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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 16:56:32 GMT -5
Hello all,
the interview went well per my wife. She was interviewed by 2 people: the person she will be reporting to and the person she is replacing (she is retiring).
Contrary to what we believed, it is not an entry position. My wife will be a manager and the case managers will be reporting to her (long term care department). As the lady said the people reporting to her will most likely make more than her because managers salary have to be voted and the last time an increase was voted/approved was 5 years ago (anyone knows anything about that?)
So the salary is 34k (10k pay cut) and will require some travel to some elders home, sites, etc. She asked her if she would be OK with it, some homes will be nice while some might look like those straight out of the hoarders show and she would need to have an open mind. etc.
My wife feels she would be quite comfortable doing the job and have no issue with it but is hesitant about the pay cut. All considered it was a good interview and she will be waiting to hear back from them.
But she is also thinking about approaching her boss on Monday about telecommuting/working from home; and only having to go in to work maybe one every other week or so (the day the have the medical counsel meetings).
Basically she likes the job, had a great interview and can definitely see herself working there but the pay cut is giving her pause. But we are not even sure if she got the job yet, fingers crossed.
Or hopeful her boss will say yes to her working from home.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 15, 2012 17:16:33 GMT -5
Ewwww..... yeah... there is just something about going back to the "30ks". It took DW way longer than it should have to break out of them, and I think going back would be a big hit to the self-esteem unless it came with other perks like a private office, toys, an assistant...
Can she negotiate a mileage reimbursement? I apply an automatic "fudge filter" to words like "some" (lots), "light" (heavy), "maybe" (if its something I don't want, maybe = will, if its something I DO want, maybe = won't), and "should" (same as before). I bet she'll be doing a lot of driving, and if she wanted to do that, she could just commute to her current job and make more money.
Do they know what she is making now? I'd be afraid that accepting a lower salary would hurt her future chances. A $10k paycut is far more devastating from $44k to $34k than it is from say $94k to $84k.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 17:21:50 GMT -5
Interesting dilemma. It's a little like how sometimes dept. managers (particularly asst. managers) earn less than their most talented sales associates in retail. Plenty take the step back down for that reason. Is that open to her? Or is there a clear career path leading to more money in a few years? I would have taken a job . . . almost any job . . . to have been with my husband when we were young. But that's how it was back then. Wives followed husbands. A lot of my friends have taught in multiple states without accruing pensions because of that. They always moved before they vested. No advice, by the way . . . just a reflection. I'm glad the interview went well.
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Post by swamp on Jun 15, 2012 19:10:56 GMT -5
Ewwww..... yeah... there is just something about going back to the "30ks". It took DW way longer than it should have to break out of them, and I think going back would be a big hit to the self-esteem unless it came with other perks like a private office, toys, an assistant... Can she negotiate a mileage reimbursement? I apply an automatic "fudge filter" to words like "some" (lots), "light" (heavy), "maybe" (if its something I don't want, maybe = will, if its something I DO want, maybe = won't), and "should" (same as before). I bet she'll be doing a lot of driving, and if she wanted to do that, she could just commute to her current job and make more money. Do they know what she is making now? I'd be afraid that accepting a lower salary would hurt her future chances. A $10k paycut is far more devastating from $44k to $34k than it is from say $94k to $84k. Shes in a LCOLA of NYs and $34k there isn't seen as a bad salary. I wouldn't worry about the payout. The cost of living is way lower therm where they were living, the experience as a manger is great, and she'll meet all sorts of other people who may have a better paying job for her. I'd take the job. It's easier to get a job when you have a job.
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Post by 2kids10horses on Jun 15, 2012 21:27:01 GMT -5
Rabbit.
Oh, wait....
not that kind of "vibes".
Sorry.
Uh.... how do you navigate to EE?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 23:39:31 GMT -5
If it is a public hospital or a public entity, you can google it with 'salary vote' and you may find the information on line. Otherwise it's a trip to the library & newpaper archives for you!
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Post by The J on Jun 19, 2012 11:39:49 GMT -5
As the lady said the people reporting to her will most likely make more than her because managers salary have to be voted and the last time an increase was voted/approved was 5 years ago (anyone knows anything about that?) It means that she'd be non-union. In local governments, non-union employees are (generally) still paid on a grade/step basis. However, the amounts of those grades and steps are not determined through collective bargaining, but through legislation (i.e., since this is a county job she's looking at, the county board of legislators would have to pass an act amending the pay plan). With the political climate and recession and all that, lots of unrepresented management throughout the state (and probably country) have been without raises for quite some time.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 19, 2012 12:19:05 GMT -5
...:::"Shes in a LCOLA of NYs and $34k there isn't seen as a bad salary. I wouldn't worry about the payout.":::...
I did say "unless it comes with other perks". My fear is that taking too large of a pay cut will hurt her future earning potential. As it is right now, she can continue to earn $10k more, but still live relatively low cost as she lives with cawaiu's Mom.
The experience has value though. This is a tough choice.
