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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 5:04:56 GMT -5
Since Paul Ryan got picked as VP, a comment that has been coming up from both sides is how he is young.
I understand that the post of President and Vice President is usually reserved for old geezers on their way to the retirement home but let's get this straight: Paul Ryan is not young.
The guy is 42 for God's sake. I am 27, that is young. My friend that is 25, yep young. His fiancee that is 21... You got it, young. I don't know about you but my wife cousin that just turned 40... Not young.
Yes he is not super duper old and can still talk/relate to us but he is not young. I think if I reached 42 an everyone was saying how I am too young to occupy such a position I would be annoyed.
Seriously; are people so afraid of aging that they consider 42 now "young". Younger than other VP picks... Ok I will give you that. Young in age... NAH!
The guy is freaking 42, what "young" votes is he going to bring in? "young families" maybe because people are having kids later and later; young in age... Nah!
It is attitude like that that got me wanting to scream at some customers: Dress your age for Christ Sake! You will never win against the 18-21 years olds... Because they ARE 18-21 year old.
My mini rant for the day because I am running on 3 hours sleep and 3 bad days.
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Post by Malarky on Aug 12, 2012 5:48:27 GMT -5
Young is relative. When I was 27, 40 was old. Now that I'm 50, I find myself thinking that that 40 is fairly young.
In terms of the VP, he could conceivably end of being the man in charge of our country. Experience is a plus for the job. Generally, the older you are, the more life experiences you have. There are vast differences between what I knew at 40 and what I know at 50.
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Post by Jaguar on Aug 12, 2012 6:00:03 GMT -5
Young is relative. When I was 27, 40 was old. Now that I'm 50, I find myself thinking that that 40 is fairly young. In terms of the VP, he could conceivably end of being the man in charge of our country. Experience is a plus for the job. Generally, the older you are, the more life experiences you have. There are vast differences between what I knew at 40 and what I know at 50.So freaking  |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 12, 2012 6:01:08 GMT -5
...it ain't the years, baby... it's the mileage...  |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 12, 2012 6:02:36 GMT -5
...and hope you get a nap later, OP... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 6:03:36 GMT -5
People were saying Clinton was young, as they said about Obama when both were elected. It is compared to their peers (other VP or pres nominations). it sounds like you have not been listening to politics for long, is that correct?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 12, 2012 6:12:21 GMT -5
People were saying Clinton was young, as they said about Obama when both were elected. It is compared to their peers (other VP or pres nominations). it sounds like you have not been listening to politics for long, is that correct? ...well, cawiau did point out that he's in his 20s...  edited typo |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 6:38:41 GMT -5
People were saying Clinton was young, as they said about Obama when both were elected. It is compared to their peers (other VP or pres nominations). it sounds like you have not been listening to politics for long, is that correct? ...well, cawiau did point out that he's in his 20s... edited typo I'm 26 and was involved in politics starting at age five because of my mother. As a child, I was more informed about politics than many adults. Age, does not need to mean uninformed, if you chose to do something about it. |
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Aug 12, 2012 6:53:20 GMT -5
...:::"It is compared to their peers (other VP or pres nominations).":::...
Gin beat me to it. Compared to Bush Sr., Reagan, and Carter, 40s is very young.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 7:01:05 GMT -5
Did you happen to miss where I stated that : he might be young compared to other past VP picks, but age wise he is not.
Yes at 27 I know more than I knew at 21... The benefits of getting older and maturing. But the guy is not a spring chicken right out of college, he is 42, been voted into congress 7 times or so.
So yes I find it quite annoying when people refer to him as young and how he may not know what to do in that position, he is no rookie. He is 42 and has been around the block (age and politics wise)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 7:08:01 GMT -5
35 is the youngest you can be to hold to office... so he is more like a 7 year old ... of course its not a true seven, but, well, you know what i'm getting at....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 7:30:14 GMT -5
35 is the youngest you can be to hold to office... so he is more like a 7 year old ... of course its not a true seven, but, well, you know what i'm getting at.... Oped, 35 is just for VP and Pres. To be a representative you must be 25, a senator 30. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 7:32:50 GMT -5
I know, but he is VP. The constitution, in a time when life spans were much shorter, set 35 as the minimum age of a president/vp... so that is the baseline...
I guess you mean i should have said office of pres/vp... valid.
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Post by swamp on Aug 12, 2012 7:44:30 GMT -5
Carl just called me old.
