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Post by ed1066 on Feb 2, 2011 18:37:38 GMT -5
Wow! A conservative Republican spoke at a meeting of conservative Republicans? Really? Come on, Lakhota, next you'll tell us that a bear shits in the woods or something crazy like that!
Things are pretty sad over at thinkprogress, huh?
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Post by lakhota on Feb 2, 2011 19:11:12 GMT -5
As Tea Party Koch Brothers Earned An Extra $11 Billion In Recent Years, They Laid Off ThousandsDavid and Charles Koch, co-owners of Koch Industries and primary financiers of the Tea Party, have amassed one of the world’s largest private fortunes and Koch Industries is the second largest privately held company in America. Koch sycophants in the media have attacked anyone daring to criticize the company because Koch Industries employs nearly 50,000 people, according to a study produced by Koch Industries last week. In the last two years, David and Charles Koch have jumped from each being worth $16 billion to now being worth $21.5 billion. That means together they went from being worth $31 billion dollars to being worth $42 billion today. David is now the richest man in New York City, and the pair are now on the nation’s top ten list for richest Americans. However, at a time when the Koch brothers were enjoying spectacular financial gains, Koch Industries laid off well over 2,000 people. Using the same approximate “jobs multiplier” Koch Industries used in its study last week, that means Koch Industries extinguished nearly 8,000 jobs in recent years. Moreover, while Koch Industries has interests in a number of different businesses, much of its money is made by simply polluting for free. The core of Koch’s immense profits are based on burning fossil fuels that contribute to climate change, while not paying a dime for these “externalities.” For instance, Koch refines oil, including high carbon Canadian crude, at its Minnesota refinery, Koch owns one of the largest oil pipeline networks in America, Koch manufacturers fertilizer, Koch sells products for mining coal and owns coal-burning power plants, Koch transports coal, oil and natural gas, and finally, Koch sells financial derivative instruments to bet on the price of its own products, like oil or natural gas. Because Koch Industries gets rich burning fossil fuels, the Koch brothers are the largest funders of climate change denying organizations and “libertarian” nonprofits in the world. Koch political donations have helped the company escape serious prosecution for emitting cancer-causing chemicals as well. More: www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/458013/as_tea_party_koch_brothers_earned_an_extra_%2411_billion_in_recent_years%2C_they_laid_off_thousands/
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Post by verrip1 on Feb 2, 2011 20:31:15 GMT -5
Good for them! It's good to know that the rich know how to properly spend their money. Sprinkling it all in all the right places.
God Bless America!
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 3, 2011 8:57:27 GMT -5
Good for them! It's good to know that the rich know how to properly spend their money. Sprinkling it all in all the right places. Perhaps a lesson to be learned by the country's life long welfare rats? |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 4, 2011 12:46:55 GMT -5
It's unfathomable to me what it must be like for a person to live their whole lives resenting wealthy people- or any group of people. I know holocaust survivors that don't hate NAZIs the way liberals hate the wealthy.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 12:54:22 GMT -5
The police won't have to disperse you from my property. Your family will wish they had. But they likely won't get the opportunity. Trespassers aren't welcome here, and violent threats will be met with force. I hope not as was done inTexas a few years ago..a Japanese youth tourist, little english understanding, was lost, went up to a home to ask for directions, help, shot dead, the shooter was found to not have violated any laws. Parents who came to collect the body and find out what went down were necessarily up set and had a hard time understanding the reason for and teh dismissal. If you want a link , I can try to find it but yes it happened. |
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 4, 2011 13:05:38 GMT -5
Please do becuase I think that's bullshit.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 13:14:01 GMT -5
looked , wasn't able to find..it was over 8 years ago, I was living in Texas at the time, happened as i said it did, went into the yard , through a gate, to the front door, owner told him to leave, hid english not good, just wanted to find out directions, did NOT try to enter home, shot and killed.
I don't lie, tried to find the link, not able to, tried a few times in my headers questioning but yes it happened..
don't want to believe it happened , your right , but the fact is a late teen tourist from Japan died, family lost their son. Fact.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 4, 2011 13:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 4, 2011 13:21:36 GMT -5
looked , wasn't able to find..it was over 8 years ago, I was living in Texas at the time, happened as i said it did, went into the yard , through a gate, to the front door, owner told him to leave, hid english not good, just wanted to find out directions, did NOT try to enter home, shot and killed. This one? query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E5D81631F93BA35752C0A962958260 |
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Post by mudflap81 on Feb 4, 2011 13:22:32 GMT -5
Hire a firefighter with a base salary of $60,000 plus massive benefits (could effectively double their salary), or split a final cost of $60,000 between two people more than happy to do the overtime. How much do you want your taxes raised?
