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Post by floridayankee on Jan 26, 2011 10:49:22 GMT -5
Rather like when people state that liberals dislike Sarah because she is attractive. No, that is not why we do not dislike Sarah. Comments like that make me wonder what the mindset of her supporters is. Agreed...but the "she's an idiot" / "she's stupid" should make you wonder about the mindset within your own ranks as well. Honestly, both dems and repubs can and do say stupid shit all the time. If that's the only point someone can find to disagree with a politician, I'm not going to waste my time worrying about it.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 26, 2011 10:53:24 GMT -5
Here is a question for you. Why do you like Obama?
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 26, 2011 11:00:06 GMT -5
perhaps it's the rabid obsession that some on the far left have with them that keeps them in the press. To be honest, I hear much more about these two from our resident progressive "smear campaign" reposters than I do in the local news.
When I could care less about "who wins", I'll be the one going against the majority and rooting the underdog (I'm an asshole like that). The more the progressives attack 'em, the more I tend to like 'em.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 11:02:57 GMT -5
He is articulate and inspiring, a good motivator, something an executive should be. He shares many of my beliefs about social issues, and if you actually READ, and LISTEN you will see that they are not so 'liberal'... he's actually very moderate. I enjoy his grasp on issues like race and internationa relations... even though it doesn't seem like policy always follows his ideals (although an executive is not in charge of all policy and programming... we wrote our government to be interdependent and inefficient for a reason)...
He is also one of the most deft political figures i have ever seen. Now there have been some sidesteps since he's been in office (the whole beer summit/comments leading up to it?)... but it must be hard to be that in control for so many year... but he is, almosst exclusively, in control... and knows exactly what he is doing, and can play an amazing game.... its a joy to watch. He is very intelligent, and cunning...
I heard a story from campaigning, a child gave him a Micky Mouse hat... and he said to the press... bet you'd love to get a picture of me in this hat, wouldn't you... but he wouldn't put it on... he knows that every word and action has a consequence... he chooses carefully, and he maintains control beautifully... If Palin was standing up and someone shouted "you lie" to her, there would be a hissy fit... Obama just takes the moment... reigns it in, and moves on...
Thats just some of the reasons...
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 26, 2011 11:07:29 GMT -5
oped, I gave you karma for #30 and #34. You said it better than I could.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 11:08:56 GMT -5
Going with the underdog is fine at a wrestling match, or little league tournament... but not when i'm talking about the well being of my country. I know a few dems who would love if Palin got the nomination... because it would be such an easy win... but i'd prefer not... i'd prefer a viable, intelligent candidate with whom i can see a good debate between the sides (but then i get off on smart...)...
I actually liked the movie Idiocracy... it was funny... but if one of those women seriously entered the race for national leader (and not just some kind of media figurehead)... it would be too close to Idiocracy for comfort in my opinion... I don't want national debate and leadership to resemeble a wrestling match (with jello?) ... in any way, shape, or form...
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 26, 2011 11:17:06 GMT -5
Rather like when people state that liberals dislike Sarah because she is attractive. No, that is not why we do not dislike Sarah. Comments like that make me wonder what the mindset of her supporters is. Agreed...but the "she's an idiot" / "she's stupid" should make you wonder about the mindset within your own ranks as well. Honestly, both dems and repubs can and do say stupid shit all the time. If that's the only point someone can find to disagree with a politician, I'm not going to waste my time worrying about it.Then why did you bother commenting in the first place?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 26, 2011 11:19:31 GMT -5
He is articulate and inspiring, a good motivator, something an executive should be. He shares many of my beliefs about social issues, and if you actually READ, and LISTEN you will see that they are not so 'liberal'... he's actually very moderate.
I see you were captivated, and still are, by the "freshness" of his campaign and all the great lines that were written for him which he read off of a teleprompter. Hope and change, choose hope over fear, we are at a crossroads, let me be clear...... and the great delivery on each spoon-fed line. So, what has he actually done? Thrown around fake stimulus money, QE2, DADT, a symbolic arms treaty with the Russians..? He seems to still exude assertiveness and confidence but in reality he has done nothing. Would Sarah Palin be able to do something? She sounds like she could but at this point it is almost all in vain and you will need to suffer greatly for your governments actions in the last 100 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 11:24:21 GMT -5
I've read his books too... I'm not just talking about his speeches, although they are very good. And i like his live story. He has actually done quite a bit.
