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Post by burnsattornincan on Feb 1, 2011 14:05:14 GMT -5
Why is it, that it seems like males who are mixed race Middle Eastern/American always consider themselves other than American?
Don't worry, if/when all hell breaks loose there I'm sure he will call on American evac and consider himself firstly American, in a quick fashion.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 14:06:00 GMT -5
This is the latest one , article , regarding todays protest, 250,000 are in the square, military is allowing them to protest, as one high ranking officer said , o wear them selves out..suggesting a "tea pot with a tight lid, results would be a explosion where as with a loose or no lid, just boil over and dissipate. Still no political groups coming forth as leaders, it seems the one thing on the crowds minds, " Mubarak, has to leave "... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt------------------------------------------------------------ "CAIRO – More than a quarter-million people flooded Cairo's main square Tuesday in a stunning and jubilant array of young and old, urban poor and middle class professionals, mounting by far the largest protest yet in a week of unrelenting demands for President Hosni Mubarak to leave after nearly 30 years in power. The crowds — determined but peaceful — filled Tahrir, or Liberation, Square and spilled into nearby streets, among them people defying a government transportation shutdown to make their way from rural provinces. Protesters jammed in shoulder-to-shoulder, with schoolteachers, farmers, unemployed university graduates, women in conservative headscarves and women in high heels, men in suits and working-class men in scuffed shoes. They sang nationalist songs, danced, beat drums and chanted the anti-Mubarak slogan "Leave! Leave! Leave!" as military helicopters buzzed overhead. Organizers said the aim was to intensify marches to get the president out of power by Friday, and similar demonstrations erupted in at least five other cities around Egypt" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Click on the link for the whole article -------------------------------------------------------------- Latest , Media is reporting Mubarak will address the Egyptian populace tonight on national TV...it is suggested , by media sources, that he will announce he will NOT run for office in the September elections that are already scheduled....
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 14:26:50 GMT -5
President Obama has asked Mubarak NOT to run for reelection..latest head line
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 14:36:09 GMT -5
Another article..this one relates to Jordan, new PM named..new Cabinet and the king tasks the PM to quickly look into legislation for more political freedoms and opening of freeer media in the country. While not accepting the new developments , opposition, Muslim Brother hood, says they are not looking for regime change, accepting the Royal house as it is today, but wanting changes in the power of the King to appoint and dismiss PM and parliment. ----------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_jordan_cabinet------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Unlike Egypt, we don't want a regime change in Jordan and we recognize the Hashemites' rule in Jordan," he said, referring to Jordan's ruling family. "But we want to see real political reforms introduced." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Abdullah named Marouf al-Bakhit, 63, as Rifai's replacement. Al-Bakhit, an ex-general who supports strong ties with the U.S. and Jordan's peace treaty with Israel, previously served as prime minister from 2005-2007. Abdullah ordered al-Bakhit to "undertake quick and tangible steps for real political reforms, which reflect our vision for comprehensive modernization and development in Jordan." "Economic reform is a necessity to provide a better life for our people," the king said in the statement. "But we won't be able to attain that without real political reforms, which must increase popular participation in the decision-making." Abdullah also demanded an "immediate revision of laws governing politics and public freedoms," including legislation governing political parties, public meetings and elections." -------------------------------------------- click on the link for more of the article
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 1, 2011 15:10:27 GMT -5
I heard that there were pileups in the airport in Cairo, fistfights and Egyptian government officials demanding bribes before anyone boards an airplane. That's one thing that the naive don't grasp. In the Middle-East, things get dicey in a heartbeat. Government officials from the President to the airport ticket office will take any opportunity to shake down anyone they can shake down [the same is true in Mexico, but not necessarily in all Latin-American countries ~ but that's subject to change]. The problem in Egypt is that it, like most of the rest of the Middle-East, is essentially a corrupt totalitarian state. After King Farouk was overthrown by Nasser, whose dream was a United Arab Federation which existed for a time as a union of Egypt and Syria and who was replaced by Anwar Sadat who was assassinated . Mubarak has been in power since [1981-2011]. The Egyptian people have never experienced anything approaching a "democracy" [Republican or otherwise]. Therefore they are at the mercy of those who have exercised power in the past; the military, Muslim religious groups, and the wealthy power mongers. Mubarak has liberalized some, but was under US pressure to do so only for a short while under GWB who had other irons in the fire. Fortunately, Egypt [under Mubarak] has improved education and encouraged a "middle-class." Unfortunately, most of the sub-middle-class [poor] have been left out of the progress and are highly sensitive, particularly, to increases in food prices and other "essentials." What the US hopes for is that the government won't be taken over by radical islamists and will be amenable to modest political and economic reform. The Suez Canal is one of the 900 pound gorillas in the room.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 15:28:45 GMT -5
