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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:03:21 GMT -5
Putter around? You do know that the "real" money start rolling in after a president leaves office right? I would not consider that retirement, just a more "lucrative" career option.
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Post by midjd on Aug 12, 2012 13:21:46 GMT -5
That's a little offensive, don't you think? Reagan and HW aside, most Presidents of the past 50 years have been in their 40s or 50s when elected. The median age at election (for ALL presidents) is 54 years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:22:47 GMT -5
A lot of these guys already have the money before they are elected. But either way, anything after Commander in Chief is a step down. If you were once the most powerful man in the free world, sitting on boards, giving speeches and running foundations is puttering around.
Look at Bush Sr. It's like wearing jazzy socks is the biggest thing he has going on these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:36:32 GMT -5
That's a little offensive, don't you think? Reagan and HW aside, most Presidents of the past 50 years have been in their 40s or 50s when elected. The median age at election (for ALL presidents) is 54 years. No I don't believe it is offensive and I used it to illustrate my point. His pedigree per say: Following his studies, he worked as an aide to United States Senator Bob Kasten of Wisconsin, as legislative director for Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas, and as a speechwriter for former U.S. Representative and 1996 Republican vice presidential nominee Jack Kemp of New York. In 1998, Ryan won election to the United States House of Representatives, succeeding the two-term incumbent, fellow Republican Mark Neumann. He is now in his seventh term.Yet the focus is on his age on both side of the aisle: - excitement: he is young, fresh ideas forgetting that he ha spent his whole career per say in politics so already tainted and embraced "the way of doing business" - doubt: he is young and may not be up to the ask or understand it. The guy is 42 not 22. So yes, it seems the general idea is you have to be an old geezer to hold office. And yes at 27, someone in their mid 50's does fall under the "old geezer" category. They might not feel that way or are young at heart and may live 90-100... Fact: unless you are lucky enough to occupy a high/key position when you reach your 50's; Most companies are looking at replacing you with a younger model. It takes you longer to find a job if you get laid off; if you can ever get one. So basically, occupying the white house is age discrimination in reverse.
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Post by midjd on Aug 12, 2012 13:40:27 GMT -5
I'm only a year older than you and I don't feel that way. Matter of opinion, I guess. But I'd guess most of the posters on this forum would find the designation of someone in their mid-50s as an "old geezer" offensive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:47:37 GMT -5
I'm only a year older than you and I don't feel that way. Matter of opinion, I guess. So we agree to disagree Would "old", "near retirement" be more appropriate? The point of my OP it that it seems that is what the public is most interested in, not the man or what he has to bring to the table. Same way with people that works for me having an issue with me being their boss because they are old enough to be my parents/grandparents. They are hung up on the age, not my qualifications to be their boss. My friend that is 23 and also a co-mgr is having a hard time at it also because the old timers refuse to take orders from a "kid".
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2012 13:52:39 GMT -5
In a sense it's all relative, but perhaps we should break it up into thirds. 0-30 is young, 30-60 is middle aged, and 60+ is old.
I agree, I have a hard time accepting the talk about Ryan being young, but compared to the normal presidential candiates, he is very young.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:54:42 GMT -5
My kids remind me of how old, uncool, and foolish i am every day!
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2012 14:02:29 GMT -5
It seems like the sweet spot for being elected president it 50-60 and retiring before you're 70.
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Post by NastyWoman on Aug 12, 2012 14:08:46 GMT -5
Carl and Shooby, knock it off. Calling Swamp old is one thing, implying that I am ancient on the other hand
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 12, 2012 14:10:25 GMT -5
Though, you can still "young" or "old" for your age.
I've noticed this amongst my parents age group. Some 50's folks use walkers and have breathing tanks, others are very active, and in better shape than many 20 year olds.
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Post by vonna on Aug 12, 2012 14:18:27 GMT -5
Though, you can still "young" or "old" for your age. I've noticed this amongst my parents age group. Some 50's folks use walkers and have breathing tanks, others are very active, and in better shape than many 20 year olds. Isn't that the truth! I am a volunteer tax preparer, with the majority clientele being seniors. I have often been surprised at how wrong I can be at guessing the age of many seniors. I have worked with people in their 50's that move/act as though the are in their 80's, and have also met people in their 80's and 90's that I would have guessed 60's. Great motivation to keep me going to the gym . . .
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 12, 2012 14:31:57 GMT -5
In a sense it's all relative, but perhaps we should break it up into thirds. 0-30 is young, 30-60 is middle aged, and 60+ is old. I agree, I have a hard time accepting the talk about Ryan being young, but compared to the normal presidential candiates, he is very young. ...I'll 2nd the motion... all in favor say aye?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 15:12:16 GMT -5
I'm only a year older than you and I don't feel that way. Matter of opinion, I guess. So we agree to disagree Would "old", "near retirement" be more appropriate? The point of my OP it that it seems that is what the public is most interested in, not the man or what he has to bring to the table. Same way with people that works for me having an issue with me being their boss because they are old enough to be my parents/grandparents. They are hung up on the age, not my qualifications to be their boss. My friend that is 23 and also a co-mgr is having a hard time at it also because the old timers refuse to take orders from a "kid". I'm 27 and think he is young for politics, but I grew up in it and many democratic candidates had other positions before moving into politics.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Aug 12, 2012 16:39:20 GMT -5
...:::"Same way with people that works for me having an issue with me being their boss because they are old enough to be my parents/grandparents. They are hung up on the age, not my qualifications to be their boss.":::...
