deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 29, 2011 16:58:41 GMT -5
I was wondering about farm subsidies , those that are given to NOT plant crops...isn't this still done? With inflation being what it is...wouldn't more corn lower the prices and also have more to sell over seas. Anyonme know what the subsidies are costing us? I also have a thought. Since most of our major farming and foods sources seem to come from out thar..the West and middle areas of the country, Red States, and the South too, more Red areas..how would the Tea and Pubs feel about the government saving $ by ending those payments to their own constutuents. Any ideas? {Guess have to google to see Teas and Pubs ideas toward those areas of the budget. Are we talking real money here or just a trickle of our budget}
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Post by lakhota on Jan 29, 2011 17:59:49 GMT -5
Here is my general take on our economic mess:
Things were in pretty good shape when President Clinton left office. What happened?
1. An illegal war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11.
2. Mortgage Meltdown. Who caused that? You can't blame the borrowers. Banks are supposed to be the "parents" when borrowers come calling. Although unwise, I do not blame borrowers for seeking loans they couldn't afford - and the banks (parents) knew they couldn't afford them. I blame the banks - from Wall Street on down! Good parents say "NO" when children ask for unreasonable things.
So, where are we now? Well, it appears that right-wing wackos wish to remedy our economic mess on the backs of the poor and middle class by cutting social programs and veterans benefits. Is that fair? No, it is not. In fact, it's downright brutal. It's also very Republicanesque.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 29, 2011 18:44:14 GMT -5
ok thanks Ratch..I wasn't finding the break down..I know it was a thing a while back when we were producing so much wheat and corn that it was being piled out side rather then the grain storage ..no more room...will take your advice see what I can find.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 29, 2011 18:51:29 GMT -5
Here is my general take on our economic mess: Things were in pretty good shape when President Clinton left office. What happened? 1. An illegal war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. 2. Mortgage Meltdown. Who caused that? You can't blame the borrowers. Banks are supposed to be the "parents" when borrowers come calling. Although unwise, I do not blame borrowers for seeking loans they couldn't afford - and the banks (parents) knew they couldn't afford them. I blame the banks - from Wall Street on down! Good parents say "NO" when children ask for unreasonable things. So, where are we now? Well, it appears that right-wing wackos wish to remedy our economic mess on the backs of the poor and middle class by cutting social programs and veterans benefits. Is that fair? No, it is not. In fact, it's downright brutal. It's also very Republicanesque. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I would try to be kinder but in many ways, can't argue against you on a lot of what you said.. The thing is , to expect business people to do what might be the right thing, if not illegal and if not thinking of possible consequences, is asking to much , and the bankers , the ones who were supposed to be the 'parents " were also under the direction of the grand parents who had the control and gave the orders..and the reward was the more they did what was wanted..the higher the allowence{rewards}... To stop that from happening..Momma has to step in, burocratic government with their over sites and the rules which so many say are not necesary..just get out of the way let business do their thing...and business will..to their benefit..the way the world is and it will go along very nicely for a long time and then some thing happens..all ways.
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Post by lakhota on Jan 30, 2011 0:19:07 GMT -5
Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed ThemAyn Rand was not only a schlock novelist, she was also the progenitor of a sweeping “moral philosophy” that justifies the privilege of the wealthy and demonizes not only the slothful, undeserving poor but the lackluster middle-classes as well. Her books provided wide-ranging parables of "parasites," "looters" and "moochers" using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor). As Michael Ford of Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, “In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest.” Her ideas about government intervention in some idealized pristine marketplace serve as the basis for so much of the conservative rhetoric we see today. “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand,” said Paul Ryan, the GOP's young budget star at a D.C. event honoring the author. On another occasion, he proclaimed, “Rand makes the best case for the morality of democratic capitalism.” More: www.alternet.org/teaparty/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits%2C_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 0:28:49 GMT -5
Actually I could see cutting some VA benefits.
