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Post by milee on Aug 6, 2012 21:40:11 GMT -5
Bump to see prior post.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 6, 2012 21:42:18 GMT -5
Is this about my after-lock post? For crying out loud. The only indication we have is that the word 'Lock' changes to 'Unlock' in some far corner of the page. I'm sorry if I don't look at it every five minutes. But fine. I'll delete it. It's gone. Finito. Let it not be said that I can get the last word in. Time to make a tshirt for Welts then featuring Virgil. Where's the Lock / Unlock indicator? ;D The tshirt thread awaits your genius. Weltz must never know!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 21:42:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately no. It would require a forced refresh of the page every time a moderator posted (since that's the only event horizon on which 'lock' status can be updated). A forced refresh would require the post data to be stored either locally or remotely. There's too much data to be transmitted via AJAX remotely, and not all moderators have local storage enabled. In short, we're sorry if we post after the lock, but realistically: it's going to happen sometimes. And, as I've said, I've deleted my after-lock post. So no harm, no foul. Don't sell yourself short. You are a gifted code writer.
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Post by milee on Aug 6, 2012 21:43:39 GMT -5
...:::Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said.
You've all called him a liar, a chauvinist, a misogynist, a friend to rapists. :::...
You have placed yourself in that alleged half the posters that don't have an accurate memory of what was said.
I did not call WWBG a "liar", "chauvinist", "misogynist" or "friend to rapists."
You are insulting people after their words were capriciously removed. As a moderator who can go read the actual text of the thread, you should be ashamed of yourself for misrepresenting what was said.
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Post by swasat on Aug 6, 2012 21:45:43 GMT -5
Please, please. let this go. At least for tonight. I don't want the board closed down and I'd prefer you cool your anger before deciding one thread disappearing merits an entire board disappearing because you are upset. People are people and neither the Moon or the mods are paid. Volunteers don't need to act as rationally as those people who are paid and can get fired. Please keep in mind Moon, WWBG, etc. are human and if they are having a bad day or being pushed too much we may not like their decisions or what they say. Given what I know about volunteering with an organization, PSGCNJ, I expect Moon puts in way too many hours here. Hopefully not 40/wk but I'll hazard a guess she regularly logs in 20 hours a week or so. We, myself may not agree with the decisions that are made here but the bottom line is if we are not willing to put in the hours to create our own board or become volunteer mods giving many hours a week of our time to the cause I think it is wise to let those who do the lion's share of the work make those decisions. As a shameless plug, those in NJ who might need to find jobs or employees I recommend checking out www.psgcnj.org . We have lost support from NJ DOL and are doing our best to stay alive and viable. Keeping things going in a purely volunteer organization such as this board headed by Moon is rarely an easy feat. Kudos to those who put in the time and deal with the inevitable firestorms like tonight. I'm feeling slightly nostalgic as one of our notorious volunteer people issues was at our general meeting today. If a single person who dares to question the way things are working is enough to get the whole board shut down then that's a pretty clear sign it needs to go. The system isn't working. Milee, please give it a rest for tonight. You are upset and angry. WWBG was at fault. I agree, you agree, may people agree. But his fault and your anger should not warrant closing of a board that SO many people visit. Seriously you all. Leave it for tonight. Tomorrow is new day.
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Post by milee on Aug 6, 2012 21:48:01 GMT -5
Swasat, the issue isn't solely with WWBG, it's how the Board is being moderated.
Again, if one person questioning the Board is enough to get it shut down, that's a pretty good indicator it's not working and should go.
There should be room for people to disagree without their posts being removed, deleted, insulted or misquoted by the people serving in positions of power.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 6, 2012 21:51:24 GMT -5
milee, the problem wasn't the questioning of the board. it was that the discussion was going nowhere and was only resulting in many many more reported posts. it was/is time for all to cool down. and if the only way to make that happen is to make it impossible to post for a day or two then so be it.
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Post by swasat on Aug 6, 2012 21:51:56 GMT -5
Milee,
I understand. And to some extent agree.
But I still suggest that you give it a rest for tonight. Please.
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Post by swamp on Aug 6, 2012 21:53:12 GMT -5
milee, the problem wasn't the questioning of the board. it was that the discussion was going nowhere and was only resulting in many many more reported posts. it was/is time for all to cool down. and if the only way to make that happen is to make it impossible to post for a day or two then so be it. Then stop threatening to shut down the board when rational posters are telling you there is a problem.