I've read Palin's story too... its a story of excess and bad governance choices (even in her small circle) and a lot of luck... and being pretty and 'edgy'.... and leaving a lot of debt in her wake... and never seeming to stick with a choice... and never being able to adqueately defend on (just harp on how bad everyone else is... and how THEY should take personal responsiblity?)... I see NOTHING to inspire me there...
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 26, 2011 11:32:26 GMT -5
Going with the underdog is fine at a wrestling match, or little league tournament... but not when i'm talking about the well being of my country. You do realize we're talking about one congresswoman out of 435 and a fox news pundit....do you not? I'm not too concerned. You mean how dare I point out that baseless, irrational reasoning isn't exclusively a "right wing" trait? Or does not worrying about baseless, irrational reasoning mean I can no longer post about it?
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 26, 2011 11:34:48 GMT -5
I see NOTHING to inspire me there...
You do not need inspiration, motivation or to feel good about any politician. You need actions that will bring corporations and jobs back to America. Obama is incapable of such actions. 99% of all politicians are incapable of such actions. There are only a few that have touched on the subjects required to facilitate what needs to happen. They are not considered "viable" so it is almost certain you will follow the path to ruin.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 26, 2011 11:40:08 GMT -5
Going with the underdog is fine at a wrestling match, or little league tournament... but not when i'm talking about the well being of my country. You do realize we're talking about one congresswoman out of 435 and a fox news pundit....do you not? I'm not too concerned. You mean how dare I point out that baseless, irrational reasoning isn't exclusively a "right wing" trait? Or does not worrying about baseless, irrational reasoning mean I can no longer post about it? If I misconstrued your statement "I'm not going to waste my time worrying about it." I apologize. I thought you meant it was not worth commenting on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 11:41:25 GMT -5
I'm not usually too concerned florida ... but when people start taking these women seriously, i find it hard not to get concerned... not just because of the nature of the one or two figures being talked about... but by extention what must be the nature of the mass who is actually taking them seriously... No one is capable of that action by themselves burns... we specifically set up our government so that no one person could take that action... you need to be able to inspire and motivate in order to get CONGRESS to take that action, in order to get a mass of people to so want the same thing that they encourage their representatives to vote in a certain way... Palin would accomplish nothing but throwing a hissy fit every other day, cause people aren't giving her the respect she thinks she deserves... she's so devisive, NOTHING would ever get done... Say what you want about Obama, but there has actually been a LOT of legislative change under him... because he does know how to negotiate... And you know the ONLY person since November talking about a need to re-vamp Social Security... Obama... Republicans get in there with 'We'll reduce the deficit" ... and only want to talk about the 10% discretionary spending... not mention of defense... except to complain about cuts... no mention about SS/medi... no mention of anything that will actually DO anything... lets cut NPR... (and Amtrak and Energy research... ?) ... that'll save us... yeah... ok...
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 26, 2011 12:33:32 GMT -5
If I misconstrued your statement "I'm not going to waste my time worrying about it." I apologize. I thought you meant it was not worth commenting on. No need to apologize...poor choice of words on my part I guess. To clarify...I don't lose sleep over baseless, irrational arguments such as "she's stupid" and "she's an idiot". Comments like that really carry no weight, IMHO. Don't waste your time worrying about it Tenn.... IMHO, you give them too much credit.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jan 26, 2011 12:42:19 GMT -5
Who are the voters that sent this ignoramus to Congress? She even more ignorant than Sarah Palin!
And now they know it in all 57 states.
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Post by jkapp on Jan 26, 2011 12:49:28 GMT -5
She is an idiot. She also thinks she's a beauty queen (with elephant ears). I also wonder what kind of people would send someone like her to Congress. Is Minnesota really that deranged? Am I allowed to use the "R" word...? I've asking that question for years, especially with pols like Rangle, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, etc. And, seriously, Al Franken??? I think the "R" word definitely fits in with that group
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 26, 2011 12:50:45 GMT -5
They already have Anderson Cooper, but I think he prefers to catch. Anyway, if he and Olbermann would just come out already, I think they could capture a whole other demographic...
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Post by kent on Jan 26, 2011 13:24:26 GMT -5
She is an idiot. She also thinks she's a beauty queen (with elephant ears). I also wonder what kind of people would send someone like her to Congress. Is Minnesota really that deranged? Nothing like personal attacks to try and make a point - typical. Oh, is Minnesota really that damaged? Does the name Al Franken ring a bell?