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 13:33:22 GMT -5
Please do becuase I think that's bullshit. --------------------------------------------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_HattoriSatisfied?? I still think there was a incident in Texas , a while ago, but there I may have been wrong, then again, posible there may be more then one incident but the fact is..it happened, it happens... it's not BS as you suggested..as i told you, i never lie here, possible wrong on information and possible not absolutly correct on all facts..but never, ever lie. When I do make a mistake and it's pointed out to me , I admit it, ask for a sorry..you don't seem to be able to do that..example is your comments on Hamas the PA [Palatinian Authority} I left you enough links and articles showing there are two seperate parties, neither in control of the other..in competition with each other and from you in response...NADA..how come? You had no problem saying I wasn't getting it, mistaken, I showed you the one not getting it , the one mistaken was you, yet response ? Nada. Seems the BS isn't coming from me. |
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 4, 2011 13:44:05 GMT -5
Texas...Louisiana. Close. tourist...exchange student. Close. a few years ago...18 years ago. Close. I'm just saying....... ;D |
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 4, 2011 13:47:42 GMT -5
I already responded to you, you're wrong. There is one official government of the Palestinian Authority, and it is the genocidal terrorist group Hamas. That's just plain fact. You might not want it to be true because, for whatever reason, you support the Palestinian "cause", but the reality is that "cause", based on the documents of their own government, is genocide. It's in the national charter which I have posted links to probably 25 times on this board. Go read it, please.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 14:03:51 GMT -5
I guess I will have to go get the posts I posted on the other thread..they explain in detail the differences between the two groups , the competition of the two groups..It's not what I want and your idiotic claim that I support the "Palestinian "cause over the rights of Israel to have their own Jewish state is bogus and another of your mistakes.
I do have some questions that many supporters of Israel have on some of the dealings of the Israeli Government in their dealings with the Palestinians regarding the negotiations, the same questions that so many Israeli citizens have with their own government.
Are you suggesting they too are supporters of the Palestinian causes because they disagree or have questions s or disagreements with their governments handling of issues with the Palestinians. Possible in you mind , no questions should be asked, no disagreements with their elected government just go along with the decisions of the government, no questions asked?
If so, you haven't a clue of how the average Israeli thinks politically, if ever a group are independent thinkers and politically involved with many ideas of how things should be, there is nothing like a average Israeli .
The charter of Hamas that you said you posted 25 times have nothing to do with the Palestinian Authority so there is no reason to go read it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 14:12:44 GMT -5
I already responded to you, you're wrong. There is one official government of the Palestinian Authority, and it is the genocidal terrorist group Hamas. That's just plain fact. You might not want it to be true because, for whatever reason, you support the Palestinian "cause", but the reality is that "cause", based on the documents of their own government, is genocide. It's in the national charter which I have posted links to probably 25 times on this board. Go read it, please. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Copy from another thread answering your incorrect claim, that the PA and Hamas are one and the same, they are not . They are two seperate political paries in competition with each other..one, Hamas, considered a terrorist organization, the othe the Palastinian Authority, considered a legimate political party representing the Plastinian people that Israel is negotiating with regarding a Palastinian state and who gets aid from the US, Europeon nations and certain Arab regimes to help the Palastinian people. ------------------------------------------------------------- "Differences of different political parties middle East..primarily regarding Palestinian --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The most salient differences between Fatah, Hamas, and Hizbollah is perhaps two-fold. First, Fatah and Hamas are groups that are directly associated with Palestinian politics and the daily lives of Palestinians. Fatah is based out of the West Bank, while Hamas is based out of Gaza. Hizbollah (sometimes spelled Hezbollah) is based in Lebanon, supported by Iran, and plays a less direct role in the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel. Perhaps the second most salient difference between these three groups is that the West formally identifies Hizbollah and Hamas as terrorist groups, unlike Fatah. Yet another difference between these three groups is based on religious differences. Both Hamas and Fatah are predominately Sunni Muslim, whereas Hizbollah has its roots in the Shia denomination of Islam" ------------------------------------------------------------ www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-diff....h-and-fatah.htm--------------------------------------------------------- Definition of Hamas Party ----------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas---------------------------------------------------- "In the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Parliament,[17] defeating the PLO-affiliated Fatah party. Following the elections, the United States and the EU halted financial assistance to the Hamas-led administration.[18] In March 2007 a national unity government, headed by Prime Minister Ismail Haniya of Hamas, was briefly formed, but this failed to restart international financial assistance.[19] Tensions over control of Palestinian security forces soon erupted into the 2007 Battle of Gaza,[19] after which Hamas retained control of Gaza while its officials were ousted from government positions in the West Bank.[19] Israel and Egypt then imposed an economic blockade on Gaza, on the grounds that Fatah forces were no longer providing security there" ------------------------------------------------------ Definiion of who the Palestinian Authority party is ----------------------------------------------------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority--------------------------------------------------------------- "The PNA has received financial assistance from the European Union and the United States (approximately USD $1 bln. combined in 2005). All direct aid was suspended on 7 April 2006 as a result of the Hamas victory in parliamentary elections.