there. I have done business in Egypt and they as a whole are a lovly people, I feel sad to see this happening there.
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"Despite the likely tensions looming, Mudd and some other terrorism experts say the turbulence in Cairo, Sana'a and elsewhere in the Mideast and North Africa raises hopes that al-Qaida's momentum may be overtaken by democratic impulses.
"Al-Qaida sees themselves as revolutionaries," Mudd said. "But the rise of the pro-democracy protests on the Arab street might take the air out of the balloon in terms of their recruiting. It siphons off their youth recruits."
I like that idea! I well remember the passions of youth. I was such a rebel, but right under the age of the REAL hippies, they were our slightly older brothers dying in Vietnam, not MY friends. Fortunately I never ran in to any dangerous ideology, or who knows-- I may have jumped right on the bandwagon. People my age just shook our fists, smoked lots of weed, and generally ran wild.. not really sure why.. Most of us grew up. But some of us went to college, hooked up with people like Bill Ayers, and went on to prison (or Washington). Hopefully these youth in the streets in Egypt can find some positive outlet for their passion.
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www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egypt-suppresses-memories-of-massacre-in-the-valley-of-queens-721884.html [The massacre occurred Nov 18, 1997] Egypt suppresses memories of massacre in the Valley of Queens By Robert Fisk in the Valley of the Queens, Egypt,Saturday, 11 March 2000 We were standing before the Colossi of Memnon when I noticed a tourist guide being questioned by plain-clothes members of the Egyptian state security police. He was showing them a copy of an article in the Egyptian daily newspaper Al Ahram, in which he recounted his own memories of the massacre three years ago. "French spoken", it said on a label on his jacket. So I talked to him in French, much to the annoyance of the officers. It was a simple story. He had been on his way to the Valley of the Queens when he had heard of the killings and one of his tourists had fainted........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 13:26:50 GMT -5
Funny thing, that TRUTH stuff. Sometimes gov'ts get it all wrong.....
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 6, 2011 16:19:50 GMT -5
"Israel is more alone now...again." Naturally.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 6, 2011 16:56:28 GMT -5
It is sad to see this happening in Egypt, handyman. It's been a stabilizing influence in that area for so many years. I also agree with regard to the people of Egypt. They really are lovely people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 17:02:58 GMT -5
I feel physically ill when I hear all of the people that want to abandon Israel. To me it seems like promoting genocide. Makes me sick. BUT-- no matter what-- MY personal opinions will never cause me to feel drenched in blood if the haters ever manage to wipe Israel and her Jewish people off the face of the earth, because my voice will never be heard among the ones that want us to abandon Israel.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 6, 2011 17:10:39 GMT -5
I feel physically ill when I hear all of the people that want to abandon Israel. To me it seems like promoting genocide. Makes me sick. BUT-- no matter what-- MY personal opinions will never cause me to feel drenched in blood if the haters ever manage to wipe Israel and her Jewish people off the face of the earth, because my voice will never be heard among the ones that want us to abandon Israel. If the unthinkable ever came about, I guarantee you and I, our descendants more likely, would be effected..they will not go quietly into the dust bin of history as their fore bearers did back in the day...I guarantee you..lets think nice thoughts.
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Post by ugonow on Feb 6, 2011 17:12:03 GMT -5
I loved it when Huckabee told Helen Thomas it was she that should go home and produced written proof in the Bible showing God gave the land to the Jews,not the Muslims.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 17:22:46 GMT -5
Huck is a good man. Been in Israel all week, or it seems like all week, while the whole world is watching Egypt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2011 17:36:58 GMT -5
Yeah, Dez- it is scary. That's why I really don't want a bunch of jihadists to control nations. They don't care about dying, remember. Hopefully that will never happen, but it could if people over there are not careful. Okay-- happy thoughts...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 7, 2011 12:53:24 GMT -5
There seems to be some real legal problems that would arise if Mubarak just stepped down immediately, the biggest one seems that the way the Egyptian Constitution is set up, and their laws. Mubarak has to sign off on all changes, the succession, the VP here is not the next one in line, elections, Now it's set up where Mubarak has to give the OK for opposition parties to be eligible to run and on and on.. Army seems to want to let Mubarak stay till September, though in negotiations with opposition it was brought up for Mubarak to step down in June for medical reason, probably actually correct , with safety guarantees for he and his family, and in turn get him to sign off on the constitutional changes. That has split the opposition thought the ons in the square and the Brother hood seem to reject that proposition. Ehile some might say "just get him gone", unless the change over turns into a mob change over, to have it done legally, if that is the real purpose of the holdup of the change over, that is not a bad thing and if the June step down of Mubarak is true, that's only five months that if lefitimate on the changes, gives time to get the eggs all up in a row and the behind work for a peaceful change over in place. I wonder how much truth there is to this feeling. ......................................................................................... www.debka.com/article/20639/---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Behind the attempts to restore life in Egypt to normal for the first time since protesters took to the streets 13 days ago, three contests with the potential for triggering the resurgence of violent clashes were simmering Sunday, Feb. 6, in the high army command, the fractured opposition camp and President Hosni Mubarak's governing circle. debkafile's military sources disclose exclusively that the army, which has been standing on the sidelines of the anti- and pro-Mubarak standoff till now, has decided to stand against the president's premature removal before his term runs out in 200 days"
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