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Post by Firebird on Jun 6, 2012 22:25:51 GMT -5
Please note that most people on this board were supportive and most people on this thread support your right to have it deleted. Most people are playing around with the best way to notify people of a deleted thread, not questioning your right (or other posters) to have it deleted. As mmhmm pointed out no one is perfect.Thank you, Maryjane. As I said, I wasn't advocating that we not delete threads on request or commenting specifically on your deletion request, stl. I just would like some way of being notified about the basic reason a thread is deleted, especially one we've all invested a lot into and is started by a poster we care about very much. Take care, stl... Like I said, we are all rooting for you.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 6, 2012 22:26:34 GMT -5
Oh, and I second Mid's comments about chiver and mmmhmm. Much appreciated, ladies.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 6, 2012 22:36:37 GMT -5
Stl, I am so so glad that you realized how much info you really posted. I don't know much about computers, but if you are truly worried about your H - make sure you delete whatever you can from YOUR computer too. I hope things work out well for you and your son.
Lena
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Post by stl76 on Jun 6, 2012 22:44:30 GMT -5
"Thank you, Maryjane. As I said, I wasn't advocating that we not delete threads on request or commenting specifically on your deletion request, stl. I just would like some way of being notified about the basic reason a thread is deleted, especially one we've all invested a lot into and is started by a poster we care about very much."
I understand and had i known how quick and efficient our mods are i probably would have posted saying i was going to ask for it to be removed then waited to make the request.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 6, 2012 23:25:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind comments! We really do try, and we're often really, really trying! ;D Seriously, if you ever have a problem or need to have something here looked at, don't hesitate to drop a line to a mod, or report a post. If your mods aren't here any of us will be glad to help. I'm here quite a bit and am always glad to help out where I can.
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Post by Opti on Jun 6, 2012 23:28:06 GMT -5
I missed it and I feel at best I only got the highlights of what the thread might have been about.
I do like the idea of a thread telling posters a thread has been deleted. If it is really security oriented perhaps the notification thread should be deleted too within 24 hours, two days, or whatever as a safety feature.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 9:43:27 GMT -5
Good suggestion, Optimist. Also, it doesn't necessarily need to say who started the thread- the name will be enough to prompt recognition for people who were following along. So that could help with security also, leaving off the OP's name.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2012 11:22:36 GMT -5
I know it's probably frustrating to have a thread that you're following go poof with no warning, but it's not something that they do with all that much frequency on these boards. And I totally understand were the OP was coming from in that thread. As people ask questions you answer and over the course of the thread provide way more personal details than you originally intended, which is the only way to get really specific advice for your situation, but after several hundred posts you realize that the thread in it's entirety is just way too personally identifiable. Been there on the old YM, to the point that by the end of the thread several people contacted me off the boards, one by mail to my home address which was kind of freaky.
I know, I know, it was my fault for sharing that much personal info, but it happens easier than you think. Especially since everybody has the option of combing through all your old posts while reading the newest thread.
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Post by Formerly SK on Jun 7, 2012 11:31:10 GMT -5
OP - I just wanted to apologize for my earlier post (that has since been deleted). Right after I posted it I realized it was stupid to summarize the other thread and went to delete it but couldn't find it. I think I got confused that there were two threads on this issue - one on each YM board. I kept searching the wrong board/thread waiting for my post to appear so I could delete it. By the time I found it, it had been deleted for me. Anyway, I wish you all the best during this time.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2012 11:39:45 GMT -5
That is really freaking - and what is the point of it? To demonstrate your sherlock skills? *shrug* I guess.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 12:02:02 GMT -5
I know it's probably frustrating to have a thread that you're following go poof with no warning, but it's not something that they do with all that much frequency on these boards.
Again, I'm not questioning the fact that sometimes threads have to be deleted. I get it. I've even considered asking for my hospitality thread to be deleted, since they've redeemed themselves and now I feel kind of petty for posting a thread bitching about them. We all post things we regret, threads don't get deleted often - I understand, and I acknowledged that in my OP.
