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Post by lakhota on Jan 22, 2011 3:50:29 GMT -5
Hey Lakhota. This is a serious question. Do you guys dress up in feathers and bells, and do that ghost dance? Now, do you do that to scare yourselves or somebody else? I don't know. That's why I'm asking. Why do you make fun of us?
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Post by stayput on Jan 22, 2011 3:53:19 GMT -5
What part of "This is a serious question" are you having a problem with?
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Post by lakhota on Jan 22, 2011 3:55:14 GMT -5
I'm so sad that your parents did such a poor job raising you. I will pray for you.
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Post by stayput on Jan 22, 2011 4:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by jkapp on Jan 22, 2011 10:38:18 GMT -5
How can anyone really know what churches are doing with their money if they aren't at least subject to state/federal audits? I say audit them and tax them! From a person who obviously has never been a member of a church... Every church I have ever attended lists at least the general income and expenses within the weekly bulletin (mine even compares to the previous year). If you as a member would like to see their books you have every right to do so. Believe me, though, it's not that exciting
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Post by jkapp on Jan 22, 2011 10:41:36 GMT -5
Fine, just don't use your tax-free religion to politically dictate or influence how I and others live! What you do inside your little tax-free churches is your business; outside the churches it becomes my business. Until you start taxing them...then that gives the churches free reign to involve themselves as a special interest directly into politics - that means PACs and who knows what else. Otherwise if you tax them but then still keep them out of the public arena it is taxation without representation. So would you like to open the floodgates?
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Post by jkapp on Jan 22, 2011 10:43:37 GMT -5
... Seriously? Some days I forget that some people on these boards are assholes. Then I'm reminded. And you fit in well
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Post by ugonow on Jan 22, 2011 12:29:20 GMT -5
JMO,but the Vatican in Rome has one of the most powerful PAC's there are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 12:57:51 GMT -5
Geez, Stay Put. I like you, outlaw poster that you are-- I like that, but-- I LOVE the Indians in AZ. A friendlier group I have never met. MUCH nicer than the La Raza types, even though they have good reason to resent the "white man." I begrudge them nothing, just wish they could get things where there was not so much drug use, alcoholism, little girls having babies, etc. I do think the money they get from gov't enables this, truth be told, just like it does all poor people that get it. I would love to see the Indians more integrated in to American life, having to work to survive, that sort of thing. The deal is, IMO only, and here in Tucson only, I guess I should say-- I love our Indians, and hate to see you talk that way.
As for you, Lak----- what you were saying about the Indians and their money----- that-- no kidding here-- sounds a whole lot like how the Mormon church works, only the Mormons do it a whole lot better, because they are not plagued with drugs, alcohol, and unmarried teen pregnancies.
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Post by sanityjones on Jan 22, 2011 14:09:35 GMT -5
As far back as the founding of the country, the principle was stated in Marbury vs. Madison: "The power to tax is the power to destroy." This established non-taxable status for local bond issues and probably goes double for churches. I thought Marbury vs. Madison had more to do with the Supreme Court setting itself up as the final arbitor of law. In other words it ruled that the judiciary had the right and responsibility to decide what was and what was not constitutional. A nail in the coffin if there ever was one as far as rule of law is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 14:42:49 GMT -5
UUHHHH-- I could claim Indian benefits through the % of my Indian (Cherokee) heritage, but I do not. I am talking about reservation Indians. Just saying.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jan 22, 2011 16:25:49 GMT -5
How can anyone really know what churches are doing with their money if they aren't at least subject to state/federal audits?
Whatever gave you the idea that a church or any other non-profit organization is exempt from audits? I own a non-profit company, and I can be audited at any time by either the State or the Feds to prove that I am in compliance regulations.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jan 22, 2011 16:30:57 GMT -5
JMO,but the Vatican in Rome has one of the most powerful PAC's there are.
Then why has there been only one Catholic POTUS (JFK) in the history of the country?
