WTH does Zimmerman mean by "God's plan"

[movingforward]

Jul 19, 2012 13:18:49 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Jul 19, 2012 13:05:40 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Hmmm... Okay... Didn't put anything in a different perspective for me.

Before I heard the tape I had no idea that the 'we don't need you to do that' came after GZ had begun his pursuit of TM. I also didn't realize that you could hear what sounds like him stopping running as he said 'ok'. I also didn't have a good concept of how much time had elapsed between the time it sounds like he stopped running and the time the call ended.

But obviously he still continued to pursue TM even after the operator said we don't need you to do that. Had he stopped pursuing him TM would still be alive and GZ wouldn't be facing prison time. He was gung ho fool with a gun who was intent on "saving the day."

[Virgil Showlion]

Am I the only one who considers Mr. Zimmerman's comment fatalistic? :-\

"God's will" is often invoked as a desire for closure. The intended meaning isn't "God wanted this to happen.", but rather "God is aware of what happened; I'll let Him be my judge."

"It's over. From this point on, nothing really matters."

Like the final melancholic verses of the well-known song:

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to
me, to me

Mama,
I just killed a man,
Put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger
now he's dead
Mama... life had just begun,
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mamaaaaa oooh,
Didn't mean to make you cry,
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow,
Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters

Too late, my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine, body's aching all the time
Goodbye, ev'rybody, I've got to go,
Got to leave you all behind and face the truth
Mamaaaaa oooh, (Away the wind blows)
I don't want to die,
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all

I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouche! Scaramouche! Will you do the Fandango?!

Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me!
Galileo, Galileo
Galileo, Galileo
Galileo, Figaro - magnifico

I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me.
He's just a poor boy from a poor family,
Spare him his life from this monstrosity!
Easy come, easy go, will you let me go?
Bismilah! No, we will not let you go!
(Let him go!) Bismilah! We will not let you go!
(Let him go!) Bismilah! We will not let you go!
(Let me go) Will not let you go
(Let me go)(Never) Never let you go
(Let me go) Never let you go (Let me go) Ah
No, no, no, no, no, no, no
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia, let me go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me!

So you think you can stop me and spit in my eye?!?!
So you think you can love me and leave me to die?!?!
Oh, baby, can't do this to me, baby,
Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here!

Nothing really matters, Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters,
Nothing really matters to me...

Anyway the wind blows...

[Driftr]

Jul 19, 2012 13:39:16 GMT -5 movingforward said:

Jul 19, 2012 13:18:49 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Before I heard the tape I had no idea that the 'we don't need you to do that' came after GZ had begun his pursuit of TM. I also didn't realize that you could hear what sounds like him stopping running as he said 'ok'. I also didn't have a good concept of how much time had elapsed between the time it sounds like he stopped running and the time the call ended.

But obviously he still continued to pursue TM even after the operator said we don't need you to do that. Had he stopped pursuing him TM would still be alive and GZ wouldn't be facing prison time. He was gung ho fool with a gun who was intent on "saving the day."

Just as an FYI, what's obvious to you is not so obvious to all. Consider the beginning of the verbal confrontation as related by TM's purported girlfriend.

TM: Why are you following me?
GZ: What are you doing here?
sounds of scuffle and phone goes dead.

It seems just as liekly to me that GZ stopped pursuing and was hanging out in the 'back yards' of the condos making sure TM was gone when TM confronted him. I know I don't know what happened though. Do you?

[Angel!]

Jul 19, 2012 13:48:53 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Jul 19, 2012 13:39:16 GMT -5 movingforward said:

But obviously he still continued to pursue TM even after the operator said we don't need you to do that. Had he stopped pursuing him TM would still be alive and GZ wouldn't be facing prison time. He was gung ho fool with a gun who was intent on "saving the day."

Just as an FYI, what's obvious to you is not so obvious to all. Consider the beginning of the verbal confrontation as related by TM's purported girlfriend.

TM: Why are you following me?
GZ: What are you doing here?
sounds of scuffle and phone goes dead.

It seems just as liekly to me that GZ stopped pursuing and was hanging out in the 'back yards' of the condos making sure TM was gone when TM confronted him. I know I don't know what happened though. Do you?

I don't know, but it is obvious TM thought it was weird he was being followed & wanted to confront Zimmerman. Pretty much you have 2 guys that aren't the type to back down both feeling like the other is acting weird/criminal.

Had Zimmerman not had this need to be a hero & track this guy down, the scuffle wouldn't have happened & TM wouldn't have been shot.

[Driftr]

Jul 19, 2012 13:55:24 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Jul 19, 2012 13:48:53 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Just as an FYI, what's obvious to you is not so obvious to all. Consider the beginning of the verbal confrontation as related by TM's purported girlfriend.

TM: Why are you following me?
GZ: What are you doing here?
sounds of scuffle and phone goes dead.

It seems just as liekly to me that GZ stopped pursuing and was hanging out in the 'back yards' of the condos making sure TM was gone when TM confronted him. I know I don't know what happened though. Do you?

I don't know, but it is obvious TM thought it was weird he was being followed & wanted to confront Zimmerman. Pretty much you have 2 guys that aren't the type to back down both feeling like the other is acting weird/criminal.

Agreed. And one of them called the police to report it. The other didn't.

Had Zimmerman not had this need to be a hero & track this guy down, the scuffle wouldn't have happened & TM wouldn't have been shot.

