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Post by kittensaver on Aug 26, 2012 11:53:55 GMT -5
Not at all. The FDA (who by the way lives in the pockets of Big Agra and Big Pharma) is conducting the largest uncontrolled, unsafeguarded experiment ever conducted on the planet and its entire web of ecosystems with GMOs. I hope it will not be the end of us all :-(
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 26, 2012 11:59:21 GMT -5
This is spooky. If they can modify a food that will kill bugs, what is it doing to us? "The problem with pesticides is that they don't know when to stop killing." -- Colleen Huber, ND
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Post by mrsdutt on Aug 26, 2012 13:09:24 GMT -5
Autism just popped into my head. DD1 and I were just discussing the connection. I think you may be on to something. Most European nations have banned the use of GMO seed and will not import our food because of it. Pink tomatoes are just not what nature intended.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 13:18:18 GMT -5
I know that since I am moved to Italy and am eating real food, I don't have as many migraines. I don't shop at the commissary much because I want the freshest food I can find here and I don't usually have to go far.
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Post by Opti on Aug 26, 2012 13:58:26 GMT -5
There are also foods that by themselves naturally rev up the inflammatory response in the body and I've been told the nightshades do this. I have a friend for that reason has been avoiding tomatoes and peppers. Might not be a GMO thing for the tomatoes.
Dairy is not going to be GMO but it can have growth hormones if the cows were treated with it. It is another food group to avoid if you have inflammatory issues.
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Post by Opti on Aug 26, 2012 14:17:11 GMT -5
The nightshades by defintion as I understand third hand from their nutritionist cause the inflammatory response themselves.
If bovine growth hormones genetically modified the cow I would think there would be no need to use them anymore. By now all those herds of cows should be composed of genetically modified cows that were once calfs of said cows on BGH. BGH has been an issue for years. If it caused genetic modifications no one would need to use it anymore IMO. (There are human growth hormones sold to older people. If it caused genetic modification and made the people younger they wouldn't need to keep buying the product to continue to get results. It is a hormone which is much different than genetically modifying seed corn to have certain characteristics that carry on from all subsequent generations. Genetically Modified Organism means going in and modifying the original genetics of an organism. Natural mutations and other things do not count.)
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Post by Opti on Aug 26, 2012 14:32:59 GMT -5
Well the first part of your post tells you these animals aren't in any big scale commercial usage so not an issue yet.
I no longer eat cheese so I'm not sure what's happening in the cheese world especially the make it cheap end. I believe Rennet is what used to be used for cheese making and still is in some cases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 1:19:22 GMT -5
Why don't you eat cheese Optimist? I can't imagine life without cheese.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2012 1:26:17 GMT -5
Angel, I avoid dairy because it messes up my sinuses and gives me chronic sore throats if I eat it. I think it is the protein or something similar that gives me the issue. I know it is not lactose. Whey is the worst thing I can have Ghee is the most benign. I'll have limited amounts of butter at restaurants just to make things easier but knowingly I'll avoid cheese, sour cream, etc. because I don't like the post meal suffering.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 27, 2012 1:45:35 GMT -5
I haven't found anything to which I'm reactive, other than pollens and dust. Foods never seem to bother me. Perhaps, some are just more sensitive to certain things than others.
ETA: Oh, and mold. Mold really gets to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 6:06:32 GMT -5
I don't know so much about GMO in particular, but i have been trying to go to a more 'Real food" type diet. Trying to eat things that are more natural, less processed. Food that actually will spoil versus a Little Debbie cake that can sit on the shelf for 99 yrs. I am cooking more and trying new recipes. So, keeping a food diary is a good place to start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 6:07:08 GMT -5
I have heard some possible links to girls in early puberty and hormones in food.
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Post by motherto2 on Oct 4, 2012 19:33:11 GMT -5
I found out I have a sensitivity to gluten, so I've given it up. DD also. This summer I tried to eat mostly unprocessed food and healthier food in general. I have a love/hate relationship with sugar. I can give it up and then something triggers and I crave it again. I have given up alot of carbs due to the gluten, but the last week or so I've had alot of baked potatoes and GF cereal, and noticed I've put on a cuple of pounds. Time to give it up again
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 4, 2012 21:01:39 GMT -5
Angel, I avoid dairy because it messes up my sinuses and gives me chronic sore throats if I eat it. I think it is the protein or something similar that gives me the issue. I know it is not lactose. Whey is the worst thing I can have Ghee is the most benign. I'll have limited amounts of butter at restaurants just to make things easier but knowingly I'll avoid cheese, sour cream, etc. because I don't like the post meal suffering. Are you sure it's not lactose, Opti? Whey has a lot of lactose and ghee is basically butter, so it's mostly fat. I have found that people who are lactose intolerant can usually tolerate some dairy with high concentrations of fat, like a rich cheese or cream. Cottage cheese and skim milk are the worst.