It looks like the numbers the leaders, if there are leaders, of the protest has easily reached the "million man" figure when you count all the protests through out Egypt , even with train , bus's being shut down as well as the internet, cell phone shut off. {Not sure about reguler land line phone service, hadn't heard about that happening} ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.courant.com/news/breaking/sns-rt-international-us-egypt-protest20110127,0,3190677.story?page=2&utm_medium=feed&track=rss&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20Courantcom-GreaterHartford%20%28Courant.com%20-%20Greater%20Hartford%29&utm_source=feedburner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "---Barbed wire barricades also ringed the presidential palace, where Mubarak is believed to be hunkered down. "We have done the difficult part. We have taken over the street," said protester Walid Abdel-Muttaleb, 38. "Now it's up to the intellectuals and politicians to come together and provide us with alternatives." Effigies of Mubarak were hung from traffic lights. The crowds included men, women and children from all walks of life, showing the breadth of opposition to Mubarak. The demonstration was an emphatic rejection of Mubarak's appointment of a new vice president, Omar Suleiman, a cabinet reshuffle and an offer to open a dialogue with the opposition." -------------------------- "U.S. SENDS ENVOY Analysts said behind the scenes a transition was already under way but the military top brass would want to grant Mubarak a graceful exit. "It is possible that people might accept an interim military leader for a short period of time -- although not Suleiman. But not for as long as six months," Maha Azzam, a Middle East expert at Chatham House thinktank in London. An election scheduled for September might have be to brought forward. U.S. special envoy Frank Wisner, a former ambassador to Cairo, has been sent to Egypt to meet leaders. Washington's ambassador to Egypt spoke to ElBaradei on Tuesday. The United States and other Western allies were caught out by the uprising of a stalwart ally who has been a key figure in Middle East peace moves for decades. Washington called for reforms and free elections but is also concerned that Islamists could gain a slice of power should Mubarak be forced out. The prospect of a hostile neighbor on Israel's western border also worries Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He said he hoped Israel's 1979 peace treaty with Egypt would survive any changes that took place. But pressure on Mubarak also came from elsewhere. Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said Mubarak should listen to the people's demands. The solution to political problems lay in the ballot box, he said. The British government said it was disappointed by the new cabinet as its members were unlikely to produce the kind of political change demanded by the country's citizens. Popular demands for more democracy could sweep across the Arab world from Yemen to Jordan, Morocco to Saudi Arabia. "I think all of these regimes are beginning to feel cornered. What is happening in Egypt is really lighting a fire across the whole region," said Chatham House's Azzam. "The problem is that the West has relied on these authoritarian regimes for too long. There is a lot of anger and now it is spilling over." Protesters were inspired in part by a revolt in Tunisia which toppled its president Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali on January 14. But years of repression have left few obvious civilian leaders able to fill any gap left by Mubarak's departure. The military, which has run Egypt since it toppled King Farouk in 1952, will be the key player in deciding who replaces him. Analysts expect it to retain significant power while introducing enough reforms to defuse the protests. Armed forces chief of staff Sami Enan could be an acceptable leader, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood said. Enan, who has good ties with Washington, was a liberal who could be seen as suitable by the nascent opposition coalition, prominent overseas cleric Kamel El-Helbawy told Reuters. "He can be the future man of Egypt," Helbawy said. "The people do not know him (as corrupt)." MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD EMERGES The hitherto banned Brotherhood stayed in the background early in the uprising but is now raising its profile. Analysts say it could do well in any election." ------------------------------------------------------- Click on link for more of the article
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Post by safeharbor37 on Feb 1, 2011 16:28:55 GMT -5
Mubarak has resigned as of the expiration of his term later this year. This is probably the ideal solution and apparently has the backing of the Military who continue as the most powerful force in Egypt.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 16:46:21 GMT -5
Your correct but have on CNN know and as one of the commentators said, when you move away from the square..the young people, there are long lines of citizens trying to purchase cooking oil, food...and many of those people are angry with the demonstrators for bringing the country to a halt, and the onliness to the streets. Remember there are 85 million people in the country and while I am sure most are happy about the possible change, {till he leaves who knows what will happen} many also want the country back to a normal strait.
