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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 13:28:04 GMT -5
I am actually not in Shasta County, but that area is within driving distance. If he is in Mt. Shasta City I am not too far from there. I would be happy for a PM with a name and I am open to calling to talk with them and see what the fees are, etc... My experience in this "natural healing" area, which is very popular in my New Age-ish area, is that those tend to be the very expensive gourmet doctors who do expect you to purchase all kinds of supplements and stuff I can't afford. On the one hand I think there is a lot to be said for not going the pharmaceutical route whenever possible. I also know that I have a long family history of bipolar/depression/suicide so it is important to me to find something that works and I don't really want to spend the next year screwing around when I need help in a more immediate way so that I can function enough to work full-time before I have zero income next June. The classic SSRI's like prozac and zoloft make me sweat excessively. I sit in the snow in a t-shirt and am dripping, literally dripping, with sweat. People stare at me and it makes it an extra challenge when looking for work. I appear to be the fat woman who sweats in excess and I think people read that as being fat as the cause. I don't want to say the reason why I am sweating excessively to someone, but it is so incredibly embarrassing that it really bothers me to do that voluntarily to myself. My current doc is good about most everything, but I don't think he agrees that my issue can be managed naturally, and I honestly think he was just waiting for me to say that it isn't working to prescribe me something to try. The councilor I have been seeing doesn't deal with medication at all. She is an LCSW and only does the "talk therapy" portion of care. I do find that helpful, but it is much more important for me to balance the emotional/mood stuff first so that I can work and be more functional in everyday life. Seeing a therapist twice a month just isn't really helping with the mood stuff in the least bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 13:39:34 GMT -5
I agree with you to a point about less expensive diets and healthy foods. I have been making a very big effort to add more fresh veggies and fruits into our lives. My DH would only eat corn, green beans and iceberg lettuce. He would not eat any fish or seafood. The only fruit he would eat was pineapple and apples... And, on the dialysis diet you can't even eat most of those due to the potassium levels. At some point in my marriage I got tired of preparing two meals every night, and started just cooking foods we would both eat most of the time. Since my kids have watched him die from mostly preventable issues which had a lot to do with weight and diet choices, they are very open to trying new foods and eating a much better quality of foods. I now spend about 1/3rd of our food budget in the veggie aisle. I lost 63 pounds last year and have kept it off. I did this by eating more cleanly and making the effort to do more around the property/house for exercise. It worked nicely for me and I am getting back into that mode and have lost another couple pounds this month. I do still include things like flour, pasta and cereals. I do have 18 and 20 year old males living with me. They eat like horses and I have to keep things around that they find filling. It's a process.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 16, 2012 13:40:52 GMT -5
This is fantastic. It makes me smile.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 16, 2012 13:43:24 GMT -5
I've never managed to spend less at the grocery store to eat healthy. I'm not saying there isn't a way to do it, but I have yet to find it.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 13:49:26 GMT -5
Shasta/goldgirl: check your messages. :-)
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 13:53:33 GMT -5
I lost 63 pounds last year and have kept it off. I did this by eating more cleanly and making the effort to do more around the property/house for exercise. It worked nicely for me and I am getting back into that mode and have lost another couple pounds this month.
I do still include things like flour, pasta and cereals. I do have 18 and 20 year old males living with me. They eat like horses and I have to keep things around that they find filling. It's a process.
