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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 22, 2011 16:34:51 GMT -5
*shrug* I've never watched Olbermann. I have occasionally enjoyed his.. whatever.. spiels.. that he does, if someone else posted them and they're on an interesting topic.
The rest of the time I listen to NPR, so I can actually get impartial viewpoints from both sides of an issue (and when I say both sides I mean pro/con, not lib/dem).
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 22, 2011 16:36:58 GMT -5
LOL!!! When was the last time you heard a conservative viewpoint on NPR??? Nina Totenberg recently apologized to her NPR audience for using the term "Christmas party". Is that what you consider impartial?
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 22, 2011 16:50:11 GMT -5
Umm.. actually I hear conservative viewpoints every day. You, apparently, don't listen to NPR? Most, though not all, of the hosts are just there to moderate discussion between pro/con viewpoints on issues.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 22, 2011 16:50:43 GMT -5
And maybe she apologized because she REALIZED THAT NOT EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES ISN'T CHRISTIAN!
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 22, 2011 17:07:26 GMT -5
MSNBC is cleaning house of the raging, venomous screaming lunatics. They are trying to restore some credibility. The Cartoon Network has higher ratings the MSNBC.
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 22, 2011 17:16:23 GMT -5
A lot higher, actually. The average IQ of the viewers is probably a lot higher as well...
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 22, 2011 17:22:02 GMT -5
A lot higher, actually. The average IQ of the viewers is probably a lot higher as well... Well, that's because Cartoon Network is AWESOME! MSNBC sucks.. so does CNN.. and Fox.. and pretty much every other cable news station. Except PBS. They're halfway decent when they're on.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jan 22, 2011 17:36:54 GMT -5
My guess is that Keith is gone for one reason: COMCAST.
Good, this makes me want to switch my service over to them.
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 22, 2011 20:28:45 GMT -5
Well he is one arrogant guy I will not miss. He wore out his welcome at ESPN and now MSNBC. Looks like he is a pariah in the news world now.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 23, 2011 11:45:46 GMT -5
CNN just had a segment on Keith. They claim, after he was suspended, Keith and his handlers felt he had such a strong audience of 250,000 followers, Keith could go elsewhere, if MSNBC felt he was not worth more than his 12 million dollar contract. Rumor has it, he may have his own paid spot on Bundle.com in the near future
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 23, 2011 12:57:34 GMT -5
There was a good round table on CNN on the guy and why he left today..
Different reasons, in fact one of the panelist was a super defender of, has been on the net work but he was getting to over board on the defense, like a spouse defending, just to much already.
I realized after they showed a few clips of some of his shows in making what ever points they were trying to make, most escaped me, and I as a few of you know , consider myself politically middle to the left, that except a few clips I might have seen, I kind of recognized him, wouldn't have been able to put a name to the face in a line up, I NEVER watched ONE of his shows in the eight years he was on, knew little of him beyond the blurbs here from some about him, hadn't a clue as to his politics, and realized that I didn't miss anything as I don't miss any of the talking heads on either side.
I do like watching those who were involved in things, done them, example this morning Zakaria had Kissinger on talking about China and Brezinsky also expressing his opinions about the Peoples Republic. Agree with them, disagree with them..those are the people who were actually involved, doing, making decisions, negotiating with ...those are the ones who I like to watch. Naturally the ones interviewing and asking the questions, but the answers to those questions, that is what i like to hear.
Anyone feel the same as I? Besides Zakaria, I like Charlie Rose too, his interviews with ones who did or are doing...that's who I want to listen too.
I couldn't believe I never ever watched Olberman, hadn't given it any thought till the show today and the round table.
Reason given for his leaving? A few. Some felt there has been the friction between the net work , MS NBC, for 2 1/2 years now. Paper today, something about $, he wanted more and then that with Com-Cast buying the network {Are they or just the station} NBC changing who he, Oberman would be under, he decided that his freedom would be curtailed also that he started to believe he was a prophet for the 250 thousand who signed petition to have him reinstated after his suspension for contributing to the Democratic party.