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Post by Opti on Oct 4, 2012 21:32:43 GMT -5
Angel, I avoid dairy because it messes up my sinuses and gives me chronic sore throats if I eat it. I think it is the protein or something similar that gives me the issue. I know it is not lactose. Whey is the worst thing I can have Ghee is the most benign. I'll have limited amounts of butter at restaurants just to make things easier but knowingly I'll avoid cheese, sour cream, etc. because I don't like the post meal suffering. Are you sure it's not lactose, Opti? Whey has a lot of lactose and ghee is basically butter, so it's mostly fat. I have found that people who are lactose intolerant can usually tolerate some dairy with high concentrations of fat, like a rich cheese or cream. Cottage cheese and skim milk are the worst. I tried lactaid years ago and it did nothing for me. Lactose free milk, etc. Really small amounts of butter or ghee seem to be the only things I can deal with in small amounts. I avoid cream and every once in awhile since I love cheese I'll convince myself sheep's milk cheese or certain cheeses aren't that bad. It might take a couple days to give me issues, but it always does. Because of that I don't even splurge on special cheesecakes anymore which good or bad hasn't been an issue for awhile. Going out to eat my fave desserts were cheesecake especially in the fall when there are things like pumpkin cheesecake and chocolate mousse. You posting to this thread is somewhat of a reminder I should practice my allergy Qi Gong. In some sense I am much better than I was years ago. In a month or so when the outside allergens are down I probably could splurge once in awhile without hurting myself too much. Welts, if I really want to make myself sick, I've found soft goat's milk cheese is the ticket. I don't know what the formal issue is, I just know what bothers me the most and what bothers me the least. I often wonder if I were willing to give up beef for a year or so whether it might help. I'm actually considering it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 4, 2012 21:51:14 GMT -5
Welts, if I really want to make myself sick, I've found soft goat's milk cheese is the ticket. I don't know what the formal issue is, I just know what bothers me the most and what bothers me the least. I often wonder if I were willing to give up beef for a year or so whether it might help. I'm actually considering it. ----------- Well, I hope your issues become resolved. I did give up red meat, and I feel terrific. I used to have far, far more GI issues when I ate meat. I have chronic inflammatory disease and subsequent malabsorption syndrome. It's gotten a lot better.
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Post by Opti on Oct 4, 2012 22:27:45 GMT -5
Lone, no acid reflux but I have dropped some acid causing foods like tomatoes from my diet.
Welts, do you still occasionally eat lamb or have you dropped anything that isn't poultry or fish? The only meat I really avoid most of the time is pork.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 4, 2012 22:45:22 GMT -5
Lone, no acid reflux but I have dropped some acid causing foods like tomatoes from my diet. Welts, do you still occasionally eat lamb or have you dropped anything that isn't poultry or fish? The only meat I really avoid most of the time is pork. I dropped all beef, pork, lamb and goat. I just stick to chicken and fish. As you know, I didn't do it for my health. The fact that I feel better is a happy accident. The meds that I used to take three times a day are now reduced to about once a week. I still have to have B12 shots for the malabsorption syndrome, but on the whole, I feel great.
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Post by montrose on Oct 5, 2012 14:00:43 GMT -5
Lonewolf, I don't know about the GMO angle, but those foods you mentioned - grains (wheat, rye, barley, oatmeal corn, rice), legumes (peas, beans, peanuts), nightshades (tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants, bell peppers) - are known to be involved in leaky gut syndrome and inflammation. They contain (or are often contaminated with) glutens, lectins, phytates and saponins, which are plant molecules that can either interact with the lining of your intestines and make them leaky to proteins that should not get through, or act as anti-nutrients. When foreign proteins get through your gut, your immune system responds. If there is a protein in your food that resembles a protein in your body e.g., transglutaminase or thyroid proteins, your immune system will also attack those tissues.
I don't have a direct link to this information, but I know that primal/paleo blogs such as Mark's Daily Apple, Robb Wolf and Chris Kresser have written about this with a ton of scientific literature references to back it up.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Oct 6, 2012 20:46:09 GMT -5
I am off milk and cheese, also. I pay for eating dairy for days after I eat it and that is with a milk digestant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 23:30:28 GMT -5
Since I've gone off corn and dairy i've noticed a lot less inflamation, and i've dropped 20 lb... not exercising, in the past 5 months. That's never happened to me before...
