formerroomate99
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jul 24, 2012 10:58:10 GMT -5
Actually, the main reason Komen stopped funding PP wasn't the abortions, but because PP didn't actually do any mammograms in most of their facilities and instead referred women to other facilities, so it made more sense to just pay the people who were actually doing the mammograms directly.
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Cookies Galore
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 24, 2012 10:59:59 GMT -5
Except for the other 5% (it's actually 3%) is a safe and legal medical procedure. A lot of us are down on Komen because of the way they market and exploit breast cancer. Considering I spent a few years getting my reproductive healthcare screening from Planned Parenthood, you're damn right Im going to shit on an organization that doesn't have the slightest clue about what pp does.
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Cookies Galore
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 24, 2012 11:00:55 GMT -5
Actually, the main reason Komen stopped funding PP wasn't the abortions, but because PP didn't actually do any mammograms in most of their facilities and instead referred women to other facilities, so it made more sense to just pay the people who were actually doing the mammograms directly. You do understand you need to see a doctor for a referral?
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hoops902
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Jul 24, 2012 11:02:54 GMT -5
Post by hoops902 on Jul 24, 2012 11:02:54 GMT -5
::Except for the other 5% (it's actually 3%) is a safe and legal medical procedure. ::
Legality has nothing to do with morality. People aren't anti-abortion because they think it's illegal, it's because they think it's immoral.
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hoops902
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Jul 24, 2012 11:03:31 GMT -5
Post by hoops902 on Jul 24, 2012 11:03:31 GMT -5
Actually, the main reason Komen stopped funding PP wasn't the abortions, but because PP didn't actually do any mammograms in most of their facilities and instead referred women to other facilities, so it made more sense to just pay the people who were actually doing the mammograms directly. Don't confuse why they stopped funding PP with why they say they stopped funding PP.
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Jul 24, 2012 11:04:54 GMT -5
Post by swasat on Jul 24, 2012 11:04:54 GMT -5
Actually, the main reason Komen stopped funding PP wasn't the abortions, but because PP didn't actually do any mammograms in most of their facilities and instead referred women to other facilities, so it made more sense to just pay the people who were actually doing the mammograms directly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thats what all anti-PP like to believe. Is there also a valid reason for the amount of money women spends on advertising rather than on actual research and prevention? What was it...something like 80% of their funds? Komen should look at their own practices before they preach to others .
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hoops902
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Jul 24, 2012 11:07:17 GMT -5
Post by hoops902 on Jul 24, 2012 11:07:17 GMT -5
::Komen should look at their own practices before they preach to others .::
I'm not sure "I choose not to give you money anymore" equals preaching. Regardless of whether you think they should give them money or not.
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Jul 24, 2012 11:09:17 GMT -5
Post by swasat on Jul 24, 2012 11:09:17 GMT -5
::Komen should look at their own practices before they preach to others .:: I'm not sure "I choose not to give you money anymore" equals preaching. Regardless of whether you think they should give them money or not. Well I agree to that. Its not preaching. Its absolute dishonesty to say something when they meant something else. You don't believe in abortions? Say so and then stop the funding. No need to beat around the bush.
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Jul 24, 2012 11:18:54 GMT -5
Post by hoops902 on Jul 24, 2012 11:18:54 GMT -5
::Komen should look at their own practices before they preach to others .:: I'm not sure "I choose not to give you money anymore" equals preaching. Regardless of whether you think they should give them money or not. Well I agree to that. Its not preaching. Its absolute dishonesty to say something when they meant something else. You don't believe in abortions? Say so and then stop the funding. No need to beat around the bush. Lol, you've never broken up with someone and lied about why?
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Jul 24, 2012 11:24:26 GMT -5
Post by thyme4change on Jul 24, 2012 11:24:26 GMT -5
Does the Komen foundation ever talk about those? I've never heard anything but the words "Breast Health" and "Breast Cancer." I'm not against them being a foundation that focuses soley on breast cancer - but now that they say "Breast Health" I'm wondering if they actually do all of the things they are pretending to do.
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Jul 24, 2012 11:25:22 GMT -5
Post by swamp on Jul 24, 2012 11:25:22 GMT -5
Well I agree to that. Its not preaching. Its absolute dishonesty to say something when they meant something else. You don't believe in abortions? Say so and then stop the funding. No need to beat around the bush. Lol, you've never broken up with someone and lied about why? It's not you, it's me. You deserve so much better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 11:33:24 GMT -5
Actually, the main reason Komen stopped funding PP wasn't the abortions, but because PP didn't actually do any mammograms in most of their facilities and instead referred women to other facilities, so it made more sense to just pay the people who were actually doing the mammograms directly. Sigh. The majority of PP's clientele is of childbearing age (read: under 50). The way you screen a woman younger than 50 for breast cancer is with a clinical breast exam. Women over 50 are supposed to get biennial mammograms. The vast majority of women served by Planned Parenthood don't need screening mammograms. If they are referred for a mammogram, it is most likely because the clinician felt something during the CBE. That is a diagnostic mammogram. I don't care if you support PP, or you support Komen (either because or in spite of their decision to terminate PP funding). But this had nothing to do with mammograms.
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Post by Taxman10 on Jul 24, 2012 12:08:22 GMT -5
Lol, you've never broken up with someone and lied about why? It's not you, it's me. You deserve so much better. but i could never do better than you!! please, please take me back!!
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 24, 2012 15:01:08 GMT -5
One of my father's cousins died from lung cancer (she had never been a smoker, neither had her husband). Her sister, daughter, and nieces are all very involved in lung cancer research and prevention. A few years ago, a radio show was featuring cancer organziations and had a representative from the National Lung Cancer group and Komen on the air. The representative from Komen (who was a very high ranking official) basically said that breast cancer was the only cancer with innocent victims- that anyone who got any other kind of cancer (not just lung cancer, though she very pointedly told the lung cancer rep that everyone who got lung cancer "deserved" it) had done something to cause the cancer. That pretty much turned my family against Komen right there.
When the flap with PP came up this year, I was sadly, not surprised. When that flap came up, it was discussed in one of DH's classes. One of his teacher's is a leading voice in environmental causes of cancer. It turns out that a few years ago she offered to speak at a Komen fund raiser, for free, about things women could do to lessen their chances of getting breast cancer from environmental factors (avoiding deoderants with certain chemicals, etc), and Komen refused. They specifically told her that they weren't interested in breast cancer prevention, only it's detection and cure.
Now, I understand that organizations need to limit themselves/focus in specific areas. It's the only way to truly accomplish anything. But Komen wasn't just refusing to spend their money on prevention, they wouldn't even allow a speaker (who would have spoken for free) to talk about prevention. I guess that goes along with their assertion that those who get breast cancer are "innocent" and couldn't have done anything to prevent it.
In the meantime, DH and I are slowly swtiching away from any personal care product that contains "fragrance".
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