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Post by lakhota on Jan 26, 2011 16:54:38 GMT -5
Rachel Maddow Smacks Down CNN For Airing Bachmann's SOTU Response (VIDEO) Rachel Maddow criticized CNN for airing Michele Bachmann's Tea Party-themed response to the State of the Union, calling it an "inexplicable" decision. CNN was the only network to air both the official Republican response, given by Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan, and Bachmann's speech. Speaking on Tuesday night, after the response had aired, Maddow said she was at a loss to explain CNN's choice. "Michele Bachmann is not the national spokesperson for the Republican Party," she said. "She is unlikely anytime soon to be chosen to be the spokesperson for her party. But tonight, inexplicably, a national news network decided that they would give Michele Bachmann a job that her own party never did." Maddow called it "a remarkable act of journalistic intervention to elevate, in effect, a group with which they are co-sponsoring a presidential debate...to the level of the major parties in this country." CNN, Maddow said, "decided tonight not to just cover the news about the State of the Union, they decided to make their own." WATCH: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/26/rachel-maddow-cnn-bachmann-sotu_n_814149.html
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Post by ugonow on Jan 26, 2011 16:59:12 GMT -5
I have to laugh at the lib talking heads. They jump all over her for the slavery remark,but did not even think twice about her talking about Obama's 2009 deficit spending in her charts. [ hint.... it was not his budget]
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 27, 2011 8:03:44 GMT -5
Nothing like personal attacks to try and make a point - typical. Oh, is Minnesota really that damaged? Does the name Al Franken ring a bell? Don't think Lak's response is anything special Kent. Both sides use this tactic when they have nothing of merit to discuss.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 27, 2011 10:26:40 GMT -5
True or False:
1. Slavery was a major moral sticking point during our founding and the writing of the Constitution. 2. Slavery continued to be a major moral issue until it was finally ended as an institution in the United States a century before it ended elsewhere. 3. The United States' civil war, technological innovations, and growing international influence subsequently influenced or outright compelled the freedom for slaves throughout European western democracies. 4. Slavery continues to this day throughout much of the world, including an active slave trade in Africa, the middle east, and Asia.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 27, 2011 10:35:20 GMT -5
Sweetie... i'm proud of the women who worked to give women equal rights in this world... i'm grateful... but the only thing that women like Bauchman and Palin prove is that its still all about looks... because Repubicans have some VERY, VERY smart women on their side... but no, its the vapid, ill informed, under-educated that get all the press... this woman is ridiculous... if she were a MAN... she would never get the play time... if she was ugly, or overweight... she'd never get the play time... It actually hurts women a lot, and i think detracts from the party, to have these women be chosen as spokes persons... really... how can you be taken seriously..? how can you actually be seen as a proponent of equality when the women you choose as spokepersons are beautiful, but brainless... It sure is all about looks. Some women just can't stand conservative women, but if they're beautiful, happy, confident, or Christian-- look out! Angry, ugly feminists really are a caddy bunch.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 27, 2011 10:45:31 GMT -5
True or False: 1. Slavery was a major moral sticking point during our founding and the writing of the Constitution. 2. Slavery continued to be a major moral issue until it was finally ended as an institution in the United States a century before it ended elsewhere. 3. The United States' civil war, technological innovations, and growing international influence subsequently influenced or outright compelled the freedom for slaves throughout European western democracies. 4. Slavery continues to this day throughout much of the world, including an active slave trade in Africa, the middle east, and Asia. 1. Three-fifths true? Or would it be three-fifths untrue? 2. Moral for some, economic for others; "elsewhere" where? 3. I taught students that if the teacher has qualified the statement extensively on a true/false question, always mark true. 4. Immoral and excludes us, bet it is true. Did I pass?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 12:02:49 GMT -5
paul... you are smarter than that... and that is what i find truly troubling... you are smarter than that... and you still think these women are viable candidates? You cannot see the utter lack of intelligence? an actual, almost glee in how anti-intellectual they are? The teenage behavior and childish theatrics? The lack of decorum and substance?
That you could take them seriously is disconcerting, frankly. And if i may say, a real drag on the rebuilding of any kind of substantive party... because you will not get intelligent people to join the forces of this type of person. You will attract a certain fringe, but you will never build a sustainable force, not even in the short term...
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Post by busymom on Jan 29, 2011 14:22:40 GMT -5
I will say that Bachmann makes blondes (like me!) look smart! Sadly, people in this country still tend to vote for a pretty girl, like Bachmann, rather than an intelligent girl. (Remember all the attention that was paid to Palin's wardrobe once she was a Vice-Presidential candidate?) In campaigning, it's still all about looks!
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 29, 2011 17:01:39 GMT -5
When the president publicly refers to people who disagree with him as "hostage takers", I don't think his supporters have any business discussing decorum...but, I'm sure you've never heard that Obama said that, right?
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