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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 14:54:44 GMT -5
What I took from my catholic upbringing was a deep reverence for life (no abortions, vegan) a belief in the power of good works, and a true appreciation for stained glass and marble. Nice one. You don't think you could have learned to have reverence for these concepts without the Church?
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Post by hockeygrl on May 11, 2012 14:54:59 GMT -5
I was raised Baptist and take DS to church when I go (sporadically). I'm not stuck on only Baptist, I am currently trying out a bunch of Christian Bible-based churches in the area right now. I like several of them and might commit to one eventually.
I enjoyed church as a child, and I am glad to have my faith. I want to provide that same base to my son. When he is older, I hope he keeps his faith, but I understand that people live their own lives. My judgement is not the one that matters in belief system.
My parents are devout Baptists - and my late brother was a homosexual atheist. My parents were and are sad that he remained an atheist until his death, because it is their belief that he is in hell and they will not have eternal life with him in Heaven. His choices did not prevent them from loving him and being by his side on the day he passed.
Being religious does not equal being a judgmental pinhead.
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 14:56:00 GMT -5
did you all see Moon's post?
I'm hoping she lets us stay here if we play nice. Everyone has been civil so far (she says optimistically).
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 14:56:18 GMT -5
she said the only place you can discuss religion on here is the religion thread in the Healthy Living section... and there are special rules to follow. This thread will be locked soon (probably) so no worries.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 14:56:52 GMT -5
did you all see Moon's post? I'm hoping she lets us stay here if we play nice. Everyone has been civil so far (she says optimistically). No, it'll get locked.
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Post by raeoflyte on May 11, 2012 14:58:10 GMT -5
I also think it's important for children to learn how to be still, quiet, and polite even while bored out of their mind. I love that! And agree, it is a skill more adults need.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on May 11, 2012 14:58:34 GMT -5
This isn't a thread about religion, it's a thread about raising children.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 11, 2012 14:59:16 GMT -5
We didn't push it down their throats but I feel all kids need to experience the teachings and fellowship churches offer.Why? So they don't grow up to be idiots about the topic and at least understand the fundamentals of religion, God, Jesus, and what the Bible is about. So they get to experience the sense of community that churches most often teach. To know what choices there are out there regarding different kinds of religions and beliefs. To understand why there are wars over religious beliefs, and to be able to hold conversations with other people instead of looking like this when the subject comes up:
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 14:59:33 GMT -5
This isn't a thread about religion, it's a thread about raising children. with religion. You can't expect the rules to only apply to the people you want them to apply to when it's convenient for you.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2012 15:02:12 GMT -5
But how is she going to be able to make that choice if she only goes to one type of church? Or do you plan to take her to lots of different churches so she can make an informed decision?
Probably not. DH and I if I have to give us a label are Christians, it's what we are familiar with and comfortable with. So she'd be going to a christian church if we decide to go that route.
But it isn't like I am going to ban her from any knowledge of other religions and I wouldn't stop her if she wanted to go with someone else to another church.
My mom was raised old school Catholic. You went to heaven, everyone else is going to hell and we don't talk about them.
She doesn't swallow the hell part but it's been interesting at times when my mom's lack of knowledge about other religions shows.
I don't plan on raising Gwen like that.
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:02:22 GMT -5
That being said, DD is still very little, but I'm teaching her about other cultures and religions. I want her to understand that there are a lot of different beliefs out there and she should not be judgmental of people who believe differently. At Christmas time we were walking through Target and she just started randomly shouting out to other shoppers, "Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah! Happy Kwanza!" I was amused and a bit embarrassed at the same time. Karma for you. I applaud that approach. And your DD sounds very cute
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 11, 2012 15:04:00 GMT -5
kgb's daughter is absolutely adorable/gorgeous and you should see her rock her shades!
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:04:23 GMT -5
I just want to point out that religion has been the ONE topic that we don't allow anywhere but the religious discussions area.
This may well be moved there, and there are some very specific rules for that board. Please read them.
I didn't know about that rule, sorry. If you need to move it, no problem. But if we can talk about it respectfully, I hope you'll consider letting it stay here.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 11, 2012 15:04:24 GMT -5
actually - speaking of being old alone and poor, I've considered becoming a catholic nun in my old age. My kids think it's nuts, but I could get into a life of quiet contemplation.....I'll just smile and nod at the things I don't strictly agree with. LOL!! Not a bad idea except for that dang celibacy clause!
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:06:29 GMT -5
I don't know how I'd react. I'm Catholic, it's part of who I am and even when I wasn't attending church, I was still Catholic. It's like having green eyes for me. I can't really explain it. [image] DH is Lutheran and agreed to have the kids Baptized Catholic. I'm not sure why he caved, to be honest. I know my Mom had a brief conversation with him and after that he decided on Catholic.
I don't know if this helps you any FB. Just honestly curious to hear your take
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:07:18 GMT -5
Being religious does not equal being a judgmental pinhead.
No, it doesn't.
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Post by Sam_2.0 on May 11, 2012 15:07:21 GMT -5
DH and I were raised in conservative Christian families (not quite as far out as the Duggars, but we were the home schooling, denim wearing, scrunchie loving type ). We intend to raise DD in the church, and we hope to home school her as well. For me, I believe it is part of my duty as a Christian to teach my children about the faith and why I believe what I do. Now that I have a kid, I am starting to go back through a lot of the "basics", and its good for me to work through a lot of the questions and thoughts again to figure out why I believe what I do and what it really means to me. please note: these are my beliefs & opinions - I in no way intend to offend anyone else by them
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Post by teen persuasion on May 11, 2012 15:08:07 GMT -5
DH and I were both raised Catholic, and both attended Catholic schools ES thru Jesuit college.