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Good for you, Shasta! Yes, it a process . . . flour, cereal and pasta can be perfectly wonderful, healthy foods! Just make sure they are whole grain (not processed/refined to the point that they are stripped of their nutrients).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 14:06:36 GMT -5
I've never managed to spend less at the grocery store to eat healthy. I'm not saying there isn't a way to do it, but I have yet to find it. Part of what helps with me, and the high prices of healthy foods, is that I realized I am willing to pay $3 for a bag of cookies, but balked at the $3 for a tub of berries. (for example) When I would purchase both, then the bill was too high and I would waste fresh things. Now I try to purchase a couple things the kids ask for that I am less likely to snack on, and then spend the big bucks on the fresh stuff that I really like and that I know has a high nutritional value. Neither of my kids have ever experienced the disgusting frozen spinach stuff, so I can get away with buying the fresh and they just see it as another salad green and tasting good. I then use the left-over or the part that is starting to go bad, and I put it into eggs or other foods. We have chickens again. I am getting about 6 eggs a day. I have tried to incorporate those into our diet as much as possible since they are both healthy and "free" other than the cost of the feed. We do breakfast for dinner and it does save me money. I watched Forks over Knives the other night and am really interested in looking at the link between animal fats and health issues. I already purchase less meat, but might make the move more in that direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 14:07:02 GMT -5
Shasta/goldgirl: check your messages. :-) Thanks for the referral.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jul 16, 2012 14:07:59 GMT -5
She may not be able to afford that................. It's a myth that folks cannot afford a good diet. I spend quite a bit less now than I did most of my adult life and eat much better. No more junk food, processed foods, white flour, sugar, artificial sweeteners or food chemicals. I look at nutrients, not calories. Nutrient-dense food satisfies you faster so (over time) you naturally somewhat eat less. No more "an open bag is an empty bag" syndrome for me. Well, personally, it IS proving more expensive for me. My roommate is on a determined weight-loss & exercise plan, and I am sharing it by virtue of sharing a pantry. At the moment, we are spending probably 25% more since shifting to a healthier, non-processed-food diet heavy on lean proteins and fresh veggies. It's fine, I'm not complaining because it's healthier. But it's not entirely a myth that eating significantly healthier is going to cost a person more. For me, a 25% increase in grocery bills can be dealt with and hopefully reduced, but for those on a tighter budget, that might be a problem, in all honesty.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 14:24:04 GMT -5
Part of what helps with me, and the high prices of healthy foods, is that I realized I am willing to pay $3 for a bag of cookies, but balked at the $3 for a tub of berries. (for example)
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EXACTLY! I think this is the part most people don't get. And of course, "it's a process." :-)
Raeoflyte, I don't know if you have kids or not or if this will help you or not, but here goes: back when we had kids in the house, I started a process of "gradual substitution." For a while I made a concerted effort to find out what "healthier" snacks they liked, and began buying/making those. I gradually expanded that list as they discovered more things. Over time, snacks in our house were fruits (apples with peanut butter - yum!), homemade popsicles, homemade yogurt (with healthy add-ins like fruit and granola/gorp), smoothies, hummus with pita chips and vege dippers, homemade mini-pizzas (whole wheat English muffins topped with sauce, cheese and leftover meat if available), celery with nut butters ("ants on a log"). Also key: I taught them how to fix these things for themselves. I never said no to anything if they were hungry - lots of mini-pizzas, quesadillas, grilled cheese sandwiches and yogurt parfaits got made in our house. I even taught them to make oatmeal cookies with healthier ingredients. Then one day, I simply stopped buying the boxes and bags of cookies, chips, saltines, doodles, flaming cheetos etc. The first time someone asked about the boxed/processed stuff, they were told there was lots of food in the house, and they could have it (the boxed snacks) if they chose to purchase it themselves out of their allowance. Very little boxed stuff came into the house after that time.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 16, 2012 14:32:21 GMT -5
I know this is cliche, but we just didn't eat a lot of processed snack food to substitute. Not that we were the paradigm of health, but grilled cheese/quesidillas, mac and cheese, and cereal were dinner lots and lots of nights. Those are all cheaper than 3-4 oz of lien meat and fresh veggies. At least that is what I've found.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 14:43:24 GMT -5
I know this is cliche, but we just didn't eat a lot of processed snack food to substitute. Not that we were the paradigm of health, but grilled cheese/quesidillas, mac and cheese, and cereal were dinner lots and lots of nights. Those are all cheaper than 3-4 oz of lien meat and fresh veggies. At least that is what I've found. We ate a lot of these too! These things can be perfectly healthy and nutritious if they are make with good quality/whole food ingredients. :-) Junk food is only cheap because of government subsidies to grow the cheap food stuffs (soy, corn, dairy/cheese subsidies, etc). If the subsidies were to end, prices on processed foods would jump tremendously.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 16, 2012 14:44:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure cereal is processed.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 14:46:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure cereal is processed. Commercially available boxed cereals, yes absolutely. Whole grains/cereals you buy and cook yourself (oats, spelt, farro, quinoa, etc) are wonderfully nutritious.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 16, 2012 14:51:22 GMT -5
rae - did you buy and cook spelt, farro and quinoa, or were you eating Corn Flakes for dinner?
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Post by Firebird on Jul 16, 2012 14:53:25 GMT -5
I think kittensaver's point is that you can easily substitute non-processed, healthy cereal if your family is used to eating a lot of it.