What ever the reason, to much drama for this , me, guy.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 23, 2011 13:04:33 GMT -5
Well he is one arrogant guy I will not miss. He wore out his welcome at ESPN and now MSNBC. Looks like he is a pariah in the news world now. As I explained just now, it seems he has a big following, the real spokesman for the left , or a lot of them , and while not the popularity of some of the ones on FOX, liberals are a different cat, not saying better , just different, feel he is their spokesman so there is a big following and for now, till back on the air/cable, he will be missed and they may feel lost till a replacement or he are filling the void left by his leaving. I believe more from the right will make sure they pick up some programs from Fox during the day. I know many from the left will got to MSNBC too, however, I am also suggesting, being who we are, there are more middle left and left folks who do none of the above , get nothing from those shows and beyond a occasional check in, can go long periods or forever , me, with out turning to the talking heads. I admit to a occasional CNN and there may be some round tables but am not a regaler tuner inner, hit or miss. Not knocking those who do, regaler watchers of , just suggesting what I believe some differences between the two groups.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 23, 2011 13:06:37 GMT -5
My guess is that Keith is gone for one reason: COMCAST.
That was my first thought as well.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 23, 2011 13:12:01 GMT -5
Did they purchase NBC or just MS NBC or what did they purchase?
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Jan 23, 2011 13:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 23, 2011 14:19:39 GMT -5
Thanks Gardening...So the largest/almost largest, which ever, cable company is going to have a controlling interest in one of the three national broadcasting networks in the country and also be carrying the other two national media competitors as well as the competing cable media net works , all competitors of their own owned broadcasting network. mmmmmmm Like Walmart owning a shopping mall that has not only their own store in it but say, Sears, Target, K mart as well as all their other competitors and they are the land lord. mmmmmmm Gov't doesn't see anything wrong here, potentially , setting rates unfair competitive advanatage? Since cable companies in a area are almost competition free, satellite and over the air {which is minor today in use} notwithstanding, there was no opposition by the other networks on this? mmmmm Just wondering. I better start watching more TV , kind of missed that or heard it but missed the possible questions raised.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 23, 2011 17:25:53 GMT -5
I listen to few of these "talking heads", frankly. Most are too vociferous for my taste, and most are too one-sided. I'd rather get my news/views from various sources, put them together myself, and come to my own conclusions. Just my preference.
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 23, 2011 19:03:08 GMT -5
Dezi - I've been concerned about this merger since it was announced, but they put a lot of rules regarding neutrality to control it.. I don't know. It still worries me :\
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 23, 2011 22:17:25 GMT -5
Way back in the day..my dad owned a retail store . think Drug store with out the RX..patent medicine, stationary , tobacco products, games , sundries etc.. long time before big box, and just at the beginning of what were called discount stores. One of his toy wholesalers saw the handwriting on the wall and leased space in a chain ,{ they as the whole saler would naturally buy better price then the retailer..then resell..smaller quantities} and open as a retailer , selling a game dad would have to sell for $1.00 they would sell for .79.
All fine and good but they also thought they would be able to continue as whole salers too, separate department. Of course they couldn't be both. Dad and other retailers who were their customers were not going to buy and support some one who was undercutting their business..a competitor..there were other wholesalers, thats who got that retail business. One does not do business with a competitor beyond a help out in a business temporary emergency possibely if there is a relationship there, and even then, limited, temporary only. In this case, basically the same thing but there is no other wholesaler, or in this case another media distributor that the other networks can go to to carry their product.
That they are allowing it , federal what ever , which ever department, justice, communication, and the networks are not yelling bloody murder..really surprises me.
I kind of like the back in the day times. It seems , while thing might have moved slower, there was more order and sense back then. Possible just a illusion but it seemed that way.
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Post by formerexpat on Jan 23, 2011 23:04:28 GMT -5
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But he is one of those Wall Street types that you rail against on these boards. How can you live with yourself??
