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Post by happyhoix on Jul 27, 2012 11:47:03 GMT -5
OK, so you guys know I didn't really go through US school system, how likely is it really to happen for a school to do 180 like that? Especially for a student who was a hard-working, good student the whole time??? I had a few teachers that said one thing, then were overruled by the principal and changed. They couldn't really say "your principal won't let me do that" so they would just deny that they ever agreed to it in the first place. I also had a teacher in college who was just mean. One of the kids in our class turned in a lab assignment and told the teacher "I hope I get an A because I need to keep my GPA up in order to keep my scholarship" - the professor just wrote a big D on the top page and handed it back to the guy - the guy ended up changing to a class with a different teacher. Don't know if that's the case here, but I have seen some teachers who were a lot tougher on kids if the kids were grade grubbing in an obvious way. I also had one teacher who was mean to me because I was a Yankee (but she still gave me an A in the class, despite the fact that she didn't like Yankees.) Teachers are human and have their preferences in their students, and unfortunately they sometimes aren't good at hiding it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 27, 2012 11:51:16 GMT -5
If the kid is truly distressed this badly over one bad grade though, I feel sorry for him, as life will probably come along at some point and hand him some truly distressing points and he might not be able to cope. The kid's life is a train wreck in waiting.
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Post by hockeygrl on Jul 27, 2012 11:54:07 GMT -5
It's one bad grade. Get over it. If your "college of choice" isn't competent enough to see an anomaly in an otherwise perfect pattern, that's a stupid school. Please, people! Can we learn to deal with the fact that life isn't fair?
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 27, 2012 11:57:54 GMT -5
DH teaches at a local college and he starts out by telling them that he is the biggest a$$h%le they will ever meet. He then gives them a syllabus like Shane got. Truthfully he really does grant a couple of exceptions a semester. And the people weren't dying and he didn't even call the hospital. ;D The first semester he taught it was a free for all with students wanting to take the tests whenever they felt like it. It is a math class so it isn't like the questions are exactly a surprise they are basically the same ones as on the quiz's and study guides just with the numbers changed. He just already put in a lot of time and it was unfair to him to constantly have students wanting him to be at their beck and call to take the quizs and tests whenever they felt like it it seemed. He also had one student who had an IEP that said they got extra time. The hoo haw started when he complained that since it was a take home quiz he wasn't actually getting anything extra. It probably wasnt helped when he went to the head of the dept and she started laughing at him for whining that a week to finish a 40 minute quiz was unfair to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 12:03:16 GMT -5
It's one bad grade. Get over it. If the kid earned the bad grade - then sure, get over it. But it appears they earned THE CHANCE for a better grade, but the chance was denied at the last minute. Totally different situation. I approve this lawsuit..
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Jul 27, 2012 12:16:03 GMT -5
How does a single missed lab drop an A+ to a C+? Something else is going on in this story that isn't being published. It might be the percentage weightings - i.e. the lab session was quite critical to the grade.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 27, 2012 12:28:38 GMT -5
It's one bad grade. Get over it. If your "college of choice" isn't competent enough to see an anomaly in an otherwise perfect pattern, that's a stupid school. Please, people! Can we learn to deal with the fact that life isn't fair? If you had one missed paycheck would you just deal with the fact that life isn't fair and forget about it? I wouldn't.
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Post by deantrip on Jul 27, 2012 13:04:58 GMT -5
In Montana, Valedictorians and Salutatorians get automatic scholarships to public in-state schools, so if there is something similar that could really hurt chances.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 27, 2012 13:16:44 GMT -5
I'm confused by all this... maybe the kid was in some sorta special school? 'Cause in my neck of the woods for Public schools (and I suspect most private schools) the teacher has to keep scrupulous records of the kid's work/grades, etc... the teacher can't arbitrarily assign a grade. Going from an A+ to a C+ for one missed class/lab seems kinda extra ordinary to me... I don't know too many teachers who absolute control over what grade the kids get - they usually have to show WHY the kid got the grade...
