Politically_Incorrect12
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 26, 2011 17:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by steff on Jan 26, 2011 18:04:12 GMT -5
Then don't lie to get what you want.... easy solution. And since when has lying become so acceptable?
We struggled to move out of a lower income neighborhood so my son could be in a better school. We had to make huge sacrifices and struggle to do it, but the goal was always to get our son into a better school. And we did it.
So why is lying to accomplish that a better choice than working for it?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 26, 2011 18:06:14 GMT -5
If it was the dad's address, then it seems like he would have paid the property taxes required. I am not saying that lying is acceptable, but jail time seems excessive in this case IMO.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jan 26, 2011 18:06:51 GMT -5
Yes, excessive, people have been doing that for a long time. Around here the stories usually involve student athletes. But you always hear about using Grand parents address or a friend or some other relative. This is more reason for vouchers, allow the student/parent to decide where to send there child, and let the money follow the student.
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Post by steff on Jan 26, 2011 18:08:30 GMT -5
Great way to teach the kids too.... lie to improve your life, dont' work for it, don't handle it the right way... just lie.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jan 26, 2011 18:08:33 GMT -5
Then don't lie to get what you want.... easy solution. And since when has lying become so acceptable? We struggled to move out of a lower income neighborhood so my son could be in a better school. We had to make huge sacrifices and struggle to do it, but the goal was always to get our son into a better school. And we did it. So why is lying to accomplish that a better choice than working for it? I don't think that was what OP meant, I think the point is 5 year sentence (even reduced to 10 days) seems excessive for lying to get your child in a better school.
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Post by steff on Jan 26, 2011 18:09:43 GMT -5
And as I said, then don't lie about it. Go about it the correct way. If you choose to lie to get ahead, then you deserve whatever happens when you are caught lying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:10:41 GMT -5
If you need to lie to get an equal public eduction... so be it... i think jail time and a felony conviction is more than excessive... i think it was the mother's dad... the grandfather's address... She's a single mom, going to college to be a teacher, working as a teacher's aide... she probaby should have just moved in with her dad... but then we'd call her a sponge...
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jan 26, 2011 18:11:03 GMT -5
And as I said, then don't lie about it. Go about it the correct way. If you choose to lie to get ahead, then you deserve whatever happens when you are caught lying. That doesn't make any sense, so if they lined her up against a wall and shot her that would be ok to, because she deserved what she got, she shouldn't have lied
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Post by b2r on Jan 26, 2011 18:11:45 GMT -5
Gee, I wonder if any students are crossing from Mexico daily?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:12:14 GMT -5
Geez, ridiculous. Who would even know you could go to jail for using a false address to get in a better school?? Some times you have to get your kid out. My youngest had trouble in 9th grade, same school my older kids went to, but different issues. I was fortunate that there was a very good charter school I could put her in in my neighborhood. Some people are not so lucky. Here in Tucson there is now open enrollment in schools. You can apply at any school. Deal is-- your kid has to be really good in all ways, or they are out. No big deal really. So, what do people not as fortunate as kids in Tucson do?? I guess they lie and maybe get caught and go to jail, or raise their kids in ghetto schools if that is all they can afford. Geez. That is why I went totally broke moving in to a neighborhood I really can't afford just so my kids could have good schools.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Jan 26, 2011 18:13:16 GMT -5
Students and parents already have that choice by deciding what school district to live in.
That does seem a bit excessive.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jan 26, 2011 18:13:38 GMT -5
She also filed false court documents. The jail time may be stemming from that, they didn't say exactly what she was convicted of except that it was a felony.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:13:39 GMT -5
The punishment was especially disproportionate considering i heard there were other kids at the same school doing the same thing, and they did NOT get prosecuted..
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Post by steff on Jan 26, 2011 18:15:51 GMT -5
Oh then I guess instead of working hard to get our son into a better school the right way instead of just lying about it, wasn't the right thing to do. How silly of us to teach him that if you want something, you work for it, you work HARD for it, you don't cheat and lie to get ahead.
Unbelievable
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:16:13 GMT -5
No... we've been discussing this on YM...