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Post by milee on Aug 6, 2012 21:55:41 GMT -5
milee, the problem wasn't the questioning of the board. it was that the discussion was going nowhere and was only resulting in many many more reported posts. it was/is time for all to cool down. and if the only way to make that happen is to make it impossible to post for a day or two then so be it. The discussion was going somewhere, you just didn't agree with where it was going. If the reports are too much for the mods, then a change in how moderating is done or adding more mods is a possible solution. Shutting up anyone who disagrees is a poor solution. If you need everybody on the Board to stop posting - even posts that are within the CoC and are attempting to respectfully discuss the issue - then you are probably going to need to ban some people, myself included. I'm not going to stop pointing it out when the system isn't working. I'll be glad to work with you to solve the problems, but I'm not shutting up because dissent is inconvenient or uncomfortable for you.
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 6, 2012 22:02:07 GMT -5
sometimes, that is what i tell them to do.. and the discussion that was going nowhere was all the rehashing AFTER the thread was moved. it is NOT deleted. i said that i would lock the board because that is what i thought it might take to get everyone to cool the fuck down.. and look.. you're still bitching!!
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 6, 2012 22:03:09 GMT -5
...:::Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said. You've all called him a liar, a chauvinist, a misogynist, a friend to rapists. :::... You have placed yourself in that alleged half the posters that don't have an accurate memory of what was said. I did not call WWBG a "liar", "chauvinist", "misogynist" or "friend to rapists." I have read through the thread in its entirety, and I will aver that you specifically, Ms. Milee, do not refer to WWBG as chauvinistic, misogynistic, or a friend to rapists. You have, however, implicitly called him a liar by rejecting his explanation for the thread lock. Let the record show that I consider your comments among the most civil in the defunct thread. I do apologize for the implication that all posters were responsible for all of the listed epithets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 22:04:42 GMT -5
When is WWBG starting his break?
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Post by moon/Laura on Aug 6, 2012 22:06:25 GMT -5
that's enough, later.
now that you're not a mod you like to stir the shit just as much as your good buddy MU does.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 22:07:46 GMT -5
...:::Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said. You've all called him a liar, a chauvinist, a misogynist, a friend to rapists. :::... You have placed yourself in that alleged half the posters that don't have an accurate memory of what was said. I did not call WWBG a "liar", "chauvinist", "misogynist" or "friend to rapists." I have read through the thread in its entirety, and I will aver that you specifically, Ms. Milee, do not refer to WWBG as chauvinistic, misogynistic, or a friend to rapists. You have, however, implicitly called him a liar by rejecting his explanation for the thread lock. Let the record show that I consider your comments among the most civil in the defunct thread. I do apologize for the implication that all posters were responsible for all of the listed epithets. I don't remember anyone calling him chauvinistic p, misogynistic or a friend of rapists. I do remember people saying that he was blaming the victim, that it was similar to what rapists said etc. Who exactly said those things, and why were you blaming all of us for those comments? And no, rejecting his apology is not calling a liar. As I said, and I stand by it, he is/was backpedaling. He was given ample opportunity to stop, think and reword. All he did was reword, in a worse manner, until the thread was shut down and then you defended him. No one is expected to accept an apology especially one that appears false. ETA: All of us are quite blunt, if we called him a liar, it would not be implied but clearly stated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 22:08:27 GMT -5
LOL pulling out that old chestnut moon? There are a lot of people here that have had way more to say than me on the subject. WWBG was way out of line and one after another all the mods are defending him. That is terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 22:10:13 GMT -5
sometimes, that is what i tell them to do.. and the discussion that was going nowhere was all the rehashing AFTER the thread was moved. it is NOT deleted. i said that i would lock the board because that is what i thought it might take to get everyone to cool the fuck down.. and look.. you're still bitching!! Moon, it was cooling down, until Virgil came back. I think if you let people say why they are upset, without disagreeing the thread will stop. And I don't think you disagree that we have a right to be upset.
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Post by milee on Aug 6, 2012 22:11:46 GMT -5
It is not good management to insult and then attempt to silence everyone that disagrees with you or points out problems. If civil disagreement is a problem, then that is a fundamental problem with the Board.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 6, 2012 22:23:02 GMT -5
If my being here is the only reason this thread is still alive, then I bid thee all goodnight and adieu.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 6, 2012 22:23:41 GMT -5
I'll post this here because there really isn't a good place to post it. I read the thread until about page 11. I read some very offensive posts. I then got off the computer to come home after work and was off-line for about an hour. I come back and the thread was gone. Now, my problem with that is apparently there was an apology. No, I was not arguing, but I was reading and was horrified. But by deleting the thread at a time when many posters may have temporarily been off-line it definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth because the last thing I read from a certain poster was in regards to Sandusky's victims and was told yes they deserve it.