This is not a slam on the mods at all; they do a great job. I just think it would be nice to let people know when and, if possible, why a thread has vanished.
I would vote for a combination of Hoops' and Optimist's ideas; post a new thread with the same title as the original thread, write a single quick post saying "This thread has been deleted for X reason," lock it to guard against further discussion, and take it down after 24 hours if there's a security concern.
People who had the old thread bookmarked wouldn't automatically see it - they'd have to go to the forum to find it, but that way people who are looking for the thread can see what's happened, but the mods can still move quickly when people request a thread deletion.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2012 12:19:00 GMT -5
As I said in the other thread, the lack of a message was a proboards limitation (without getting into too much specifics on the differences between moving and deleting and all that).
I am willing to post an "I deleted this thread because of..." if this does not become a regular occurrence. If it does, we'll have to come up with a standard policy.
Also, I try to PM people when I think they have given out a nugget that could expose more than they intended.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jun 7, 2012 12:20:01 GMT -5
...:::"post a new thread with the same title as the original thread, write a single quick post saying "This thread has been deleted for X reason," lock it to guard against further discussion, and take it down after 24 hours if there's a security concern.":::...
This is what I considered doing, and can do in the future. People will just have to be conscious to scan the thread list by TITLE, as the "new" thread will have a different OP and a lower post count.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 12:32:20 GMT -5
This is what I considered doing, and can do in the future. People will just have to be conscious to scan the thread list by TITLE, as the "new" thread will have a different OP and a lower post count.
Thanks, WWBG. I personally would very much appreciate this communication from the mods when a thread needs to be deleted. It seems like the best way to respect the OP's desire and also the body of posters who contribute to a thread.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 7, 2012 13:33:30 GMT -5
Firebird, if the OP requests the thread be deleted for any reason, it will be. It their thread, and their decision. Doesn't matter if anyone else thinks it should happen. If they ask, it will be.
The majority of the time, rather than a thread being deleted, it gets moved to a board that's not accessible unless you're an admin.
I think most times it's probably pretty obvious why it happens - it's degenerated to nothing but name calling/finger pointing, personal attacks, whatever. And most times, I think it's also pretty obvious when the OP is feeling really sorry they've put something out there so it shouldn't be much of a surprise when it's suddenly gone.
As far as I'm concerned I don't believe mods should feel obligated to explain why, unless it is for general tone/ CoC issues. And in those situations there will have been warnings issued in the thread ahead of time. Again, should be no surprise.
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Post by midjd on Jun 7, 2012 13:40:24 GMT -5
Moon, I agree with all this except - if someone checks in on a thread and then logs off for a few hours, often it's not apparent why the thread was deleted (esp. as when things get ugly, they get ugly fast). The last time I saw the deleted thread, it seemed to be going pretty well, so I was a little confused when I went looking for it later. I was glad to see it was deleted at the OP's request and not because of any CoC violations. I do think it is usually pretty clear to those posting - but for those who haven't been around in a few hours/days, it can be confusing. Just my opinion, which is worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 7, 2012 13:41:12 GMT -5
I know it's probably frustrating to have a thread that you're following go poof with no warning, but it's not something that they do with all that much frequency on these boards. And I totally understand were the OP was coming from in that thread. As people ask questions you answer and over the course of the thread provide way more personal details than you originally intended, which is the only way to get really specific advice for your situation, but after several hundred posts you realize that the thread in it's entirety is just way too personally identifiable. Been there on the old YM, to the point that by the end of the thread several people contacted me off the boards, one by mail to my home address which was kind of freaky. I know, I know, it was my fault for sharing that much personal info, but it happens easier than you think. Especially since everybody has the option of combing through all your old posts while reading the newest thread. That is really freaking - and what is the point of it? To demonstrate your sherlock skills? I would be freaked too - and very angry! If any of you figure out who I am in RL (many here already know) I like flowers, chocolates, wine and money and I will accept all deliveries! ;D
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 7, 2012 13:41:41 GMT -5
You can always PM a mod and ask them, but I really don't feel that we need to make public explanations about it because that just becomes more fodder for gossip and flaming.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 13:47:04 GMT -5
I also disagree that it's "usually obvious" why a thread is being deleted; a lot of times, it goes south quickly and if posters haven't had a chance to check in on the thread in awhile, it will NOT be obvious why it's suddenly gone.