The ones in the square want Mubarak to step down and to step down now.
Not willing to wait months.
However they need a new constitution, term limits to the presidency..rights, guarantees..but to get to that point still need to have calm and not chaos. Buses, trains , Internet back running..food supplies being delivered.
40 % of the population living on $2/3 per day..what they earn every day feed them and their families, have to go back to work
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 17:07:47 GMT -5
Latest one, Mubarak will not run but crowd in Cairo square, furiouse, livid, his response not acceptable, out NOW..screaming that if he doesn't step down will face a crowd marching to the palace if necessary..don't trust him, want military controls out and wants any one associated with him out..Suliman to involved with him, right hand man...as ine young man said, we are different people, devided on many things..but one thing all are agreed on..he, Mubarak , has to step down NOW and all those associated with him..to step down ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_egypt------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Three of six parties all asking him to step down now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The 82-year-old Mubarak, who has ruled the country for nearly three decades, insisted that his decision not to run had nothing to do with the unprecedented protests that have shaken Egypt the past week. "I tell you in all sincerity, regardless of the current circumstances, I never intended to be a candidate for another term." "I will work for the final remaining months of the current term to accomplish the necessary steps for the peaceful transfer of power," he said. Mubarak, a former air force commander, resolutely vowed not to flee the country. "This dear nation .. is where I lived, I fought for it and defended its soil, sovereignty and interests. On its soil I will die. History will judge me like it did others." His speech came after a visiting envoy of President Barack Obama told Mubarak that his ally the United States sees his presidency at an end. Frank Wisner, a respected former U.S. ambassador to Egypt who is a friend of the Egyptian president, made clear to Mubarak that the U.S "view that his tenure as president is coming to close," according to an administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the ongoing diplomacy" ------------------------------------------------------------------ For the rest of the article click on the link
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 17:38:07 GMT -5
CNN know has a reknown Egyptian commentator, Faud Ajami, who lives here, when asked if Mubarak is living in a bubble, he says he has thought he has been living in a bubble for the past 10/12 years..Mubarak has had 12 good years, 18 bad ones. The leaders of the middle east have to bond with their pople..they haven't a clue and there are so many young people in middle east who want changes..also feels there still may be a counter revolution yet..a fight back but in Egypt , even his advisor's and supporters are distancing them selves from him..but he hasn't got it yet.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 1, 2011 18:17:11 GMT -5
Important TV speech coming up soon by the president..not only affressing us, Americans, carefully watched by the Egyptian Public, israeli's, Saudi's, Jordaninas and the leaders in the area..have to walk a tight rope...personally..think I am glad it's he giving the addrerss rather then McCaine or my buddy Sara.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 2, 2011 7:29:52 GMT -5
" One week ago, Egypt was a stable authoritarian regime, prospects of change were minimal and every expert in Washington would have betted on the endurance of its regime. Today, Egypt is in a state of chaos. The regime, even after using its mightiest sword is not able to control the country and the streets of Egypt are in a state of utter lawlessness. As the world stands in awe, confusion, and worry at the unfolding events, perhaps it is important to write the evolving story that is happening in Egypt before any reflections can be made on them. " www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_story_of_the_egyptian_revo.html
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 2, 2011 8:42:53 GMT -5
CNBC did a live interview a half hour ago. There is now counter protestors in the square, for Mubarak to stay, and there are physical clashes between the groups.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Feb 2, 2011 9:27:22 GMT -5