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Post by Firebird on Aug 7, 2012 0:09:05 GMT -5
I simply can't understand why explosive threads on this subject always disappear. I wouldn't object to them being locked; frankly, that would have been a relief with this last one.
But a lot of us put serious time and mental energy into posting on this subject that you all continue insisting we are allowed to discuss. A lot of us, myself included, care deeply about talking through this subject because it MATTERS. It matters about a hundred times more than anything else we talk about on here, yet every single time it goes south the threads are deleted instead of locked so that no one can ever read them or potentially learn from them again.
I learned most of what I know about rape culture by reading threads exactly like the teacher thread. YES, they get heated and sometimes need to be halted. I get that. But for the love of Pete, what do you people have against locking and leaving so that we can reread threads when things are calmer??
The thread today upset me so much that I seriously considered leaving the community. Yet I don't want it deleted. Deleting it removes all chance of anyone learning from it. After what I put into it, I'd rather not see the whole thing go to waste.
So my only request regarding this mess- I would like to see the thread restored to general viewing, with a lock, so others can read what they missed and perhaps learn something new. Please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 0:17:22 GMT -5
I simply can't understand why explosive threads on this subject always disappear. I wouldn't object to them being locked; frankly, that would have been a relief with this last one. But a lot of us put serious time and mental energy into posting on this subject that you all continue insisting we are allowed to discuss. A lot of us, myself included, care deeply about talking through this subject because it MATTERS. It matters about a hundred times more than anything else we talk about on here, yet every single time it goes south the threads are deleted instead of locked so that no one can ever read them or potentially learn from them again. I learned most of what I know about rape culture by reading threads exactly like the teacher thread. YES, they get heated and sometimes need to be halted. I get that. But for the love of Pete, what do you people have against locking and leaving so that we can reread threads when things are calmer?? The thread today upset me so much that I seriously considered leaving the community. Yet I don't want it deleted. Deleting it removes all chance of anyone learning from it. After what I put into it, I'd rather not see the whole thing go to waste. So my only request regarding this mess- I would like to see the thread restored to general viewing, with a lock, so others can read what they missed and perhaps learn something new. Please. I am with Firebird, the thread and the subsequent response upset me so much, that if we cannot find a solution, I will not be willing to be on this board. That makes me sad, because I have learned a lot here, I recommend people come on here frequently, and I have made some friends as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 0:32:22 GMT -5
Bye Firebird. Bye gin1984
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 0:54:53 GMT -5
As someone who follows these boards from afar and has watched boards, such as this, for nearly 2 decades, might I suggest that WWBGs admin status be revoked, and the thread be treated as Firebird suggested.
This is, quite obviously, nothing even remotely resembling a just society (no internet msg board ever has), but it might help to at least pretend that the ruling elite is subject to the same rules as the sheep. At least once in a while...
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 7, 2012 1:44:51 GMT -5
Time to make a tshirt for Welts then featuring Virgil. Where's the Lock / Unlock indicator? ;D The tshirt thread awaits your genius. Weltz must never know! Too late.
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Post by Jaguar on Aug 7, 2012 1:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 5:49:56 GMT -5
yay...for once there is a blow up and I'm not the one getting spanked (not that I mind a good spanking ) I thougth when moon originally set up the board the idea was for the mods to rotate? Perhaps it is time for an election? And this will give Miss "Iusedtobeamodandneedtoremindeveryoneevery2minutes" can get her crack at it!lol
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Post by midjd on Aug 7, 2012 6:11:01 GMT -5
Agreed completely. And I also agree with Miss T (wow, second time in a week! ) I was under the impression mod elections were to take place every year. I think it's about time some stepped down and some new ones stepped up. If it's as much of a thankless job as everyone says, most mods should be glad to hand over the torch, right?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 6:11:55 GMT -5
"And I also agree with Miss T (wow, second time in a week! )" Im pretty sure hell just froze over
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Post by taz157 on Aug 7, 2012 7:25:34 GMT -5
As someone who follows these boards from afar and has watched boards, such as this, for nearly 2 decades, might I suggest that WWBGs admin status be revoked, and the thread be treated as Firebird suggested. This is, quite obviously, nothing even remotely resembling a just society (no internet msg board ever has), but it might help to at least pretend that the ruling elite is subject to the same rules as the sheep. At least once in a while...
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