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Post by rockon on Jan 24, 2011 10:51:01 GMT -5
According to this poll the posters here strongly support this courts decision. The courts obviously would defend their position by stating they only interpret the law as written. For me it's one of those ironies of trying to understand how anyone who has had, raised or held a child can support the right of anyone to reach in and kill the baby by lethal injection prior to removing the baby from the mothers body while claiming to be concerned about others like the working poor or people who don't have good access to health care. I've just never been able to have a conversation with someone who can explain the difference to me in a way that makes sense. So while I understand that there are differences of opinion and I will respect yours and the courts decision, please don't bash me or be offended that I see a very different side to this issue and only pray that as a country we understand what we are doing and hope that we will not be judged accordingly for our actions.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 24, 2011 10:51:15 GMT -5
But, if you want to abort your own children, I guess you can. There is no way I would ever want or have wanted to abort my own children. Very sad. this is all well and good, but it is your choice. there are many people in this country that could never, and would never choose to terminate, but they fully understand it is not their place to force their own choice upon someone else.
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Post by ugonow on Jan 24, 2011 10:55:12 GMT -5
If they make abortions ilegal,will we have to set up a federal investigative agency to check out all miscarraiges for possible foul play? Perhaps we can charge women for working to late,not eating right,or the old intended miscarraige trick?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 24, 2011 11:03:13 GMT -5
How does the pill factor into the abortion debate?
Interesting question, Archie. I think that most of us regard the pill simply as prevention. However, there ARE folks (like former Attorney General Ashcroft) who consider the pill as an "abortificant" and consider it the same as the procedure.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 24, 2011 11:12:26 GMT -5
I always thought the ones with no horse in this race were the ones yelling the loudest. LOL-like men?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 24, 2011 11:18:06 GMT -5
a sperm and a egg...no arms and legs...a cell.
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Post by ugonow on Jan 24, 2011 11:21:05 GMT -5
and those past their worrying about a pregnancy years. I know many that had abortions when they were younger,but now are telling others that it is murder and a sin if they do.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 24, 2011 11:22:07 GMT -5
and those past their worrying about a pregnancy years. I know many that had abortions when they were younger,but now are telling others that it is murder and a sin if they do. hypocrites suck. seriously.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 24, 2011 11:29:28 GMT -5
and those past their worrying about a pregnancy years. I know many that had abortions when they were younger,but now are telling others that it is murder and a sin if they do. Not to mention the ones who indicated that they considered having one, chose not to, and now think it is wrong to allow others to make their own decision.
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Post by ugonow on Jan 24, 2011 11:35:01 GMT -5
The whole argument is about choice.She exercised her right to make a choice.
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Post by marjar on Jan 24, 2011 11:43:34 GMT -5
Women, who regret their decisions, are the most vocal. You rarely hear from a woman who doesn't regret it. Given the numbers....
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Post by Angel! on Jan 24, 2011 12:07:09 GMT -5
There is no way I would ever want or have wanted to abort my own children. Very sad. It is really easy to judge when you have never had to walk in another person's shoes.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 24, 2011 12:22:29 GMT -5
Women, who regret their decisions, are the most vocal. You rarely hear from a woman who doesn't regret it.
I know three, personally who made that decision. (One was before Roe v Wade). None of them has ever expressed regret.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 12:31:17 GMT -5
Immaculate conception?
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Post by ugonow on Jan 24, 2011 12:35:48 GMT -5
Women who do not regret it do not go around advertising the fact.It is a personal decision between her her family and doctor. And as you say,given the numbers....
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 12:42:12 GMT -5
There is no way I would ever want or have wanted to abort my own children. Very sad. It is really easy to judge when you have never had to walk in another person's shoes. That goes both ways Angel because none of us have been vacuumed out of our mother's womb before we even got our first pair of shoes never mind learn to walk in them.
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Post by Angel! on Jan 24, 2011 12:56:18 GMT -5
It is really easy to judge when you have never had to walk in another person's shoes. That goes both ways Angel because none of us have been vacuumed out of our mother's womb before we even got our first pair of shoes never mind learn to walk in them. Good point, but until science advances to the point where we can ask a fetus if it wants to be born, then we won't know the answer to that one. Whereas, I do know that most women who choose abortion do put quite a bit of thought into their decision. So, who am I to judge since I have not lived their life & do not have to live with their choices?
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 13:11:15 GMT -5
Good point, but until science advances to the point where we can ask a fetus if it wants to be born, then we won't know the answer to that one. Science...we don't need no stinkin' science. We need a "fetus whisperer". I'm one of the few conservatives that support this particular law. IMHO, to say that abortion is ok in some circumstances and not others is hypocritical. So, even though I hate the idea of abortion being used as a form of birth control, if a woman / child is impregnated through an illegal act such as rape or incest, or if the mother's life is in danger, I don't believe they should be forced to carry that baby to full term.