...another interesting article, imo, and from an high schooler, no less... The situation in Egypt is not an isolated incident. In fact, just last month we saw the protests in Tunisia against former President Ben Ali who took office in November 1987 after forcing the former president to flee the country and resign. Besides the commonality of the tenure of President Mubarak and that of former Tunisia President Ben Ali, the legacy of these two men expose the deep cultural and economic divides that continue to tear apart their respective countries. To the north and east of Tunisia lies another country in chaos: Albania. Albania is also suffering through a wave of protests against its ruling government, as is the country of Jordan located just north and east of Egypt. These are grave situations which share a common theme — people are searching for freedoms and a more perfect government that attempts to solve the issues of joblessness, poverty and inflation, all devoid of the corruption that seems to plague quasi-dictatorial regimes in Egypt, Tunisia, Albania and Jordan. americasright.com/?p=7054
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 11:19:24 GMT -5
It started last night..it was predicted by some . a counter revelution by Mubarak, paying demonstrators..to demonstrate for him...
There are many who benefit by Mubarak..but I wonder if they are the ones who would hit the streets ..putting themselves into danger..but use paid agitators as their proxy..with police not there to keep order except mixing in civies in the crowd to stir up and possible the Army now staying out of it...on purpose. One of the reasons populace were not happey with Mubaraks announcement of not running but staying in power into the elections..they don't trust him, are experienced with him... he may not leave peacefully//
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 12:00:39 GMT -5
Revolutions for the most part are not easy and can get messy. It seems that what was feared is happening, the current government headed by Mubarak the president and his supporters is not going quietly. While it hasn't yet been proved the pro Mubarak crowd is being directed by the regime, the president , some of the the pro Mubarak supporters who were involved in the violence had police credentials found on them, so some are saying if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it is a ... Here is the latest article regarding the upheaval and street battles that I have found.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaos in Cairo as Mubarak backers, opponents clash Egypt protests continue as Mubarak digs in heels . . By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Hadeel Al-shalchi And Sarah El Deeb, Associated Press – 1 min ago CAIRO – Thousands of supporters and opponents of President Hosni Mubarak battled in Cairo's main square Wednesday, raining stones, bottles and firebombs on each other in scenes of uncontrolled violence as soldiers stood by without intervening. Government backers galloped in on horses and camels, only to be dragged to the ground and beaten bloody. At the front line, next to the famed Egyptian Museum at the edge of Tahrir Square, pro-government rioters blanketed the rooftops of nearby buildings, dumping bricks and firebombs onto the crowd below — in the process setting a tree ablaze inside the museum grounds. On the street below, the two sides crouched behind abandoned trucks and hurled chunks of concrete and bottles at each other, and some government supporters waved machetes. Bloodied anti-government protesters were taken to makeshift clinics in mosques and alleyways nearby, and some pleaded for protection from soldiers stationed at the square, who refused. Soldiers did nothing to stop the violence beyond firing an occasional shot in the air and no uniformed police were in sight. "Hosni has opened the door for these thugs to attack us," one man with a loudspeaker shouted to the crowds during the fighting. The clashes marked a dangerous new phase in Egypt's upheaval — the first significant violence between supporters of the two camps in more than a week of anti-government protests. Clashes began, first in the port city of Alexandria, just hours after Mubarak went on national television Tuesday night and rejected protesters' demands he step down immediately. He defiantly insisted he would serve out the remaining seven months of his term. That speech marked an abrupt shift in the deteriorating crisis. A military spokesman appeared on state TV Wednesday and asked the protesters to disperse so life in Egypt could get back to normal. That was a major turn in the attitude of the army, which for the past few days allowed protests to swell to their largest yet on Tuesday when a quarter-million peacefully packed into Tahrir Square. Also, the regime for the first time Wednesday began to rally supporters in significant numbers