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Post by vonna on Aug 12, 2012 7:50:06 GMT -5
cawaiu, Your rant made me smile! Age is such a relative thing. People who don't like Ryan as the VP pick can call his age a liability -- "he can't possibly have enough experience!" People who like Ryan as the VP pick use his age as an asset -- "he will bring fresh ideas to the office." As for me, at 47 -- sometimes I am considered young, sometimes I am considered old. (But I still FEEL young, as I hope to continue to live a life in which I learn and grow from experience!) AND. . . I do dress my age! |
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Post by busymom on Aug 12, 2012 7:50:30 GMT -5
Young is about 5 years younger than you are.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 8:29:40 GMT -5
When JFK was elected he was only 43. When Theodore Roosevelt became the president after McKinley's assassination, he was only 42. When I was 42, 71 was old. Now that I'm 71, old is relative! Carl, you're neither too young nor too old. You're just right  |
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Aug 12, 2012 8:48:20 GMT -5
Another thing to keep in mind is that the largest age segment of our population are the Baby Boomers. Most are now in their 60s and 70s and retiring. They WISH they were 42, LOL. So, to them, Ryan is young.
(At 52, I am at the tail end of the official Baby Boomer range. I hate getting lumped in with the rest of them. I am NOWHERE near retirement age or mentality.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 8:52:58 GMT -5
Under 25, definately young. Under 30, youngish. After that, you should be seasoned and experieneced. Calling these 40+ young is just stupid.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Aug 12, 2012 9:57:11 GMT -5
...hey swamp, shooby just called you old, too... |
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Post by midjd on Aug 12, 2012 10:42:54 GMT -5
We are in the process of selecting the next state Supreme Court justice. During one applicant's interview, the first question was "So, the elephant in the room... your age. Is this an advantage or disadvantage?" The applicant is 38.
When you consider that all but prodigies/grade-skippers graduated law school at 25, 38 really is pretty young. Thirteen years in practice is not much. Same with the VP pick. He has what, maybe 15-17 years of job experience?
I think 40 is young for many things (political office, judgeships) and not young for others (having kids, starting to save for retirement, wearing tube tops).
And when you consider that most people born today will live well into their 80s and beyond, 40 may not be young, but it's not old, either.
As far as being "seasoned and experienced" after 30... well, at that point, I'll have 5 years of job experience. Not a noob anymore, but hardly what I'd call "seasoned".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 11:08:26 GMT -5
Seems that everyone is forgetting that JFK was elected PRESIDENT at 43...
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Post by midjd on Aug 12, 2012 11:09:34 GMT -5
And people called him young then, too.
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Post by justme on Aug 12, 2012 12:13:40 GMT -5
Well, when you look at experience in the Federal government, he's had more than our current president (both when he was elected and now). Well, I think he has. I'm not exactly sure on exact years. I don't know Obama's resume to a T, but I believe he did other jobs, law school professor, before he was even involved in the state government. So even though Obama is older, it's possible that Ryan could have had more government experience.
Hmmm...anyone know Obama's history enough to know how long he was in the state government. Hell, even Federal government I don't know the years. I'd have to go research it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 12:19:42 GMT -5
Well, when you look at experience in the Federal government, he's had more than our current president (both when he was elected and now). Well, I think he has. I'm not exactly sure on exact years. I don't know Obama's resume to a T, but I believe he did other jobs, law school professor, before he was even involved in the state government. So even though Obama is older, it's possible that Ryan could have had more government experience. Hmmm...anyone know Obama's history enough to know how long he was in the state government. Hell, even Federal government I don't know the years. I'd have to go research it. Depends, do you count Obama's work in political organizing as government experience or not? Though I agree that Obama did not have the experience to play in the big leagues. |
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Post by susanb on Aug 12, 2012 12:27:34 GMT -5
I think part of the reason people are focused on his age is his appearance. To me, he could easily pass for ten years younger than he actually is.
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Post by midjd on Aug 12, 2012 12:39:14 GMT -5
Good point. That could change soon enough, though. This photo essay is pretty interesting. Seems the younger you are when elected, the more you're aged by the process. Not sure if Veeps go through the same. www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1872168,00.html |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 12:43:20 GMT -5
Young is whatever age I am. |
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Post by TD2K on Aug 12, 2012 12:55:03 GMT -5
People were saying Clinton was young, as they said about Obama when both were elected. It is compared to their peers (other VP or pres nominations). it sounds like you have not been listening to politics for long, is that correct? And when you look at most of the Senate, he does seem young  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 12:58:56 GMT -5
With 7 national elections under his belt, he's certainly experienced. But it's very young to possibly take on the second highest position of your career. If this works for him, he'd be looking 8 years as VP + 8 years as president. He'd be retired at 58.
Same with Obama - if he's lucky, he'll be retired at 55. If he's not lucky, he'll be retired at 51.
You want someone who is young and healthy enough to do the job, and experienced enough to do it well. But it is also just weird to putter around for 40 some years making speeches when you leave office.
Supreme Court is even more weird since they are lifetime appointments. If someone gets a seat at 38, they could be on the bench for 40 or 50 years.
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