We are raising the kids w/ religion, because we feel that faith is important, and for social aspects. The kids are free to question things w/ us, and make their own choices as adults (just as we did). DH and I differ on some aspects our our beliefs, and the kids are often part of the conversations. The kids are also exposed to some other faiths thru their friends.
We live in a rural farming community, and belonging to some church is more the norm. This small community's civic and church groups are tightly interwoven, and service is encouraged/expected. My kids are involved in lots of volunteer opportunities w/o even searching them out.
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:08:31 GMT -5
My parents are devout Baptists - and my late brother was a homosexual atheist. My parents were and are sad that he remained an atheist until his death, because it is their belief that he is in hell and they will not have eternal life with him in Heaven. His choices did not prevent them from loving him and being by his side on the day he passed.
That is very sad. I can imagine it caused your whole family quite a bit of anguish. But kudos to your parents for not letting it stand in the way of having a relationship with your brother. And I'm sorry for your loss.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 11, 2012 15:08:55 GMT -5
I don't know how I'd react. I'm Catholic, it's part of who I am and even when I wasn't attending church, I was still Catholic. It's like having green eyes for me. I can't really explain it. [image] DH is Lutheran and agreed to have the kids Baptized Catholic. I'm not sure why he caved, to be honest. I know my Mom had a brief conversation with him and after that he decided on Catholic.
I don't know if this helps you any FB. Just honestly curious to hear your take Based on my family experiences, I expect the kids to fall away from Church from about 18-30; come back to be married and raise kids.
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2012 15:09:05 GMT -5
We didn't push it down their throats but I feel all kids need to experience the teachings and fellowship churches offer.Why? So they don't grow up to be idiots about the topic and at least understand the fundamentals of religion, God, Jesus, and what the Bible is about. So they get to experience the sense of community that churches most often teach. To know what choices there are out there regarding different kinds of religions and beliefs. To understand why there are wars over religious beliefs, and to be able to hold conversations with other people instead of looking like this when the subject comes up: I can understand this, not necessarily the community part so much because I think you can get that other ways, but the part about having knowledge regarding different beliefs is important. I am agnostic but at least I know why I feel the way I do. I have a friend who knows absolutely nothing about religion and has nothing to say about the subject on any level. I think that is pretty sad. People should at least have a working knowledge of different religions and at least be able to make peace with themselves and what they believe. I don't think ignorance is a good thing no matter what the subject is...
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:09:08 GMT -5
she said the only place you can discuss religion on here is the religion thread in the Healthy Living section... and there are special rules to follow. This thread will be locked soon (probably) so no worries. She said it might well get moved. I'm hoping it doesn't. This isn't a thread about religion, it's a thread about raising children. Yeah, there you go! (In all seriousness, I was hoping for a nice civil discussion about the merits of raising children religiously. I got curious after a side discussion in the cross-culture thread. That's what I wanted this to be - so if it needs to be moved because we don't do religion here, then it needs to be moved.)
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 11, 2012 15:13:40 GMT -5
snip I don't think ignorance is a good thing no matter what the subject is... No, it's not. We say "I don't know" alot to DD. We need to change that to "Let's go look it up."
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:18:40 GMT -5
At least you're not making stuff up when you don't know the answer. THAT, I find irritating. "I don't know" is an honest answer.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 11, 2012 15:21:05 GMT -5
At least you're not making stuff up when you don't know the answer. DH is really good at this. He can sound like an authority on just about anything and has such a good poker face you are never sure if he is lying. I told him he is not allowed to answer any questions from Gwen.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 15:23:36 GMT -5
I love knowing that as a Catholic I can walk into any church in the world on a Sunday and they will be sermons and reading on the same parts of the Bible. The prayers will be the same. Religiously speaking I will always have a home where I am loved, no matter what I've done. I want DS to have that same sense of interconnectedness. In a weird way I like that I have to negotiate between my beliefs and the teachings of the Church, between the communal and the individual. I think that tension is good. You have to think, debate, analyze, compromise. Pray, trust. IMHO modern society has a large focus on the individual rather than the communal. Even when you engage in charitable works as an agnostic/atheist you are able to choose what you will support, everything aligns with your beliefs. Churching is different.
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Post by busymom on May 11, 2012 15:32:07 GMT -5
I was raised in the Christian church, and was fortunate to be part of a huge extended family that went to many types of churches. Everything from very conservative, to very contemporary styles of worship. (When I was growing up, only the hippies went to the "alternative" churches, but I had cousins who attended some of them.) There were so many family gatherings that I got to experience many different styles of worship. Everything from the traditional organ music to the electric guitar. Not a big deal these days, but back then the difference was considered a "big thing". While I am taking the kids to my church every Sunday, I recognize that as adults they will make their own choices regarding what type of church they'll be going to. And yes, we do occasionally visit different churches just so they can see some of the differences....
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Post by moon/Laura on May 11, 2012 15:33:34 GMT -5
I just want to point out that religion has been the ONE topic that we don't allow anywhere but the religious discussions area.
This may well be moved there, and there are some very specific rules for that board. Please read them. I didn't know about that rule, sorry. If you need to move it, no problem. But if we can talk about it respectfully, I hope you'll consider letting it stay here. I'm sure you can. however, any other religious thread on any other board has been moved, and it wouldn't be right for me not to apply the same rules here.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 11, 2012 15:35:01 GMT -5
FB, I'll try to look for this thread over the weekend. But if I don't, have a good one! And Happy Mother's Day! Beth
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Post by Firebird on May 11, 2012 15:35:42 GMT -5
I'm sure you can. however, any other religious thread on any other board has been moved, and it wouldn't be right for me not to apply the same rules here.
Agreed.
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