to demand an end to the unprecedented protest movement calling for Mubarak's removal. Some 20,000 pro-government demonstrators held an angry but mostly peaceful rally across the Nile River from Tahrir, saying Mubarak's concessions were enough and demanding protests end. Having the rival sides on the streets is particularly worrying because there do not appear to be anywhere near enough police or military to control resurgent violence. International concern was also mounting. The White House deplored the violence and called for restraint. British Prime Minister David Cameron said Egyptian authorities must accelerate their political reforms and said that "if it turns out that the regime in any way has been sponsoring or tolerating this violence, that would be completely and utterly unacceptable." German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said the violence "raises the urgent question whether the political leaders of Egypt understand the need for rapid democratic reform." The violence began after nearly 10,000 anti-government protesters massed again in Tahrir on Wednesday morning, rejecting Mubarak's speech as too little too late and renewing their demands he leave immediately. In the early afternoon, around 3,000 Mubarak supporters broke through a human chain of protesters trying to defend the thousands gathered in Tahrir, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. They tore down banners denouncing the president, fistfights broke out as protesters grabbed Mubarak posters from the hands of the supporters and ripped them to pieces. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Click on the link below to read the rest of the article --------------------------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 2, 2011 12:01:55 GMT -5
Did you forget the rule about posting long, boring articles in entirety?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 12:03:30 GMT -5
Not so peaceful now. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020202176.html?nav=rss_email/componentsDemonstrations turn violent as pro-Mubarak crowd clashes with protesters Video New clashes erupt in Cairo Several thousand supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, clashed with anti-government protesters Wednesday as Egypt's upheaval took a dangerous new turn. (Feb 2 By Leila Fadel, Will Englund and Griff Witte Washington Post Foreign Service Wednesday, February 2, 2011; 11:27 AM CAIRO - The Egyptian army called Wednesday for an end to the mass demonstrations that have shaken President Hosni Mubarak's grip on power. Instead, the protests turned bloody, as anti-government crowds were confronted by what appeared to be a coordinated group of Mubarak supporters. The two sides threw rocks and chunks of cement at each other, with many people injured and some bleeding profusely. Dozens of pro-Mubarak riders on horseback and camelback charged into Tahrir Square about 3 p.m. local time (8 a.m. in Washington) and began to beat anti-government demonstrators with whips and clubs.
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Post by b2r on Feb 2, 2011 12:17:45 GMT -5
Pro Mubarak demonstrators or useful idiots to ratchet up the chaos?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 12:19:19 GMT -5
Did you forget the rule about posting long, boring articles in entirety? No , in fact just a part of the article is posted and then the link plus a few thoughts of mine regarding the events happening as we chat , you and I. You find this incident boring..the articles too? Is that because your idea of correct posting here on these zones runs along the lines of "Obama sucks because I ed, say he does. Case closed.?" and other such nonsense. A few of us feel there are a few other reasons to participate on the zone besides reading your same words of wisdom..every day, and every day. and every day and...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 15:44:22 GMT -5
The latest...it looks like there has been gun fire in the square , including the unmistaken sound of , recognized by those who know the sound, .50 caliber MG fire and for those who are familiar, if aimed at the populace , this is over kill but definitely a force that has to be recognized.
They , who ever is using them , this particular weapon, .50 MG, and it is only a military weapon, never a police or civilian one, are serious in breaking up this revolution.
I am reposting a post of mine from another thread..it is how I feel..this might be the end of the peaceful revolt, expression of wanting, demanding change by the people, possible the status quo is back in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am not sure if this is going to happen now , peaceful change of government , Egypt, here.