I don't think that threads should always be deleted upon request, but that's my own opinion and not really relevant here; I accept that they ARE deleted on request, I just don't think that should be the final word when many people seriously invest in these threads.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jun 7, 2012 13:49:37 GMT -5
If any of you figure out who I am in RL (many here already know) I like flowers, chocolates, wine and money and I will accept all deliveries! ;D If anyone new figures out who I am, or the ones who already know want to send me mail, I like everything on the above list except flowers, chocolate, and wine.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 7, 2012 14:01:02 GMT -5
I also disagree that it's "usually obvious" why a thread is being deleted; a lot of times, it goes south quickly and if posters haven't had a chance to check in on the thread in awhile, it will NOT be obvious why it's suddenly gone. I don't think that threads should always be deleted upon request, but that's my own opinion and not really relevant here; I accept that they ARE deleted on request, I just don't think that should be the final word when many people seriously invest in these threads. 1st point, see my answer directly above your post. 2nd point, it's their intellectual property. i understand that others put forth effort to contribute to it but if it's not your thread that you started, you have no say in whether or not the OP should be allowed to have it deleted. sorry.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 7, 2012 14:04:46 GMT -5
Dark , LOL!! For those of you that are upset about your profound posts being nuked may I suggest that you copy and paste them elsewhere for your enjoyment later?
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 14:09:11 GMT -5
moonbeam - I suppose we can always PM you but it seems inefficient to have a bunch of people either PMing you or starting threads asking "What happened to X thread" when a simple post explaining what happened could head off all the questions. As for threads being the IP of the OP ( ), I agree to disagree on that one.
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Post by moxie on Jun 7, 2012 14:10:27 GMT -5
"I like everything on the above list except flowers, chocolate, and wine." ^I will take those then...tulips/daffodils, multi-colored; dark chocolate, minimum 70% cacao (heart healthy); and chilled Riesling. Thank you in advance.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jun 7, 2012 14:15:46 GMT -5
What exactly is the definition of Intellectual Property? Does it only apply to OP, or all the posts that are made on the board?
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Post by midjd on Jun 7, 2012 14:18:08 GMT -5
I was just going to ask the same question as Lena. I'm not an IP scholar, but I don't believe the OP has the intellectual property rights to others' contributions to the OP's thread...
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Post by The J on Jun 7, 2012 14:22:41 GMT -5
I was just going to ask the same question as Lena. I'm not an IP scholar, but I don't believe the OP has the intellectual property rights to others' contributions to the OP's thread... The OP certainly has the right to delete anything they've posted. That doesn't mean that the entire thread (the majority of which is written by people who are not the OP) is the intellectual property of the OP.
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Post by Firebird on Jun 7, 2012 14:24:05 GMT -5
What exactly is the definition of Intellectual Property? Does it only apply to OP, or all the posts that are made on the board?
It's a complicated definition. I'm certainly no expert but I don't believe other people's posts qualify. Only their own.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 7, 2012 14:24:31 GMT -5
What exactly is the definition of Intellectual Property? Does it only apply to OP, or all the posts that are made on the board? as far as I'm concerned, it applies to all posts made on the board. each person has the ability to delete their own posts for that reason. however, if the OP asks to have a thread removed, it's simplest to do exactly that (especially in the case of a very long thread) than to go through and remove individual posts belonging to that member. Additionally, were we to remove only that person's posts, all the rest of the thread makes little sense, plus we'd also have to remove quotes of the OP statements, etc. so in that case, even though i am also removing other people's intellectual property, without them asking, it's more expedient. It gets hard to manage..
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 7, 2012 14:26:34 GMT -5
Plus when people quote their posts that they want removed their private/personal info. will still be there for all to see and they can't delete those.
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