If You Don't Like A Topic, Here's What You Do...

[milee]

Apparently if you report a thread enough, say 6 times, it will be deemed offensive enough to remove permanently.

At least that was the explanation for why the "Teachers Sleeping with Students" thread was removed.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that a moderator was expressing the view that children who "instigate" contact with an adult bear responsibility for when that adult "reacts" by raping them.

And it's not ironic at all that a thread that attempts to discuss the societal bias against female victims is deemed inappropriate and summarily removed when the MuscleUp threads are allowed to remain.

[midjd]

[milee]

Yes, I can.

[milee]

No irony at all at a moderator locking a follow up thread that reflected badly on him. Surely that's just following the COC, not protecting himself, right?

[Deleted]

Karma for this Milee. I do plan to contact Moonbeam about this, I am so upset that I want to remove myself from this board. I also want to check if proboards has an issue with WWBG's comments, though I will give moonbeam a chance to address it first.

[midjd]

I had no idea threads would be deleted even if they didn't violate the COC. Especially since I've been reprimanded for reporting threads that apparently do not contain any COC violations.

I also don't think moderators who are directly involved in debates should be permitted to take any action with those threads in which the debate is taking place.

That's all I've got.

[mmhmm]

What "muscleup threads", milee? I see one "muscleup thread". Is there a reason that thread should be removed, at this point. Muscleup's disruption of another thread was addressed by both moonbeam and me, and he was warned to cut it out, was he not? What is it you want? We can't remove multiple threads we don't see because they don't exist. If you're talking about muscleup's threads on
EE, that's not the same issue as threads here.

As to the reports ... if a thread is reported multiple times, that requires our time to check out each report. We don't ignore you guys when you report. We really do check out the complaint. It does become a problem from both a time standpoint and an irritation standpoint, yes. I'm not the one who moved this thread out, so I can't speak to that issue. What I can tell you is a thread that is becoming problematic and resulting in multiple reports is usually best closed ... either moved out, or locked. I can also tell you that I saw nowhere where any moderator said the topic being discussed in this particular thread was inappropriate.

mmhmm, Administrator

[Cookies Galore]

I've got your back on this one, milee. I haven't commented on that thread, but I read most of it with my jaw dropped.

[moon/Laura]

most of those reports had nothing to do with the mod in question. some of them were legitimate reports on posts that were against the c o c. however an equal number were just made by somebody who wanted to be a pain in the ass. trolling, basically.

frankly the amount of time that we spent moderating that thread today was completely ridiculous- especially when half of it was for bullshit reasons. now... how many other threads do you want to start complaining about the 1 that got deleted?

sent from my mobile addiction

[8 Bit WWBG]

I already hold myself more in contempt for what happened earlier today. I am not proud of my involvement and am trying to make amends. There is no need to make it worse.

[mmhmm]

Aug 6, 2012 19:39:12 GMT -5 @tbird said:

Aug 6, 2012 19:37:39 GMT -5 midjd said:

I had no idea threads would be deleted even if they didn't violate the COC. Especially since I've been reprimanded for reporting threads that apparently do not contain any COC violations.

I also don't think moderators who are directly involved in debates should be permitted to take any action with those threads in which the debate is taking place.

That's all I've got.

You were reprimanded? Just for asking a mod to check on posting?

I don't know about this, but I, for one, want you to use the Report function if you feel something is out of line. We can't see everything, no matter how hard we try. Sometimes, if you didn't let us know, we wouldn't know something ugly was going down.

*I'm not going to sign all this. You guys know me, dern it! We can just talk!*

[Deleted]

So now trolls can get a thread deleted?

[Sum Dum Gai]

Sweet! Finally a heated thread, a bunch of drama, tons of whining, and I had nothing to do with it. You have no idea how long I've been waiting to cross that off my YM bucket list.

[mmhmm]

Aug 6, 2012 19:41:31 GMT -5 @tbird said:

Aug 6, 2012 19:38:57 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

What "muscleup threads", milee? I see one "muscleup thread". Is there a reason that thread should be removed, at this point. Muscleup's disruption of another thread was addressed by both moonbeam and me, and he was warned to cut it out, was he not? What is it you want? We can't remove multiple threads we don't see because they don't exist. If you're talking about muscleup's threads on
EE, that's not the same issue as threads here.