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Post by lakhota on Jan 24, 2011 1:28:26 GMT -5
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Post by workpublic on Jan 24, 2011 8:01:31 GMT -5
Let's hope for his sake that the MSM hasn't adopted the "no unemployed need apply" policy. ;D
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 24, 2011 9:45:58 GMT -5
As I said, Never watched him or his net work, guess being a middle to the left O should. Were you a reguler Lakhota?
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 24, 2011 10:27:06 GMT -5
Am I the only one that sees the irony in this reply in a thread started Lak?
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Post by lakhota on Jan 24, 2011 17:29:17 GMT -5
What the Hell Happened to Keith Olbermann?MSNBC's parent company, General Electric, never seemed comfortable with some of Olbermann's material. Though Olbermann hosted MSNBC’s top-rated news show, “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” he disappeared from the network with only the briefest of good-byes. Certainly, the callous treatment of Olbermann by the MSNBC brass would never be replicated by Rupert Murdoch’s right-wing Fox News toward its media stars. At Fox News, the likes of Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have far greater leeway to pitch right-wing ideas and even to organize pro-Republican political events. Last November, Olbermann was suspended for two days for making donations to three Democratic candidates, including Arizona’s Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who was wounded in the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson. Now, with Olbermann’s permanent departure on Friday, the remainder of MSNBC’s liberal evening line-up, which also includes Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Lawrence O’Donnell (who will fill Olbermann’s 8 p.m. slot), must face the reality that any sustained friction with management could mean the bum’s rush for them, too. The liberal hosts also must remember that MSNBC experimented with liberal-oriented programming only after all other programming strategies, including trying to out-Fox Fox, had failed – and only after it became clear that President George W. Bush’s popularity was slipping. In nearly eight years at “Countdown,” Olbermann was the brave soul who charted the course for other mainstream media types to be even mildly critical of Bush. Olbermann modeled his style after legendary newsman Edward R. Murrow, who stood up to excesses by communist-hunting Sen. Joe McCarthy in the 1950s, even borrowing Murrow’s close: “Good night, good luck.” But MSNBC’s parent company, General Electric, never seemed comfortable with Olbermann’s role as critic of the Bush administration, nor with the sniping between Olbermann and his Fox News rival, O’Reilly, who retaliated by attacking corporate GE on his widely watched show. In 2009, the New York Times reported that GE responded to this pressure by having GE chairman Jeffrey Immelt strike a deal with Murdoch that sought to muzzle Olbermann’s criticism of O’Reilly, in exchange for O’Reilly muting his attacks on GE. Olbermann later disputed that there ever was a truce and the back-and-forth soon resumed. But it was a reminder that GE, a charter member of the military-industrial complex and a major international conglomerate, had bigger corporate interests at play than the ratings for MSNBC’s evening programming.More: www.alternet.org/media/149639/what_the_hell_happened_to_keith_olbermann/
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 24, 2011 17:41:51 GMT -5
Let's be really honest and just admit that it was time for Olbermann to go because he's a giant douche...
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Post by b2r on Jan 24, 2011 17:54:49 GMT -5
Maybe he can become Obama's Press Secretary.
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Post by lakhota on Jan 24, 2011 17:56:50 GMT -5
I heard Keith got a $50 million severance package. Nice.