If you are following the crack down by Mubarak and his followers with the hired mobs, police taking part and to me the military. While not yet taking a active part, the Molitary, seeming to allow the pro Mubarak mobs and police , even if in plain clothes , attempt to clear the square and break up the demonstrations, they are taking sides.
While actively not taking part, the Military, crack downs of the people , demonstrators against Mubarak, yet still going along with Mubarak and his supporters.
Basically, my opinion, by doing so, not actively taking part in the break up of the crowds, , but by not getting involved in the protection of the populace, acting this way, so the US doesn't use it , crack down on populace, as a excuse to cut off military aid
It show Israel it doesn't have to worry, that cooperation is still in effect regarding the peace treaty, their, military, feelings on Hamas, , but also they are still supporters of the status quo and now wondering if the demonstrations are broken, come September, with police crack downs, what excuse Mubarak uses to stay in power.
I am wondering if we are seeing the break up of the insurrection.
If the populace is not ready to accept the casualties, and there will/would be many.
The police roundups, the tortures, killings of those who are participants. before we condemn their failure to keep up the fight.
Put your self into the populace shoes, would you put your self into that situation, and remember , for thirty years they have experienced what the regime will let loose on them, prison, beatings, tortures and even death.
They are familiar with that, know what the regime is capable of because they have done these things. It isn't something that hasn't happened, something they have lived with for over thirty years.
All that above is my opinion by the way"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2011 16:07:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I am watching live footage, audio and video, and the shooting can be heard. 11 PM there now. The peaceful protests seem to be gone. I am hearing the fire is coming from the military, but unsure if they are shooting warnings or people. Very scary. Plus- the people are running out of food. I'm hearing the word anarchy being thrown around.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 16:27:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I am watching live footage, audio and video, and the shooting can be heard. 11 PM there now. The peaceful protests seem to be gone. I am hearing the fire is coming from the military, but unsure if they are shooting warnings or people. Very scary. Plus- the people are running out of food. I'm hearing the word anarchy being thrown around. I have on MSNBC..no comments...don't pay attention to what , just who seems to be having best coverage had to use the remote to see who had on, and they just had on a Egyptian who is a educator who brought up a interesting point and happening.. Back in the day, when King Farouk was encountered by Nasser, the leader of the revolt against him and asked to step down, go into exile, his, Farouks, Private Guards and National Guard, were much stronger and armed then the Army, and he could have called on the UK , France for help to keep his Throne, remember time of the cold war and the canal was so important to the big powers,[They invaded together with isrel to take over the canal a few years later, Risenhower had to get involved, going against his allies whils e still standing up to the Soviets} but he , Farouk called on his National Guard to lay down their arms , said he would not be a leader who would have the blood of the Egyptian people on his hands , and went into exile, granted a nice one,, but that's besides the point. This Egyptian commentator is suggesting the US, Obama , use this argument with Mubarak.. The fact is he , Mubaric, is 82 years old. While he looked healthy , supposedly he has health problems , his son will not succeed him, no way there, so to hang on and cause this put down , possible turning bloody, over 300 dead so far, of the uprising, makes little sense to me. Therein is a problem , the fear of the unknown is there..after Mubarak, when ever, then what. Israel will be in a tougher spot, we will , the other middle countries will be but no longer can we support despots because for what ever reason they support our ambitions can no longer be done..the only good thing know , there is no longer a Soviet Union hanging on the fringe as our enemy and a cold war. We will just have to deal with what happens and hope the populace want a normal type of government to govern them , not a radical one.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 16:44:59 GMT -5