This is a big issue in Federal careers too. Recent hires are college graduates, many with advanced degrees, and are getting to the top grades in 5-10 years. In doing so, they can end up supervising employees who have 20+ years of Federal service, only a high school diploma, and come from a time where the promotion went to the guy/gal who had been around the longest.
I'm sure its a mix of factors. The older employees feel like they have more experience. They may resent the "fast track". Or they may resent themselves for not having the ambition that their new bosses have.
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Post by triciacus on Aug 12, 2012 18:10:16 GMT -5
I have to admit when I was in my 20's I thought people in their 40's were old, not ancient, lol but old compared to my age, but of course now that I am in my 40's I do not consider that to be old, but I do think that Paul Ryan is young compared to the average age of all of the previous candidates, but that could be a good thing as like people say he may have fresh ideas to bring to the table, or it could be a bad thing in that he does not have all the worldly experience that being older brings, just my opinion though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 18:22:12 GMT -5
I would also point out that he is young in his career as a politican. He is a Representive, not a governor or senator. He has pretty much stalled out in the House, yes he has power there but I really would be thinking he is more experienced, if he had gotten into the Senate.
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Post by flopsy on Aug 12, 2012 18:25:04 GMT -5
I think part of the reason people are focused on his age is his appearance. To me, he could easily pass for ten years younger than he actually is. This is exactly the conversation I had with my father yesterday. IMO he has done some good work on the House Budget Committee and has my full confidence. Young is anyone a decade (or more) younger than me (=not old enough to drink or be cool ).
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Post by justme on Aug 12, 2012 20:05:37 GMT -5
I would also point out that he is young in his career as a politican. He is a Representive, not a governor or senator. He has pretty much stalled out in the House, yes he has power there but I really would be thinking he is more experienced, if he had gotten into the Senate. Maybe, but I don't necessarily equate the Senate with more experience. It's not like everyone there was in the House first (Obama for example), so it's not like you start in the House and then are promoted to Senate. Considering Ryan's focus/expertise seems to be concerning the budget, it makes sense for him to stay in the House as that is where budgets have to originate. He wouldn't have anywhere near as much experience with budgets if he was in the Senate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 20:15:51 GMT -5
I would also point out that he is young in his career as a politican. He is a Representive, not a governor or senator. He has pretty much stalled out in the House, yes he has power there but I really would be thinking he is more experienced, if he had gotten into the Senate. Maybe, but I don't necessarily equate the Senate with more experience. It's not like everyone there was in the House first (Obama for example), so it's not like you start in the House and then are promoted to Senate. Considering Ryan's focus/expertise seems to be concerning the budget, it makes sense for him to stay in the House as that is where budgets have to originate. He wouldn't have anywhere near as much experience with budgets if he was in the Senate. True, but by being in the Senate you have much broader base you need to work within. For example, the Senators of California had this issue when the SOPA was proposed, support it and piss off silicon valley or don't and piss of Hollywood. Having a much larger and broader base would give him experience needed for being in the executive branch, IMO. Then again, I felt like Obama did not have enough experience either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 22:44:58 GMT -5
Since I am 38 and believe I could be President, I'm ok with a 40 year old being VP.
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Post by michelyn8 on Aug 13, 2012 11:41:12 GMT -5
[quote author=swamp board=offtopic thread=25400 post=1196615 time=1344775470]Carl just called me old. [/quote] I'm 44 I guess that makes me nearly ancient? I have a 26 year old son and I never tried to dress or act younger than my age (something my kids are all grateful for). BUT I do not consider myself OLD. One thing I have noticed about getting older is that I have more tolerance and patience with people in general. Things that used to put me in knots at 27 (Carl's age) don't even register with me now. And when I start to feel a little on the old side, I just remind myself that Tina Turner was 45 when she made her comeback and put many, many of the spring chickens in the industry to shame while performing well into her 60's (especially when you compared her legs to those of her younger peers).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 12:24:40 GMT -5
If you lined p the people who have served as pres and vp by age, what side of the line would he be on? Would he be on the end ? ... Age is relative... For the position and within the group of pres/vp... He is young...
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 13, 2012 12:34:34 GMT -5
There is overall age, and there is relative age. If you hear someone having a heart attack and dying at 50, you think "Gee that is young to have a heart attack and die!" But, if it happens at 95 - not so much. But, that doesn't mean 50 is young in every situation, just in that situation.
It think it is important to note that is a young age to be president (because after all, he is one bullet or heart attack away from being president.) Frankly, I thought that Obama was too inexperienced to be president - too "young" and I believe his inexperience has shown in his presidency. If he had waited 10 or 12 years, I think he would have be more experienced and more successful. And I might think the same thing about Paul Ryan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 12:49:20 GMT -5
There is overall age, and there is relative age. If you hear someone having a heart attack and dying at 50, you think "Gee that is young to have a heart attack and die!" But, if it happens at 95 - not so much. But, that doesn't mean 50 is young in every situation, just in that situation. It think it is important to note that is a young age to be president (because after all, he is one bullet or heart attack away from being president.) F rankly, I thought that Obama was too inexperienced to be president - too "young" and I believe his inexperience has shown in his presidency. If he had waited 10 or 12 years, I think he would have be more experienced and more successful. And I might think the same thing about Paul Ryan. I totally agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 13:48:43 GMT -5
Old enough to know better, young enough not to care....
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Post by nalto on Aug 13, 2012 13:52:59 GMT -5
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."
Mark Twain
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