For instance: If you serve for 4 years (& way back when it was for as little as 2 years) & get out without having any injuries or problems, you still can go to the VA for the rest of your life. I find it a bit odd that you get almost the same benefits for that 4 year period as you do for putting in 20 years. The cost isn't that far apart either.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 30, 2011 0:43:07 GMT -5
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Too bad your opinion isn't worth a piece of turd. I'll give you #1 but the mortgage meltdown should have buried the banks and all related speculators but the government decided to let hard working taxpayers foot the bill. It is not being felt, yet. Social programs have cost many times more than the wars and bank bailouts combined. You will now need to produce or die. The false reality that has been enjoyed is now at its last scene.
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Post by lakhota on Jan 30, 2011 0:46:17 GMT -5
Actually I could see cutting some VA benefits. For instance: If you serve for 4 years (& way back when it was for as little as 2 years) & get out without having any injuries or problems, you still can go to the VA for the rest of your life. I find it a bit odd that you get almost the same benefits for that 4 year period as you do for putting in 20 years. The cost isn't that far apart either. Really? Well, there's a little more to it than that... While many veterans qualify for cost-free health care services based on a compensable service-connected condition or other qualifying factor, most veterans are required to complete an annual financial assessment or Means test to determine if they qualify for cost-free services. Veterans whose gross household income and net worth exceed the established thresholds as well as those who choose not to complete the financial assessment must agree to pay the required copays to become eligible for VA health care services. Along with their enrollment confirmation and Priority Group assignment, enrollees will receive information regarding their copay requirements, if applicable. More: www.va.gov/healtheligibility/costs/
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 30, 2011 10:34:04 GMT -5
Here is my general take on our economic mess: Things were in pretty good shape when President Clinton left office. What happened? 1. An illegal war in Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. 2. Mortgage Meltdown. Who caused that? You can't blame the borrowers. Banks are supposed to be the "parents" when borrowers come calling. Although unwise, I do not blame borrowers for seeking loans they couldn't afford - and the banks (parents) knew they couldn't afford them. I blame the banks - from Wall Street on down! Good parents say "NO" when children ask for unreasonable things. So, where are we now? Well, it appears that right-wing wackos wish to remedy our economic mess on the backs of the poor and middle class by cutting social programs and veterans benefits. Is that fair? No, it is not. In fact, it's downright brutal. It's also very Republicanesque. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. 1.Voted on by both parties and at the time a majority of Americans agreed. 2. Of course you don't want to put any blame on the borrowers....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 12:28:55 GMT -5
Really? Well, there's a little more to it than that...
Lakhota, you got me as far as what the rules say because I've never bothered to look them up. On the other hand in actual practice I seen what goes on. My stepfather was in the army 2 years (minus 60 days leave of course) way back when. His prescriptions cost $3.00 more than mine (I put in 20). He under went cancer treatment for just about the same as it would cost me (less than $500 difference). His treatment was done at the VA. Mine would be done down town at local places. He doesn't have any VA disability that I know of & I doubt that even if he did it could be connected to cancer 45 years later.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 12:29:45 GMT -5
Really? Well, there's a little more to it than that... Lakhota, you got me as far as what the rules say because I've never bothered to look them up. On the other hand in actual practice I seen what goes on. My stepfather was in the army 2 years (minus 60 days leave of course) way back when. His prescriptions cost $3.00 more than mine (I put in 20). He under went cancer treatment for just about the same as it would cost me (less than $500 difference). His treatment was done at the VA. Mine would be done down town at local places. He doesn't have any VA disability that I know of & I doubt that even if he did it could be connected to cancer 45 years later. Oh & I DOUBT that he could prove a hardship money wise.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 30, 2011 12:37:05 GMT -5
I know that there are financial restrictions but even though those over the minimum , as old said, the amount they pay as their contribution is still a very good deal. Naturally in some places the waiting time might be a bit longer but it doesn't seem to be a problem..many are rtired, they have the time. Possible their rates to pay might have to go up a bit...it will still be a good deal for them and while like all of us, they will bitch, hey their ex soldiers, since when is bitching disallowed...
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