...:::"I'd take the job. It's easier to get a job when you have a job.":::...
But she does have a job, it is just not local.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 19, 2012 14:01:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't give up 10k for anything. That's a lot of money and it will take her years to get it back. Unless they could come up with 10k worth of bennies like car lease, gas reimbursement, and extra vacation weeks and a lot of other perks.
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Post by kindthatjingles on Jun 19, 2012 14:06:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't give up 10k for anything. That's a lot of money and it will take her years to get it back. Unless they could come up with 10k worth of bennies like car lease, gas reimbursement, and extra vacation weeks and a lot of other perks. That's the problem I see. I gave it up and still have not gotten it back.. But I went from Retail management to an office.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 14:25:38 GMT -5
Can she negotiate? She may not get 10K but maybe she'd get 5K?
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2012 14:38:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't give up 10k for anything. That's a lot of money and it will take her years to get it back. Unless they could come up with 10k worth of bennies like car lease, gas reimbursement, and extra vacation weeks and a lot of other perks. it's county employment, you can't negotiate extras. And DH took a $10k paycut to take his current job. The hours were much more attractive in a hospital pharmacy as opposed to retail.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 19, 2012 14:44:41 GMT -5
...:::"That's the problem I see. I gave it up and still have not gotten it back.. But I went from Retail management to an office.":::... Especially with the pessimism on the horizon. $35k might become the new $45k On the other hand, if their future does include kids and a SAHM, just have her take the job and move to be with you. Living with your Mother can't be too fun...
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Post by midjd on Jun 19, 2012 14:51:53 GMT -5
I think Cawaiu's been pretty clear that the SAHM option is permanently off the table... (with those SLs I don't blame him).
Of course, she could work another 8 or so years - enough to have them discharged - and THEN become a SAHM without too much of a financial hit. But again with what Cawaiu has said it doesn't sound likely.
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2012 14:54:41 GMT -5
I think Cawaiu's been pretty clear that the SAHM option is permanently off the table... (with those SLs I don't blame him). Of course, she could work another 8 or so years - enough to have them discharged - and THEN become a SAHM without too much of a financial hit. But again with what Cawaiu has said it doesn't sound likely. Are you kidding? She's 27, she'll be 35 by then. Don't you know her eggs will be dried up crusty little critters by then?
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 19, 2012 15:01:59 GMT -5
My meaning was more that in spite of what happened, they are best buds and I'm sure her living with his mother will get old VERY fast (unless she is being treated like royalty in which case she should stay where she is).
It doesn't sound like her career prospects are drastically harmed by staying where she is. Its not like she is currently working at Starbucks or anything. She has a professional job in her field.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 19, 2012 15:06:44 GMT -5
It'd be a paycut from her current job but you are comparing her current salary in a higher cost of living area to the new one in a lower cost of living area. Jobs won't pay as much. Caiwau got a raise and their living expenses are lower so I think that would compensate for most of her paycut. Sure it would be nice to keep the same salary but is reasonable to expect that making a lateral career move to a LCOL area?
It is a position that would allow her to continue to be eligible for forgiveness of her federal loans. Given the size of her loans, I think some serious weight has to be given to that.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 19, 2012 15:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 19, 2012 15:20:21 GMT -5
I think the less sex they have until those loans are forgiven, the better. Sneaking and trying to get pregnant is a huge red flag to me. Such a basic thing, to trust your spouse/partner, and to not be able to. That'd kill me. I realize they have great sex, we've all been privy to that but what is that, compared to trust and being on the same page? I had great sex with my ex but he was a liar, a cheat, and a thief. Not so great sex now but with a good person. One I can trust and rely on. Makes all the difference in the world. Now if he would just dance!
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 19, 2012 15:20:56 GMT -5
I thought she was 25.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 19, 2012 16:11:22 GMT -5
...:::"It'd be a paycut from her current job but you are comparing her current salary in a higher cost of living area to the new one in a lower cost of living area. Jobs won't pay as much.":::...
This is true, and I didn't expect her to be able to get the exact same salary for a lateral move. Going back to the job description though, I hope she at least asks for mileage reimbursement or something like that. Cawiau said she'd have to do site visits. That is an additional cost.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 19, 2012 16:12:14 GMT -5
A gas card or mileage should certainly be on the table.
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Post by 2kids10horses on Jun 21, 2012 20:14:34 GMT -5
mileage would be a tax deduction.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Jun 21, 2012 22:15:00 GMT -5
mileage would be a tax deduction. If they itemize and then it would be limited to 2% of AGI. She should be reimbursed for any mileage she incurs.
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 22, 2012 1:11:32 GMT -5
Carl, any update?
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Post by Jaguar on Jun 22, 2012 2:35:12 GMT -5
Yeah were waiting to see what happens. I wish them both lots of happiness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2012 14:28:50 GMT -5
Did she get the job, Carl?
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Post by Jaguar on Jul 1, 2012 14:32:12 GMT -5
testing 1 2 3
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 2, 2012 10:07:41 GMT -5
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