I haven't eaten gluten in years, and its been good, but obviously there were other things i was eating that were not good for me...
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Post by kadee79 on Dec 27, 2012 13:05:11 GMT -5
I am going to try to give you some information with links.... www.bornfreeusa.org/facts.php?more=1&p=373I can't find what I want for pigs/hogs. Basically, those that are raised for meat are penned so that they can't turn around, some don't even have a large enough space to lay down. They have feed available at all times & a special formula of feed so that they gain weight quickly. Many hog farmers for commercial meat sales give growth hormones to increase growth quicker. Since they are so closely confined...once again, diseases show up & they are given antibiotics. Hogs that are pasture raised will eat plants, roots, nuts (acorns/+other nuts), insects and even small soft rocks. They will eat most household scraps also and most feeds put out for them. Beef cattle.... www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/111250/beef-cattle-vaccines.pdfI didn't read the whole thing so I don't know if they included the antibiotics & growth hormones in this list or not. BTW, cattle raised naturally (grass fed) are just that...grass eaters. Grain rations were introduced by humans raising them for larger meat content per animal. Chickens.... pubs.ext.vt.edu/2902/2902-1083/2902-1083_pdf.pdfYou can see from what I quoted that these chickens never get to scratch in the dirt or eat insects or other outdoor items. That would be natural...feeding on what they can scrounge. Natural chickens will eat worms, insects, snakes, snails, lizards, meat scrapes (including chicken), vegetation, veggie scraps and lots of other things including feed put out for them. If you ever have a truly organic, pasture raised, chicken and/or eggs....you may never go back to what the stores sell. I have chicken houses down the road from me. They raise broilers/fryers. Those chicks never see daylight unless someone opens a door. Their feet never touch the ground. Their feed comes in trucks w/tanks like what dairy milk is hauled in. When it is time to butcher, they are crammed into crates that are not high enough for them to stand and as many as can possibly fit without killing others are shoved in...then loaded on trucks (open) and hauled to the processing plants. My neighbor works at the chicken processor...says she will NEVER eat another chicken! These chickens gets meds & "stuff" (maybe hormones) in their feed to make them grow faster & heavier. And the close confinement also spreads disease faster so antibiotics are likely in the feed too. The ones who raise for eggs are much the same. Eggs are also stored up to 6 mos. before they hit the shelves in the grocery store. This is fine "IF" they have never been washed. Once washed the protective coating on the egg that the chicken's body naturally puts there is gone...the egg will spoil faster without it. When I had my own chickens I never washed an egg until I was going to use it. I never had a spoiled egg from that and they can be kept in around 40º temps for at least 6 mos. Now....GMO vs. Hybrid... A hybrid is 2 of the same species that are cross bred to produce a better plant/fruit/veggie, etc. This is like taking a very LARGE tomato & cross breeding it with a smaller one that has great flavor to get a LARGE, great tasting tomato. This has and can happen naturally. Currently, to GMO most things (not sure if all at this point) a gene from an entirely different plant/animal/fish is inserted into the DNA of the plant/animal/fish you want to modify to do something that would NEVER occur in nature. This is like taking a gene from a pig & inserting it into a human DNA....what will you get? ?? How safe will it be? This will also be passed on from generation to generation because once it is in the DNA...it doesn't go away like it can in a hybrid. GMO'd salmon has just been approved, aka Frankenfish! It has been GMO'd by inserting an eel gene. If one of these salmon escape into the wild or there is an accidental release....happens all the time....sooner or later ALL salmon on earth will be GMO'd as they interbreed. Nearly all soy/soybeans grown in the US are GMO'd. We are around 60% (without looking it up) of our corn grown is GMO'd. Tomatoes were the first item. As far as I know, so I could be wrong on this, so far it is only yellow rice that has been GMO'd. Yes, most potatoes are. If you use anything other than pure CANE sugar, you are eating GMO'd sugar beet sugar. Cotton is GMO'd. Not sure about peanuts yet. And without looking it up I'm not sure on wheat or oats. I know alfalfa has been approved which is a major hay crop for our livestock. And even a blue grass has been for yards. Not sure about the peas either. We/you are not eating the same things that I ate as a child in the 40's & 50's. The plant breeding has changed and some has been greatly improved, others not so much. Those of you who have gluten problems...we aren't eating the same wheat we were when I was a child...it is almost completely different. Since the majority of our meats are fed rations of feed that contain GMOs we are getting them through our meats as well as in all the products that contain soy & HFCS or any other corn product. We are also being exposed to all the other chemicals that are fed to them and the chemical fertilizers, herbicides & pesticides that are used for crops. More & more research is indicating that there are problems caused by GMOs. And some local farmers have run their own little "tests"....when offered both GMO'd feeds & NON-Gmo'd feeds...the animals will choose the NON!!! That tells me a LOT! More cattle raisers are finding problems with infertility and cows aborting early...the numbers are increasing, not decreasing. This is WHY we NEED food labeling....all foods containing anything that is GMO'd SHOULD be labeled!!!!!!!!! A little side note, some in the industry use "GEO" instead of "GMO"....geo=genetically engineered organism, gmo= genetically modified organism. Some might find this link interesting & useful....take a look through their products. They aren't cheap, but then it takes a LOT of WORK to produce a crop of anything! www.edenfoods.com/
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Post by gardenergirl on Jan 26, 2015 11:09:10 GMT -5
Since late last year I've been learning about GMO's and trying to slowly get them out of my house and incorporate super foods into my eating routine. The energy I feel is amazing!!!!