I suspect there's alot of relevant info NOT in the article.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:19:17 GMT -5
"Going from an A+ to a C+ for one missed class/lab seems kinda extra ordinary to me... "
It doesn't seem all that out of whack to me...one project that my dd had to do this year was worth 25% of her grade...I assumed this lab was something similar???
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Post by hockeygrl on Jul 27, 2012 13:48:32 GMT -5
It's one bad grade. Get over it. If your "college of choice" isn't competent enough to see an anomaly in an otherwise perfect pattern, that's a stupid school. Please, people! Can we learn to deal with the fact that life isn't fair? If you had one missed paycheck would you just deal with the fact that life isn't fair and forget about it? I wouldn't. A grade isn't a paycheck and never will be. No one ever asked me about my GPA once I got out of school. As an employer or school administrator, I would look more favorably on a student who was able to take this situation and turn it into a learning experience and opportunity for growth than one who sued about it. Outside the box problem solving is a rare and valuable asset. The problem with people nowadays, is the overuse of the court system for stupid sh!t like this. I get that the teacher changed her mind and it appears unfair on the surface. I also get that we are only hearing one side if the story. Wonder what the other side has to say?
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 27, 2012 13:53:21 GMT -5
::No one ever asked me about my GPA once I got out of school. As an employer or school administrator, I would look more favorably on a student who was able to take this situation and turn it into a learning experience and opportunity for growth than one who sued about it. Outside the box problem solving is a rare and valuable asset.::
I agree it matters little to not at all for an employer. It can have a major effect on college in regards to getting in, getting scholarships, etc. This has the potential to cost him a LOT more than what one paycheck would be. The point is not that a grade is equal to a paycheck, it's that this grade may cost him tens of thousands of dollars depending how it affects scholarships. I received thousands in non-need based scholarships based solely on the fact that I was a valedictorian.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 27, 2012 13:58:15 GMT -5
How does a single missed lab drop an A+ to a C+? Something else is going on in this story that isn't being published. It might be the percentage weightings - i.e. the lab session was quite critical to the grade. Was true ages ago when I took Chem in high school. I think it was called a Qual Lab or something like that. Had to identify the mystery thing. Lost a grade for every wrong answer. I forget what my substance was, but I remember I missed twice before getting it correct.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 27, 2012 13:59:11 GMT -5
It's one bad grade. Get over it. If the kid earned the bad grade - then sure, get over it. But it appears they earned THE CHANCE for a better grade, but the chance was denied at the last minute. Totally different situation. I approve this lawsuit.. So do I.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 27, 2012 14:02:56 GMT -5
::No one ever asked me about my GPA once I got out of school. As an employer or school administrator, I would look more favorably on a student who was able to take this situation and turn it into a learning experience and opportunity for growth than one who sued about it. Outside the box problem solving is a rare and valuable asset.:: I agree it matters little to not at all for an employer. It can have a major effect on college in regards to getting in, getting scholarships, etc. This has the potential to cost him a LOT more than what one paycheck would be. The point is not that a grade is equal to a paycheck, it's that this grade may cost him tens of thousands of dollars depending how it affects scholarships. I received thousands in non-need based scholarships based solely on the fact that I was a valedictorian. I agree. Conceivably it could cost him more than $10K considering the cost of college these days.
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 6:44:09 GMT -5
I questioned only one college professor about a grade...we discussed it and he moved it up a notch. Abnormal psychology...I knew the subject well.
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 7:01:30 GMT -5
My son had an experience like that his junior year of hs. He was working on a group project with three others for an English/Speech class. They all contributed their parts and had their rough draft notes to prove each of their work. The girl assigned to type up the final paper for the group accidentally left off the names of the three others in the group upon turning it in. The teacher gave HER the points, but the other three got zeroes. My son approached the teacher to explain that he DID do his part and showed him his rough draft notes which were part of the final paper. The parents of the other two who also received zeroes called him up and made a stink. His response to my son was, "If you write a check to pay a bill and your name isn't on it, then it is no good." When my son told us the response of the teacher, my husband and I argued that if you forget to sign a check for a bill, you ultimately get to write another check and send it in for payment. The girl who typed the paper felt bad for her groupmates and offered to make another copy of the paper to submit with everyone's name on it, but the teacher wouldn't accept it. There was no getting anywhere with this teacher. The problem was that we could have made a stink on my son's behalf, but it was mid-semester and the teacher could have used it against him in subsequent grades. He ended up with a B in the class instead of maybe an A.