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 24, 2011 18:06:04 GMT -5
Yes, I'm sure the gay escort community in Keith's town is very excited...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jan 24, 2011 18:16:30 GMT -5
MSNBC's Keith Olbermann rants against Scott Brown Posted Jan 20, 2010 by ¢® Michael Krebs MSNBC's Keith Olbermann demonstrated his disgruntled nature in a vitriolic rant against Massachusetts' new senator, Scott Brown. Mark Sardella A sign promoting Scott Brown During the heat of the historic election of Massachusetts Republican Senator Scott Brown, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann could not contain his position against Mr. Brown - ranting on air against the then-pending win from the Brown camp. Senator Brown won decisively against a Democratic challenger - in what is broadly seen as one of the most Democratic states - setting the stage for a national disruption to the Democratic legislative agenda and the Obama White House and possibly reflecting a precursor to what may occur this coming November. Olbermann characterized Mr. Brown as a "racist" and a "homophobic" woman-hater, his vitriolic opinions reflecting Olbermann's lack of comfort with the election results coming out of Massachusetts. gIn Scott Brown we have an irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, ex-nude model, tea bagging supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees,h Olbermann concluded. The commentary received a reactive response from MSNBC's conservative talking head, Joe Scarborough. gJust as when Beck called the President racist, this sort of rhetorical extremism must be discouraged. It cheapens the debate,h Scarborough posted on Twitter. Read more: www.digitaljournal.com/print/article/286056#ixzz1BzutwDkN www.digitaljournal.com/article/302352 MSNBC's Olbermann blames Republicans for Tucson shooting Posted Jan 9, 2011 by ¡á Michael Krebs In nine-minute commentary on MSNBC Saturday, Keith Olbermann sought to attribute "death fantasies and dreams of blood lust" to the Tea Party movement and to the Republican Party in general. Rep. Giffords Facebook page photo U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords. The shooting of Democratic Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was addressed in a 9 minute segment of commentary by MSNBC's Keith Olbermann on Saturday, taking a fresh opportunity to affix a national tragedy to those who espouse beliefs not shared by Mr. Olbermann: the Tea Party movement and the Republican Party in general. Citing a report in The Guardian, Congresswoman Giffords remains in critical condition following the horrific shooting outside a grocery store in Tucson Arizona. Six other people died in the attack, including a 9-year-old girl. 18 people in total were shot - and the doctors operating on Giffords believe she is going to survive. "I can tell you at this time I am very optimistic about her recovery," Dr. Peter Rhee said, according to The Guardian. "We cannot tell what kind of recovery, but I'm as optimistic as it can get in this kind of situation." But Keith Olbermann sought to tether this tragedy to a political agenda, attaching the madness of this shooting to Sarah Palin, Sharon Angle, Glenn Beck, and a host of other right-leaning figures. "If Sarah Palin, whose website put and today scrubbed bulls-eye targets on 20 representatives, including Gabby Giffords does not repudiate her own part - however tangential in amplifying violence and violent imagery in American politics - she must be dismissed from politics," Olbermann said. "She must be repudiated by the members of her own party. And if they fail to do so, each one of them must be judged to have silently defended this tactic that today proved so awfully foretelling." By widening the scope of those individuals in Sarah Palin's community of colleagues, Mr. Olbermann is extending blame to the entirety of the Republican Party. "If Sharon Angle, who spoke of Second Amendment remedies does not repudiate that remark and urge her supporters to think anew and again of the terrible reality of what her words implied, she must be repudiated by her supporters in Nevada," Olbermann said. And then Mr. Olbermann turned his attention to Fox News hosts Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly. "If Glenn Beck who obsesses nearly as strangely as this Mr. Loughner did about gold and debt - and who wistfully joked about killing Michael Moore - and Bill O'Reilly who blithely repeated 'Tiller the Killer' until the phrase was burned into the minds of his viewers; if they do not begin their next broadcasts with solemn apologies for ever turning to the death fantasies and the dreams of blood lust, for ever having provided just the oxygen for those deep in madness for whom violence is an acceptable solution then those commentators and the others must be repudiated by their viewers and listeners, by all politicians who would appear on their programs - including President Obama and his planned interview with Fox on Superbowl Sunday, and repudiated by the sponsors and by the networks that employ them." Olbermann went on to cast a net over commentators from all political backgrounds. "And if those of us considered to be on the Left, do not rededicate ourselves to our vigilance to eliminate all our own suggestions of violence, however inadvertent they might have been, or mild, then we too deserve the repudiation of the more sober and peaceful of our politicians, viewers and networks." Read more: www.digitaljournal.com/print/article/302352
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