" They're called COURT records because they are legal documents attesting to where the student lives. She did not lie to a court of law, or tamper with existing documents. She simply listed her father's address instead of her's when filling out enrollment forms for her children. "
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Post by steff on Jan 26, 2011 18:18:53 GMT -5
Maybe I'll teach my son to lie on his college apps so he can get into a better school.... no reason to be honest now is there?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:26:11 GMT -5
Did anyone say she was right steff? At most i suggested it was understandable... Does lieing on your college ap mean a FELONY conviction and jail time?....
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Post by steff on Jan 26, 2011 18:38:47 GMT -5
I just have a problem with how acceptable lying seems to have become if the ends justify it. There seems to be this new "morality" that whatever it takes to get what you want....even lying is okay... working hard for something, setting a goal and making it the honest way doesn't matter anymore....
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 26, 2011 18:41:34 GMT -5
Can we be honest and not pretend this case would have gotten ANY attention if the "victim" were not a black woman?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:42:00 GMT -5
It wasn't like she was sitting at home on a sofa... she's working and going to college... and her kid needs schooling NOW, not in 5 years... and personally, i guess i would have just moved back in with my parents... but maybe that wasn't an option... anyway, i find it understandable... even if it wasn't right... and i can see them making her leave the school... but a felony conviction (will she even be able to teach now?) and jail time, even two weeks, seems excessive... especially when others in the school have/are doing the same thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:43:08 GMT -5
Can we be honest and say that, given she was the only one who was prosecuted for this, they might not even have forced the issue, if she hadn't been a black woman...
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Post by b2r on Jan 26, 2011 19:29:08 GMT -5
Boehner hopes to revive DC school voucher program(AP) – 5 hours ago WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP House Speaker John Boehner and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman introduced legislation Wednesday to revive a school voucher program for District of Columbia students nearly two years after Congress began phasing it out. In a statement Wednesday, Boehner said the D.C. program is a model that can work well in other cities and should be the starting point of any new bipartisan education reform legislation developed with President Barack Obama's administration. "There's only one program in America where the federal government allows parents from lower-income families to choose the schools that are best for their children, and it's right here in D.C.," Boehner said. "If we're serious about bipartisan education reform, then this bipartisan education bill should be the starting point." Democratic Washington Mayor Vincent Gray opposes the voucher program as an intrusion into local government. Through a spokeswoman, he said the city already has a popular public charter school system that provides parents a choice in education. Boehner, referring to Obama's State of the Union address on making the nation more competitive globally, said vouchers make the U.S. education system more competitive www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jRofx9rBpgB7xelRFg6TzkntRcaw?docId=7ed2b7b58a854f23bed4293db1e314ec
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 26, 2011 19:57:35 GMT -5
I pay taxes to support public schools which educate my fellow citizens. I vote for a school board to run the schools. Taxation with representation. If you give my tax money that I pay to support public schools to parents to use for their individual children as they see fit I am being taxed without representation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 19:59:16 GMT -5
I like that billis...
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 26, 2011 20:05:31 GMT -5
Can we be honest and not pretend this case would have gotten ANY attention if the "victim" were not a black woman? can I say that I've been reading the thread (sorry, haven't clicked on the video) and gave absolutely NO thought to what race these people are? why does it matter?
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Post by marjar on Jan 26, 2011 20:25:22 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 26, 2011 20:57:05 GMT -5
This happens all the time in Memphis. We have some of the worst schools in the state. Parents lying about their residency and stating the live in the city suburbs so their children can bet a better education. Some even cross the state line and have their children reside with friends in Mississippi so their kids can get a better education.
Some students from Mississippi live with friends in Memphis so they may attend city schools which historically have had excellent sports programs. Easier to get recognized by college recruiters while playing for Memphis school teams than in rural Mississippi district schools.
When caught they are returned to their original school(s). I am unaware of anyone being prosecuted though. I think some restitution to the school district would be appropriate but not jail time. Simply overkill.
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jan 26, 2011 21:08:43 GMT -5
Aint' this a whole lot like being made to sit at the back of the bus?
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Post by marjar on Jan 26, 2011 21:22:35 GMT -5
I just did more reading on this. Apparently, she had the option of paying restitution, and removing her kids from the school, or paying restitution and tuition, in order for her kids to continue at this school. She did neither, although other parents, who were caught, did one or both. While a felony seems like a harsh penalty, if all of that is true, she had options that would have prevented this from becoming a court case.
This school district reportedly offers incentives of 100 bucks to people who turn in illegally enrolled students.
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