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 7:05:57 GMT -5
^After all that, my son still says that he was a good teacher as far as what he learned from him. It was a good experience for my son to have to plead his case on his own. He is the one who decided to just let it go in the end and we reluctantly agreed.
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 7:09:28 GMT -5
I said to my hubby, "Wouldn't it be considered plagiarism if the one girl turned in the paper that included the work of the three others with only HER name on it and not giving them credit?" I told my son to point that out to his teacher, but he wanted to let it go.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 28, 2012 7:33:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't have let that go at all. But you know your situation best.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 28, 2012 7:41:36 GMT -5
We had a teachers issue, I was steaming mad, but didn't sue. He went to private school, so things are a bit different. In his school at the end of a semester, if you had an A, you didn't have to take the final. My son came home and said the teacher told him he had an A (he had a B average most of the semester) so he didn't take final. When he got his report card, he had a B WTF!!! I called the teacher, she said she graded a paper after she told he had an A which lowered his grade. I complained the the principal, she said once the grade was recorded, they couldn't change due to "academic integrity". I was MAD! If my son took the final and got a B, no big deal.
Teacher was fired a couple weeks later for sexting students.
My son is now in college, after his first year in college, the state changed the requirements for HOPE scholarship from 3.0 in high school to 3.7 in order to get 100%. He was really close to 3.7 but missed it so he got knocked down to 90%. If he had the A in 11th grade English he probably would have made the 3.7, so that B in 11th grade is now costing him ~$300 per semester. I should sue!!!
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 9:00:41 GMT -5
"I wouldn't have let that go at all. But you know your situation best."
I really didn't want to, but my son doesn't dwell on things...he just moves on. At 17, he just wanted to drop it and not jeopardize future grades from this teacher. At 25 now, he thinks differently and would pursue it more.
Oral speech grades are subjective and the teacher could have easily downgraded my son on his if he was ticked off at him for making an issue out of the group project thing. Son wasn't willing to risk that. There were quite a few speeches to go yet.
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 9:06:45 GMT -5
We had a teachers issue, I was steaming mad, but didn't sue. He went to private school, so things are a bit different. In his school at the end of a semester, if you had an A, you didn't have to take the final. My son came home and said the teacher told him he had an A (he had a B average most of the semester) so he didn't take final. When he got his report card, he had a B WTF!!! I called the teacher, she said she graded a paper after she told he had an A which lowered his grade. I complained the the principal, she said once the grade was recorded, they couldn't change due to "academic integrity". I was MAD! If my son took the final and got a B, no big deal. SO WRONG! Geez...the kids almost have to get the teachers' words in writing these days for proof down the road...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2012 9:07:20 GMT -5
I don't really know who is right or wrong. But, life isn't fair. You deal with it and move on. Seems like they are expending an enormous amount of time and energy that could be better channeled into the kid's future instead of the past. This also has ramifications for the school as districts spend a lot of money to defend themselves so now they can't afford books and what not because they are involved with this kind of nonsense.
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 9:11:31 GMT -5
I thought perhaps the teacher could have deducted a few points (like 10) for leaving off the names, but not give them ZEROES!! After all, the content was there, just a few names were excluded off the final draft!! Why take ALL fifty points off for just that?!? A typo!!
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Post by moxie on Jul 28, 2012 9:13:46 GMT -5
"But, life isn't fair. You deal with it and move on."
^We did use those exact words to explain it to our son. Bosses can treat employees unfairly, etc. A life lesson. I think we were more upset than our son was about it.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 28, 2012 9:28:34 GMT -5
I don't blame you.
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