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 22, 2011 17:04:00 GMT -5
Fine, just don't use your tax-free gay-rights advocacy group to politically dictate or influence how I and others live! What you do inside your little tax-free gay-rights advocacy groups is your business; outside the gay-rights advocacy groups it becomes my business.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 22, 2011 17:05:49 GMT -5
Then why has there been only one Catholic POTUS (JFK) in the history of the country?
How many Jewish presidents has the US had?
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Post by Loopdilou on Jan 22, 2011 17:07:57 GMT -5
We're not trying to dictate how you live. There isn't a single gay rights advocacy group that gives a crap about your business. After all - they're not trying to make you gay or marry you.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 22, 2011 17:18:00 GMT -5
Whatever gave you the idea that a church or any other non-profit organization is exempt from audits?
Are you sure about that? I don't know if churches are set up as a non-profit corporation where they are subject to yearly filing very similar to a regular corporation, just without any tax liability.
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Post by jkapp on Jan 22, 2011 18:09:26 GMT -5
Whatever gave you the idea that a church or any other non-profit organization is exempt from audits?Are you sure about that? I don't know if churches are set up as a non-profit corporation where they are subject to yearly filing very similar to a regular corporation, just without any tax liability. www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=96099,00.html Exemption Requirements - Section 501(c)(3) Organizations www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=175418,00.html Exempt Purposes - Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3) They have to meet and sustain the above requirements. Also, before you start frothing at the mouth, one church priest/pastor breaking a rule here and there does not condemn the entire religion. If it did, then just about every single charity and non profit out there would also have to be condemned due to poor actions/decisions of its members.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 22, 2011 18:29:31 GMT -5
Alright. I don't think they have to file a federal tax return or portion of one here in Canada, I wasn't sure at first. Obviously they have to keep their books though and would be subject to audits whenever the government felt like giving them one. Sounds reasonable.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2011 18:35:09 GMT -5
Hey Lakhota. This is a serious question. Do you guys dress up in feathers and bells, and do that ghost dance? Now, do you do that to scare yourselves or somebody else? I don't know. That's why I'm asking. For someone of your age and supposed knowledge along with having a great-grandmother who was a Crow "squaw", you are pretty uninformed of your family's heritage. I suggest you read up on Native American rituals before you ask such a question again. Another question by you like the above quote will end up with a time out for you. Tennesseer/Moderator
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jan 22, 2011 19:07:07 GMT -5
Are you sure about that? I don't know if churches are set up as a non-profit corporation where they are subject to yearly filing very similar to a regular corporation, just without any tax liability.
Two words: Jim Bakker
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Post by lakhota on Jan 22, 2011 19:31:09 GMT -5
Oops, wrong thread.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 22, 2011 19:32:52 GMT -5
What does post #25 have to do with taxation of non-profits?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 22, 2011 19:33:19 GMT -5
Let's get with the program Lak!!! LOL
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 22, 2011 20:00:10 GMT -5
Two words: Jim Bakker
Well that would be a little different than a local church!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2011 22:24:01 GMT -5
Stay Put-I just noticed several other of your posts here and they have been deleted. Had I read them earlier they would have been deleted sooner and you would have received a vacation from the boards.
Post any of that disrespectful crap like that again and you will be on a permanent vacation.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 22, 2011 22:53:30 GMT -5
Stay Put-after additional consideration, I am suspending your posting privileges for 7 days.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jan 22, 2011 23:39:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure if any organization should be tax exempt, do they not use services provided by taxation of others? Of course I think the entire way we tax is screwed up almost beyond repair.
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Post by workpublic on Jan 24, 2011 16:49:44 GMT -5
I don't think politics should be preached from the pulpit. If they want to do that, then they can pay taxes. Religion should not be the driving force behind laws or politics IMO.
so rev. wright's church should be taxed too, right?
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Post by steff on Jan 24, 2011 16:55:02 GMT -5
so rev. wright's church should be taxed too, right?
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absolutely it should be taxed. You'll notice I didn't say only "republican" churches or only "catholic" churches. Again, if you want to preach politics, use church money to play in politics (Mormon Church re: Prop 8).... then you should be taxed.
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