As to the reports ... if a thread is reported multiple times, that requires our time to check out each report. We don't ignore you guys when you report. We really do check out the complaint. It does become a problem from both a time standpoint and an irritation standpoint, yes. I'm not the one who moved this thread out, so I can't speak to that issue. What I can tell you is a thread that is becoming problematic and resulting in multiple reports is usually best closed ... either moved out, or locked. I can also tell you that I saw nowhere where any moderator said the topic being discussed in this particular thread was inappropriate.

mmhmm, Administrator

mmhmm, Administrator

I thought I was being helpful by pointing out posting that may have crossed a line and should be assessed by a moderator. I didn't realize it was an irritation.

Now, Rukh, that's not what I said, at all. I said MULTIPLE reports can be an irritation. I didn't say someone reporting is an irritation. If we've got reports flying in on a thread, we know something's wrong and we're getting there as fast as we can. When someone continues to report once we're there and working with the situation, it draws our attention away from what we're trying to do. Yes, that can be irritating, but it happens and that's okay. You also need to realize that, sometimes, some of the reports are coming from the very people who are causing the disruptions. Is that irritating? You bet your bippy, it's irritating!

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2012 19:42:37 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

I already hold myself more in contempt for what happened earlier today. I am not proud of my involvement and am trying to make amends. There is no need to make it worse.

[mmhmm]

Aug 6, 2012 19:45:09 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

So now trolls can get a thread deleted?

No, later, trolls cannot get a thread deleted. In fact, there are a couple of trolls who are about to get themselves deleted if they don't clean up their acts.

[moon/Laura]

Aug 6, 2012 19:41:31 GMT -5 @tbird said:

I thought I was being helpful by pointing out posting that may have crossed a line and should be assessed by a moderator. I didn't realize it was an irritation.

when something truly crosses the line, yes. we want to know about it. but if you're (in general, not you specifically) are reporting just because you don't like somebody else's opinion or something that's a totally different story. beyond all the reports that were generated in that very short time span we had multiple others prior to that. again, some were legit but many weren't. when monitoring a thread becomes that time consuming, it needs to stop. often, that happens by removing the thread. I am within my rights to do so.

sent from my mobile addiction

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2012 19:42:37 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

I already hold myself more in contempt for what happened earlier today. I am not proud of my involvement and am trying to make amends. There is no need to make it worse.

Sorry but your comments were so out of line, and it seems that those controlling this boards, as well as yourself do not realize how out of line it was, makes it worse. That is why we are still extremely upset. It is not the thread being locked, or deleted that is biggest deal, but that your comments (blaming children for being raped by those who have power of them) are ok, complaining about that, is not. I am extremely bothered by the fact that you still are given power that comment, and that the response was to shut don't the thread and not you.

[mmhmm]

Is it possible Gowron merely misstated what he was trying to say, folks? Has anyone ever done that? You know what you mean, but by the time you wrap it up in words it comes out all wrong. Is it just possible that's what happened here?

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2012 19:51:25 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Aug 6, 2012 19:41:31 GMT -5 @tbird said:

I thought I was being helpful by pointing out posting that may have crossed a line and should be assessed by a moderator. I didn't realize it was an irritation.

when something truly crosses the line, yes. we want to know about it. but if you're (in general, not you specifically) are reporting just because you don't like somebody else's opinion or something that's a totally different story. beyond all the reports that were generated in that very short time span we had multiple others prior to that. again, some were legit but many weren't. when monitoring a thread becomes that time consuming, it needs to stop. often, that happens by removing the thread. I am within my rights to do so.

sent from my mobile addiction

Moonbeam, I understand that this group can be a handful, and I understand if a thread is getting out of control, that you lock it. I just have never seen a thread deleted and especially it was upsetting because a mod was the one doing, what I felt, was way out of line. And then Virgil's comment made it even worse.

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2012 19:55:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Is it possible Gowron merely misstated what he was trying to say, folks? Has anyone ever done that? You know what you mean, but by the time you wrap it up in words it comes out all wrong. Is it just possible that's what happened here?