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Post by raeoflyte on Jul 16, 2012 14:57:45 GMT -5
rae - did you buy and cook spelt, farro and quinoa, or were you eating Corn Flakes for dinner? Hells no! It was generic lucky charms usually. Which is why I said we didn't buy a lot of that stuff. Per serving (and I mean how much we actually ate at a sitting, not the 1/2 cup on the label) it's still a lot cheaper than what we eat now. I'm not complaining, but saying I'm not saving money with a better diet like most people say I should be. The only organic item we buy is whole milk with dha added. Everything else is chock full of chemicals and pesticides and all kinds of other stuff that is terrible.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 15:00:01 GMT -5
I think kittensaver's point is that you can easily substitute non-processed, healthy cereal if your family is used to eating a lot of it. Exactly. And a ravenous teenage boy doesn't need to inhale the better part of a box of commercial cereal just to fill his stomach. A cup of cooked whole grains where he has control over his add-ins (dried or fresh fruits, nuts, seeds, yogurt, milk etc etc etc) will fill him up faster and last longer. Just my experience. Everyone has to walk their own path.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jul 16, 2012 15:01:35 GMT -5
I'm not complaining, but saying I'm not saving money with a better diet like most people say I should be. The only organic item we buy is whole milk with dha added. Everything else is chock full of chemicals and pesticides and all kinds of other stuff that is terrible. LOL, we aren't either, Rae! I'm hoping that once we have some of the staples bought or replaced, the food budget will get better. Hoping...
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jul 16, 2012 15:03:15 GMT -5
I think kittensaver's point is that you can easily substitute non-processed, healthy cereal if your family is used to eating a lot of it. Exactly. And a ravenous teenage boy doesn't need to inhale the better part of a box of commercial cereal just to fill his stomach. A cup of cooked whole grains where he has control over his add-ins (dried or fresh fruits, nuts, seeds, yogurt, milk etc etc etc) will fill him up faster and last longer. Just my experience. Everyone has to walk their own path. You also have to get that ravenous teenager to eat the healthy stuff. Just because something is healthy doesn't mean I'm gonna like the taste of it and eat it. And I'm an adult who knows self-discipline.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 16, 2012 15:05:11 GMT -5
I was just asking clarification on what Raeoflyte was eating. Sorry.
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Post by swamp on Jul 16, 2012 15:06:16 GMT -5
I think kittensaver's point is that you can easily substitute non-processed, healthy cereal if your family is used to eating a lot of it. Exactly. And a ravenous teenage boy doesn't need to inhale the better part of a box of commercial cereal just to fill his stomach. A cup of cooked whole grains where he has control over his add-ins (dried or fresh fruits, nuts, seeds, yogurt, milk etc etc etc) will fill him up faster and last longer. Just my experience. Everyone has to walk their own path. Have you been around a teenage boy recently?
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 16, 2012 15:08:18 GMT -5
Exactly. And a ravenous teenage boy doesn't need to inhale the better part of a box of commercial cereal just to fill his stomach. A cup of cooked whole grains where he has control over his add-ins (dried or fresh fruits, nuts, seeds, yogurt, milk etc etc etc) will fill him up faster and last longer. Just my experience. Everyone has to walk their own path. You also have to get that ravenous teenager to eat the healthy stuff. Just because something is healthy doesn't mean I'm gonna like the taste of it and eat it. And I'm an adult who knows self-discipline. Again, just me: my ravenous teens ate the healthier stuff because they fixed it themselves and controlled/added in the things they liked. And it was a process!
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 16, 2012 15:08:20 GMT -5
Just the other day I was with a pack of teenaged boys, and they were searchign desparately for a cup of farro, with some dried apricots. I offered them french fries - but no way - they insisted on farro.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 16, 2012 15:08:57 GMT -5
I'm not complaining, but saying I'm not saving money with a better diet like most people say I should beThat's because you aren't doing it right. Try harder. Our food budget has gone up about $50/$100 as I make changes. It's not a ginormous amount but it hardly has not gone down. Regular pasta goes on sale for $0.88 a box, whole wheat rarely goes on sale for less than $1.29. Doesn't matter that much we don't eat pasta that often, but I've hardly seen my numbers go down like they are "supposed" to. We feel better and DH's weight is going done, so I suppose one number is going down with a healthier diet at least.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 16, 2012 15:09:51 GMT -5
Just the other day I was with a pack of teenaged boys, and they were searchign desparately for a cup of farro, with some dried apricots. I offered them french fries - but no way - they insisted on farro.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Jul 16, 2012 15:10:34 GMT -5
We feel better and DH's weight is going done, so I suppose one number is going down with a healthier diet at least. That's how we feel! It makes up for the pain at the checkout stand. ;D
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Post by Firebird on Jul 16, 2012 15:10:57 GMT -5
I was just asking clarification on what Raeoflyte was eating. Sorry. You should be
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 16, 2012 15:12:52 GMT -5
Time for some new bumper stickers to get people to eat right:
"Quinoa or bust!"
"I like my farro the way I like my women - steamy and soft"
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 16, 2012 15:15:03 GMT -5
Oh, and one more:
"It's spelled 'spelt' and it means yummy"
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