Latest article..it is getting ugly and bloodier..I am thinking by tonight if the Government gets the control of the square..they, government , security forces , even in civilian atire, will then go after the foreign press and shut them down...then in secret the crack down will start in earnest. --------------------------------------------- news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "CAIRO – Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak charged into Cairo's central square on horseback and camels brandishing whips while others rained firebombs from rooftops in what appeared to be an orchestrated assault against anti-government protesters trying to topple Egypt's leader of 30 years. Three people died and 600 were injured in the uncontrolled violence. The protesters accused Mubarak's regime of unleashing a force of paid thugs and plainclothes police to crush their unprecedented, 9-day-old movement demanding his ouster, a day after the 82-year-old president refused to step down. They showed off police ID badges they said were wrested from their attackers. Some government workers said their employers ordered them into the streets. Mustafa el-Fiqqi, a top official from the ruling National Democratic Party, told The Associated Press that business connected to the ruling party were responsible for what happened. The notion that the state may have coordinated violence against protesters, who had kept a peaceful vigil in Tahrir Square for five days, prompted one of the sharpest rebukes yet from the Obama administration" ----------------------------------------------- To read more click on link ---------------------------------------------------------
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 16:53:49 GMT -5
A aside event , this from Israel... ------------------------------ " Netanyahu: Due to Turmoil, Israel Must Get Stronger JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called for "bolstering Israel's might" in response to the turmoil unfolding in Egypt, while at the same seeking to pursue peace efforts with the Palestinians. In a speech to Parliament Wednesday, Netanyahu reiterated Israel's concerns that any regime that followed that of President Hosni Mubarak may follow a radical Islamist line, though Israel stood by protesters' calls for democratic reform. Editor's Notes: Inside Suzanne Somers' Breast Cancer Fight Special: At Risk for Heart Attack? Take Dr. Crandall’s Free Online Heart Test Now! "The basis of our stability, our future and for maintaining peace or widening it, particularly in unstable times, this basis lies in bolstering Israel's might," he added, in his toughest response yet to the week of protests in Egypt. The remark appeared to suggest Israel may need to expand its armed forces if a 1979 peace treaty with Egypt, Israel's first with an Arab nation, failed to survive the unrest or seemed less durable than in the past. The peace with Egypt created a peaceful border with a nation that was once Israel's largest Arab foe. Netanyahu said he hoped world leaders would ensure that Egypt stuck by that deal. The treaty with Egypt has enabled Israel to scale back military expenditure considerably. Security expenditure is currently about 9 percent of GDP, down from 30 percent in the years just before the treaty with Egypt was signed. Dan Schueftan, a strategic expert at the University of Haifa, said in an interview that the uncertainty in Cairo, which could last for months, meant Israel might need to build "a much stronger army and increase the defense budget in a major way." Turning to Israel's Palestinian neighbors, Netanyahu urged President Mahmoud Abbas to seize what he saw as an opportunity created by the unrest in Egypt, to renew stalled peace talks. At the same time, Netanyahu said that gaps in both sides' positions were possibly "too wide to bridge" to conclude a deal. The U.S.-brokered talks with Palestinians broke off in September in a dispute over Jewish settlement building on land Israel captured in a 1967 war, which Palestinians want for a state. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ One point i find confusing....calling on ABBAs the leader of the PA to negotiate a peace treaty yet goes on to say "At the same time, Netanyahu said that gaps in both sides' positions were possibly "too wide to bridge" to conclude a deal. " Huh?
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 2, 2011 18:11:17 GMT -5
He's tacitly pointing out the fact that Hamas, which was duly elected and which controls the Palestinian Authority regardless of what you like to believe, has in their national charter a provision calling for the destruction of the sovereign State of Israel and the death of all Jews worldwide. In other words, a gap "too wide to bridge". Unless and until that fact is dealt with, there will be no solution to the problem...