[9][10] Shortly thereafter, aid payments resumed, but were channeled directly to the offices of Mahmoud Abbas in the West Bank.[11] Conflict between Hamas and Fatah later in 2006 resulted in Hamas taking exclusive control over the administration of all PNA institutions in the Gaza Strip. Since 9 January 2009, when Mahmoud Abbas' term as President was supposed to have ended and elections were to have been called, Hamas supporters and many in the Gaza Strip have withdrawn recognition for his Presidency and instead consider Aziz Dweik, who served as the speaker of the house in the Palestinian Legislative Council, to be the acting President until new elections can be held.[12][13] No Western financial assistance is given to the PNA authorities in Gaza and Western governments do not recognize anyone but Abbas to be the President" --------------------------------------------------- "After the takeover in Gaza by Hamas on 14 June 2007, Palestinian Authority Chairman Abbas dismissed the government and on 15 June 2007 appointed Salam Fayad Prime Minister to form a new government. Though the new government's authority is claimed to extend to all Palestinian territories, in effect it is limited to the Palestinian Authority controlled areas of the West Bank. The Fayad government has won widespread international support. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia said in late June 2007 that the West Bank-based Cabinet formed by Fayad was the sole legitimate Palestinian government, and Egypt moved its embassy from Gaza to the West Bank.[25] Hamas, which has effective control of the Gaza Strip, faces international diplomatic and economic isolation." ---------------------------------------------------------- There are the links for those who really want to try and understand the differences of who is ruling and in charge in the two areas of the territories, the West bank " and "Gaza " . There are two partys, one considered a terorist organization by most/many countries and the other not, thus aid going to the one over the other from Western Countries..I believe aid going to the other from Iran, and possible the Saudis but not sure about that. Ed , you can keep on with your suggesting one and both are the same but it's not so. If you want to criticize the "wicki " your free to do so of course but most researchers are comfortable with the information posted on their sites , even if at times not complete, but here it's pretty complete, and there are other links to find for those who are interested. |
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Post by b2r on Feb 4, 2011 14:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 14:21:31 GMT -5
Texas...Louisiana. Close. tourist...exchange student. Close. a few years ago...18 years ago. Close. I'm just saying....... ;D No big deal Florida...I knew it happened, wassn't BS as ed suggested, didn't realize it was so long ago, time flies when your having fun. I swould have sworn it was a Texas thing, do remember the discussion with friends at the time, concensus of so many, good people was in the line of to bad, but hey..one doesn't go into anothers yard. My comments ran along the lines he didn't speak English, he wasn't entering the home..no weapons shown..the hostile Indians {Sorry Lakhota} had been beaten a long time ago yadda , yadda , hey I am a middle to the left Yankee, you want to cut through my yard to get to the other block, no threat, no problem, my Texas friends it's similer to a a ttack on the little woman. Still thought it was in Texas but doubt the same thing, Japanese tourist..two incidents so similer..so this must be the incident..still seriously a terrible tragedy and I am sure the family has never recovered to this day. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2011 14:51:00 GMT -5
The core of Koch’s immense profits are based on burning fossil fuels that contribute to climate change Since the climate always changes, applying some fictional ability to control the climate seems somewhat ridiculous doesn't it ? Koch's profits are based on selling and transporting energy. Their customers, you and me actually burn the fossil fuels. |
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Post by ed1066 on Feb 4, 2011 14:51:09 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting that and never have. I recognize that there are two parties, just like we have two parties here, but only ONE of them is in official control of the government at any given time. Right now, in the Palestinian Authority, that ONE party in official control is Hamas. They were duly elected to a majority in 2007. I don't know why this is hard for you to understand. Look at it like our situation here. We have Democrats and Republicans. Only ONE of them can control the senate at any given time, right? But both parties are represented at the same time, it is never 100 Democrats and 0 Republicans, or vice versa. Same in the PA, Fatah has a presence, but they are NOT in official control.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 4, 2011 15:16:03 GMT -5
ED that is not what you have been saying..you are saying they are in charge in the West Bank..they are not.
They may have been elected {officially} but have no say in the West Bank affairs, in fact the PA gives some $ they receive to expenses in Gaza.
Hamas is a terrorist organization as seen by Western Countries, Israel, the Saudis and many Arab countries..Fatah, {PA} are in control in the West Bank and the only one that is negotiating, when they are negotiating , with Israel.
You are constantly insinuating that since Hamas is a terrorist organization and have in their charter the desire of the destruction of Israel as a Zionist Jewish State they should not be considered as one to negotiate a peace treaty with Israel.
They are not being negotiated with, not saying a lot seems to be happening with the Israeli's and the PA, but when is it ever it seems.{sigh}
What ever arrangement that is there between the Israeli's and Hamas, whether in direct talks or through intermediaries, see Egypt for example, you and I don't know, only they, Hamas and the Israeli's know their arrangements.
That there is arrangements is known beyond a doubt.... but true negotiations until the organization, Hamas , removes from their charter the destruction of Israel as a Zionist Jewish State and recognition of the right to exist as a independent Jewish State with in secure borders, only then will negotiations between the two will take place, IMO and also the opinion of the leaders of Israel, and the people there too.
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