No. He was told multiple times what he was saying and he just kept reiterating it.

[mmhmm]

Aug 6, 2012 19:45:34 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Sweet! Finally a heated thread, a bunch of drama, tons of whining, and I had nothing to do with it. You have no idea how long I've been waiting to cross that off my YM bucket list.

Get our your marking pen eraser. It's all your fault! ;D

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2012 19:55:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Is it possible Gowron merely misstated what he was trying to say, folks? Has anyone ever done that? You know what you mean, but by the time you wrap it up in words it comes out all wrong. Is it just possible that's what happened here?

Milee and others, including myself, gave him time to restate, he repeatly posted the same thing, in different ways, getting worse and worse.

[milee]

Aug 6, 2012 19:38:57 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

What "muscleup threads", milee? I see one "muscleup thread". Is there a reason that thread should be removed, at this point. Muscleup's disruption of another thread was addressed by both moonbeam and me, and he was warned to cut it out, was he not? What is it you want?
mmhmm, Administrator

Here is what I want - I want to be able to have a discussion on issues that don't violate the COC without having them summarily locked because a moderator realizes he stepped in doody or the other mods consider moderating to be irritating.

This was an important issue and I was trying to share information that I think many people don't know. Specifically about how abused children act and why it's important to give them protection even when their actions are questionable.

I find it incredibly offensive that the thread was completely removed. Especially offensive was the fact that the timing of the removal gave the appearance that it was removed to protect a moderator who had made some errors in judgment - such as moderating/deleting a post of a person who was disagreeing with him and making comments that placed blame on children who were rape victims. I find it even more offensive in light of the fact that both MuscleUp and TaxMan consistently make misogynistic comments yet are just gently warned to stop. Perhaps their threads or comments should just be removed?

[mmhmm]

Aug 6, 2012 19:56:06 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

Aug 6, 2012 19:55:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Is it possible Gowron merely misstated what he was trying to say, folks? Has anyone ever done that? You know what you mean, but by the time you wrap it up in words it comes out all wrong. Is it just possible that's what happened here?

No. He was told multiple times what he was saying and he just kept reiterating it.

Sometimes, that happens, Laterbloomer. You've got it in your head what you mean, but the words you use don't convey it. I get the feeling that may be the case, but I can't get into someone else's head to know and I won't just assume.

[Virgil Showlion]

And then Virgil's comment made it even worse.

They always do.

What can I say? Police lock down a mall when there's a riot, even if nobody's been shot or trampled to death yet.

Aug 6, 2012 19:47:26 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

Aug 6, 2012 19:42:37 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

I already hold myself more in contempt for what happened earlier today. I am not proud of my involvement and am trying to make amends. There is no need to make it worse.

Come on, Later.

The man deleted his comment, explained what he meant, issued a sincere apology, expressed his regret. Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said.

You've all called him a liar, a chauvinist, a misogynist, a friend to rapists. You've utterly humiliated him. It seems that nobody here is the slightest bit interested in what his actual thoughts are.

Have some compassion. You have your pound of flesh.

[milee]

Aug 6, 2012 19:55:21 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Is it possible Gowron merely misstated what he was trying to say, folks? Has anyone ever done that? You know what you mean, but by the time you wrap it up in words it comes out all wrong. Is it just possible that's what happened here?

Well you'll never know because the thread was removed. That's part of why removing the thread is a bad idea.

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2012 19:58:08 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Aug 6, 2012 19:56:06 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

No. He was told multiple times what he was saying and he just kept reiterating it.

Sometimes, that happens, Laterbloomer. You've got it in your head what you mean, but the words you use don't convey it. I get the feeling that may be the case, but I can't get into someone else's head to know and I won't just assume.

You are stretching to make excuses for him. If you don't know what was in his mind you can only go by what he said. And he said that victims of statutory rape were instigators.

[milee]

...:::Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said.:::...

Yet your memory is more accurate than ours? Why exactly is that?

Again, this is why removing the thread causes an uproar - no way to know now.

[Deleted]

Virgil, exactly how do I become the bad guy in this? He did not say these things once, he went on for at least 10 pages. Smarten up.