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 2, 2011 19:50:56 GMT -5
He's tacitly pointing out the fact that Hamas, which was duly elected and which controls the Palestinian Authority regardless of what you like to believe, has in their national charter a provision calling for the destruction of the sovereign State of Israel and the death of all Jews worldwide. In other words, a gap "too wide to bridge". Unless and until that fact is dealt with, there will be no solution to the problem... Ed you can keep pointing out what is not true and I will continue to point out what you know is true but for what ever reason keep posting misinformation. So here goes..PA, Palastinian Authority , headed by Abbas controls the West bank..Hamas won the election in Gaza, in control of that area. Both sides are enemies..there have been violent clashes..deaths, PA has carried out assasinations on terrorists who are associated with Hamas..some times asked to do so by the israelis..since Hamas is stronger militarily then the PA the PA need the israelis to protect them , West bank till they get stronger militarily. Don't get me wrong . average Palastinian , either PA, Hamas are not friendly toward the Israeli government or it's citizens...similer view point held by the Israeli's toward them..but Abbas is trying to negotiate something . a Palastinian state. I have no idea what the Israeli's really want. they are in control of the situation. I support Israel as a Jewish state as much as you do..but I have questions..I don't think you have any questions..just go along with the Israeli's on everything they say... So again, two political parties, Hamas..Gaza...considered a terrorist group and the Palastinian Authority, West Bank , and not controlled by Hamas.
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 2, 2011 22:03:11 GMT -5
RE: Dezi, in reponse to message 51, yes there is/was gunfire, but absolutely no reports of casualties. It is obvious the shots were fired in the air, to put the fear in the side of the protesters. It is assumed the shots were from the Mubarak protestors, but were not confirmed as from them or possibly the military, who seemed like they were trying to get the crowds to disperse before things got out of hand tonight.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 12:02:46 GMT -5
PM goes on Egyptian TV apologizing for the attacks by Pro Mubarak mobs against the peaceful anti Mubarak crowds and Military starts to get involved in separating the two groups..asking for time to set up elections . no more then 200 days..but nothing about Mubarak leaving before then ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110203/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The prime minister apologized for Wedneday's assault and acknowledged it may have been organized. The vice president promised that Mubarak's son — Gamal — would not run to succeed his father in presidential elections in September, and prosecutors announced an assets freeze and travel ban on three former minister who were among the most unpopular regime figures. But the gestures appeared likely to be swept away by the turmoil around Tahrir, or Liberation, Square, which for the past 10 days has been the center of the unprecedented movement demanding Mubarak's ouster. Protesters accuse the regime of organizing a force of paid thugs and police in civilian clothes to attack them Wednesday afternoon, sparking the violence that still rages after nightfall Thursday" ----------------------------------------------------- Latest from the Egyptian govt is blaming the violence on private business men, foreign sources and suggesting the Muslem Brother Hood in that regard, -------------------------------------------------- Alexander, less violence then Cairo, military keeping sides seperate..still two groups on the street
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 3, 2011 14:18:33 GMT -5
From al Jazeer..there seems to be a uneasy truce for the moment..unprecidented apology from PM for the violence against the anti Mubarak forces yesterday..Military has cleared the Pro Mubarak forces from the bridge over the square where they were gathered and useing location to attack the anti Mubarak crowd. Calling on the Muslim Brother Hood to JOIN in dialogue being active in the process. Pro government TV and radio blaming/suggesting foreign forces and the anti Mubarak forces , they don't have the best interests of Egypt in mind. Also just out , it is being suggested by some government officials, not being idenitified and saying specifically, that the Ministry Of the Interior..not random but organized by them , concerted attacks on anti Mubarak froup for a purpose. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The prime minister apologized for Wedneday's assault and acknowledged it may have been organized. The vice president promised that Mubarak's son — Gamal — would not run to succeed his father in presidential elections in September, and prosecutors announced an assets freeze and travel ban on three former minister who were among the most unpopular regime figures.But the gestures appeared likely to be swept away by the turmoil around Tahrir, or Liberation, Square, which for the past 10 days has been the center of the unprecedented movement demanding Mubarak's ouster. Protesters accuse the regime of organizing a force of paid thugs and police in civilian clothes to attack them Wednesday afternoon, sparking the violence that still rages after nightfall Thursday" ---------------------------------------------------------- english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201123125548860929.html
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