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Post by Angel! on Jan 24, 2011 13:47:49 GMT -5
I'm one of the few conservatives that support this particular law. IMHO, to say that abortion is ok in some circumstances and not others is hypocritical. So, even though I hate the idea of abortion being used as a form of birth control, if a woman / child is impregnated through an illegal act such as rape or incest, or if the mother's life is in danger, I don't believe they should be forced to carry that baby to full term. I can't speak for all liberals, but I certainly don't really like the idea of abortion just being another form of birth control either. But, I certainly don't want to take away the right from women who might be in extreme circumstances. And I don't see a way to start limiting the option to women whose situation I might deem worthy of an abortion. I don't want women to have to start proving their case to some board to get approved for the procedure. It kind of seems like it has to be an all or nothing deal & since I don't want to take away the right from those who truly need it, then I have to give the right to everyone & hope they will make the choice that is best for them.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 14:06:39 GMT -5
50 Million dead human beings. Cannot be right no matter how you choose to spin it. Look at the bright side.....less CO 2 emissions for the tree huggers to whine about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2011 14:07:46 GMT -5
50 Million dead human beings. Cannot be right no matter how you choose to spin it. Look at the bright side.....less CO 2 emissions for the tree huggers to whine about. And extra sloppy joes for the rest of us!
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 14:12:04 GMT -5
And extra sloppy joes for the rest of us! Eeeeewwww. I wouldn't even eat one at Sloppy Joe's in Key West. You can have mine too Arch.....
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Post by rockon on Jan 24, 2011 14:17:38 GMT -5
It almost turns my stomach to see so many light hearted jokes about something this serious and degrading to human life. I'm not here to judge anyone else or their opinion but it's a very serious question with many moral and social implications. I personally don't view intentionally killing a defenseless unborn baby as anything different then killing a defenseless old person. not sure how anyone could draw a distinction between the two. Everyone should take the time to read and think about the quote under Tennesseer's posts.
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Post by chiver78 on Jan 24, 2011 14:24:11 GMT -5
It almost turns my stomach to see so many light hearted jokes about something this serious and degrading to human life. I'm not here to judge anyone else or their opinion but it's a very serious question with many moral and social implications. I personally don't view intentionally killing a defenseless unborn baby as anything different then killing a defenseless old person. not sure how anyone could draw a distinction between the two. Everyone should take the time to read and think about the quote under Tennesseer's posts. me too. the jokes, I mean. as far as the rest of what you say I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. I wholeheartedly feel that the crux of the issue is whether or not the fetus is a person, and whether or not it has rights. until we can all agree on that, which I don't think we ever will, there will always be a disagreement. it's just distasteful to me to be cracking jokes about it. nothing about abortion is light-hearted or easy.
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Post by rockon on Jan 24, 2011 14:29:36 GMT -5
Thanks Chiver. I'm sure there will always be plenty of things to disagree on and there is nothing wrong with that or good honest debate. It keeps life interesting and usually keeps us from getting to far from the center.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 24, 2011 14:37:30 GMT -5
For me the crux of the matter is that while we talk about abortion or no abortion, reality is that it is a choice between legal or illegal abortions. While I would prefer that no abortion is ever performed, I realize that is not an option. Therefore, I feel it is better to allow for legal, above board safer abortions than to force women into illegal, back alley less safe abortions.
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 24, 2011 14:40:49 GMT -5
That actually really get to the heart of the matter, because what the radical left ultimately wants is human depopulation, be it through abortion, enforced population control (like in China), forced sterilization or flat out population reduction through genocide (as in their eugenics-based campaigns) to kill off minorities, the disabled or less-desirous religions. All you have to do is read many of the liberal posts on this board calling for support of Palestine (and their national charter, which calls for the genocide of all Jews), the advocacy for abortion on demand as a way to rid the population of so-called "unwanted" (i.e. undesireable) children, and other manifestations of the liberal death-cult...
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 24, 2011 14:42:19 GMT -5
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Ed - what you say could be construed as insane.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 14:46:16 GMT -5
It almost turns my stomach to see so many light hearted jokes about something this serious and degrading to human life. Isn't it great to live in a country that allows you to be offended! (Setting aside the whole "when does life begin" argument) Nor do I but where does one draw the line? If a young girl was molested by her Dad and impregnated should she be forced to carry the baby to term? If your Wife or Daughter were brutally raped and impregnated, should either of them be forced to carry the baby to term? If you were involved in a bad car wreck and your wife could die if her pregnancy isn't terminated, should she be forced to continue carrying the baby? As I said, this is why I support the right to abortion. Now, the typical conservative would say that it is ok to abort the baby in these cases but not others. I'm not the typical conservative because I say bull shit. The babies in the above circumstances are no more or less alive than babies in other circumstances and it's hypocritical and even a bit elitist for someone to think that they have the right to pick and choose which must be allowed to live and which are ok to terminate.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 24, 2011 14:49:39 GMT -5
The babies in the above circumstances are no more or less alive than babies in other circumstances and it's hypocritical and even a bit elitist for someone to think that they have the right to pick and choose which must be allowed to live and which are ok to terminate.
Karma for that!
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