On the cheese discussion- cheese is an inflammatory. Leads to bloating, etc. so cutting it out of your diet can actually help your waistline shrink!
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Post by bean29 on Jan 29, 2015 12:59:59 GMT -5
I have some work to do, but I am lactose intolerant and completely agree with Optimist and Artemis. No milk products and lactaid just delays my suffering by 12-24 hours.
I had looked into the GMO foods earlier this year. I can't believe our government wants to prohibit labeling of GMO foods.
I was looking into it b/c I started to react to corn...no corn on the cob, corn tortillas or corn chips for me. The when I was trying to figure out if it could be gluten sensitivity I stumbled on the fact that it could really be GMO corn causing my problems. I at corn for years. When I was a kid we would probably eat fresh corn by the dozen.
Dad's brother was a farmer and corn fresh from the field was a special summer treat.
I do have a cousin that does the organic farming. I am thinking about asking for some organic corn to test, but she is a few hours away from me and I am not sure I want to fool around with testing it out.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 29, 2015 13:20:03 GMT -5
As we age we don't have the digestive systems we had as children. Our "parts" are aging, too. If you're having problems with digestion, have you tried a digestive probiotic? I usually suggest Culturelle. Give that a try for a week and see if it helps you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:17:40 GMT -5
As we age we don't have the digestive systems we had as children. Our "parts" are aging, too. If you're having problems with digestion, have you tried a digestive probiotic? I usually suggest Culturelle. Give that a try for a week and see if it helps you. I've been on a time release probiotic pill for about two months, after a round of diflucan. It was recomended by my doctor because of a candida overgrowth problem in my colon, I've been severely lactose intolerant since my early twenties. It seems to be helping with the general IBS misery. I don't remember the brand, but it's not Culturelle.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 29, 2015 14:19:50 GMT -5
As we age we don't have the digestive systems we had as children. Our "parts" are aging, too. If you're having problems with digestion, have you tried a digestive probiotic? I usually suggest Culturelle. Give that a try for a week and see if it helps you. I've been on a time release probiotic pill for about two months. After a round of diflucan, it was recomended by my doctor because of a candida overgrowth problem in my colon I've been severely lactose intolerant since my early twenties. It seems to be helping with the general IBS misery. I don't remember the brand, but it's not Culturelle. Culturelle is just the one I've had experience with, jma. I'm sure there are others that are just as good or, maybe, better. So far, I've had good reports from those to whom I've recommended Culturelle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:24:21 GMT -5
I've been on a time release probiotic pill for about two months. After a round of diflucan, it was recomended by my doctor because of a candida overgrowth problem in my colon I've been severely lactose intolerant since my early twenties. It seems to be helping with the general IBS misery. I don't remember the brand, but it's not Culturelle. Culturelle is just the one I've had experience with, jma. I'm sure there are others that are just as good or, maybe, better. So far, I've had good reports from those to whom I've recommended Culturelle. I'm due to buy more next month, maybe I'll give it a shot. Now all I'll have to do is remember when I'm at the store.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 29, 2015 14:25:48 GMT -5
Culturelle is just the one I've had experience with, jma. I'm sure there are others that are just as good or, maybe, better. So far, I've had good reports from those to whom I've recommended Culturelle. I'm due to buy more next month, maybe I'll give it a shot. Now all I'll have to do is remember when I'm at the store. LOL! I hear you! I run out every once in awhile and PANIC! My daughter's grocery ran out of Culturelle so she decided to try the store brand. NOT GOOD!
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