Agreed. Except the hero part. I don't pretend to know that GZ was trying to be a hero. IMO he could just as easily have been a guy on his way to the store trying to be a good neighbor.

Oh yeah, FWIW, he was an idiot for going on TV and just for the simple fact that he did that, he has lost credibility in my eyes. But there's no chance I'll be in the jury pool, so he's safe from my prejudices.

[movingforward]

"I know I don't know what happened though. Do you?"

No, I don't know what happened. The whole thing just doesn't sit well with me and it is kind of an upsetting case. I know what it is like to lose someone you love because someone else does something stupid. I have a real problem with Zimmerman walking around the neighborhood in the dark with a gun. Yes, I know he was licensed to carry but he is not law enforcement. He isn't even a rent-a-cop so for him to pursue someone he deemed "suspicious" with a fire arm just rubs me wrong.

[Opti]

Driftr wrote "Agreed. And one of them called the police to report it. The other didn't."

I think the reason one called the police is because he lived there and it was something he did on a regular basis. Calling the police when you aren't in your home territory isn't something I personally think of even when I should. If this had happened to you do you really think had you been playing the part of Trayvon you would have broke off the call with your GF and then called the operator to call the police? What are you going to report? There's a man following me?

[Driftr]

Jul 19, 2012 15:04:23 GMT -5 Opti said:

Driftr wrote "Agreed. And one of them called the police to report it. The other didn't."

I think the reason one called the police is because he lived there and it was something he did on a regular basis. Calling the police when you aren't in your home territory isn't something I personally think of even when I should. If this had happened to you do you really think had you been playing the part of Trayvon you would have broke off the call with your GF and then called the operator to call the police? What are you going to report? There's a man following me?

Do you realize the quote you have pulled and chosen to reply to was a response to someone else? Keep it in context if you are interested in a discussion about the issue. If not, have fun playing games with it, but I'm not going to join you.

[Opti]

Jul 19, 2012 15:21:16 GMT -5 Driftr said:

Jul 19, 2012 15:04:23 GMT -5 Opti said:

Driftr wrote "Agreed. And one of them called the police to report it. The other didn't."

I think the reason one called the police is because he lived there and it was something he did on a regular basis. Calling the police when you aren't in your home territory isn't something I personally think of even when I should. If this had happened to you do you really think had you been playing the part of Trayvon you would have broke off the call with your GF and then called the operator to call the police? What are you going to report? There's a man following me?

Do you realize the quote you have pulled and chosen to reply to was a response to someone else? Keep it in context if you are interested in a discussion about the issue. If not, have fun playing games with it, but I'm not going to join you.

Yes I do realize that. I didn't want to have to quote the whole mess to just address this point of yours.

Your point was Zimmerman called the police and Martin did not.
I addressed that point only as it was the only point I was interested in discussing from that entire post. Not playing games. If you don't want to discuss the point you made. Don't.

ETA: I don't think this adds much to the discussion but the Driftr quote was following this comment from AngelD:
I don't know, but it is obvious TM thought it was weird he was being followed & wanted to confront Zimmerman. Pretty much you have 2 guys that aren't the type to back down both feeling like the other is acting weird/criminal.

[Angel!]

Jul 19, 2012 14:02:15 GMT -5 movingforward said:

"I know I don't know what happened though. Do you?"

No, I don't know what happened. The whole thing just doesn't sit well with me and it is kind of an upsetting case. I know what it is like to lose someone you love because someone else does something stupid. I have a real problem with Zimmerman walking around the neighborhood in the dark with a gun. Yes, I know he was licensed to carry but he is not law enforcement. He isn't even a rent-a-cop so for him to pursue someone he deemed "suspicious" with a fire arm just rubs me wrong.

And if he hadn't been wondering around acting like a nosy nelly while carrying a gun, none of his would have happened.

I do get why some people think he is innocent. Assuming TM initiated the physical contact that lead to the self defense, in a way it makes sense.

Although the eye witness account all differ as to who was on top. And the picture of blood on the back of Zimmerman's head doesn't lead me to believe he had his head slammed into the concrete multiple times as he claims.

I just can't ignore what Zimmerman did to create the entire situation in the first place. And I can't ignore the fact that of course his testimony is going to be very self-serving & the dead guy can't tell what happened.

[movingforward]

"I just can't ignore what Zimmerman did to create the entire situation in the first place. And I can't ignore the fact that of course his testimony is going to be very self-serving & the dead guy can't tell what happened."

- exactly that!

[Deleted]

So tired of hearing about this. If this happens in Compton, no one cares..

[Frappuccino]

He has to act like he had no choice but to shoot Martin, so he is blaming god. I think if he could be honest, he would admit to wanting to do things differently.
I think Zimmerman's behavior led to him getting beat-up by Martin. I want to know if you are allowed to fatally defend yourself after you have provoked a beating.

[zibazinski]

Do you know that if you are the first one to call 911, thats in your favor in a court of law?

[TheOtherMe]

Zimmerman and his attorney wanted ABC to pay for a month's worth of shelter and security for Zimmerman and his wife in exchange for an interview. The interview was to be on The View. ABC said no.

www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/justice/florida-zimmerman-interview/index.html

Article also says his defense raising website is running out of money. The cynic in me says this is why he went on Hannity. He needs money.