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[billisonboard]

Value Buy wanted a chance to vote so here it is.

[handyman2]

Some have a hard time facing reality. If the state of Hawaii says so that is good enough for me.

[b2r]

[rockon]

I'm surprised they haven't suggested a new government agency that is responsible to verify the authenticity of all documentation before any person can be declared a legal candidate. I'm not an expert nor have I authenticated his or any others documents and I'm guessing no one here has so I would suggest this question is not answerable on this thread. It does make me wonder if any official process has been followed to authenticate the documents of candidates or if they will start now that this question about his papers has been raised.

[floridayankee]

Thanks Bills. I thought we already beat the crap out of this dead "birther" horse enough but apparently not.

[burnsattornincan]

There are too many legitimate questions regarding his past that have not been answered or have been answered insufficiently however I'm not going to bother voting in this stupid poll.

[fairlycrazy23]

Actually I was pretty sure he was qualified until the Governor of Hawaii said he would prove it, and then all of a sudden doesn't seem to be able to.

But the state of Hawaii certified him, then that is good enough for me, birthers are just wasting energy and diverting attention from the real issues.

It would be interesting to see what the existing rules/laws are for verifying federal candidates for positions are.

[vonnie6200]

Jan 26, 2011 14:23:51 GMT -5 burnsattornincan said:

There are too many legitimate questions regarding his past that have not been answered or have been answered insufficiently however I'm not going to bother voting in this stupid poll.

LOL - you should vote - just for the shear fun of it.

I think the media did this country an extreme disservice by not questioning his past during the election - almost a treasonous disservice

[fairlycrazy23]

I voted Yes, simply because I want him president.

Even in the unlikely event there is evidence he is not really a natural born citizen, it will do no good putting the nation through the process of trying to remove him. I'm not even sure how that would work, impeachment would start in the Senate, so would not be likely to occur, the states might be able to sue the Federal Government but I don't see that happening either.

[billisonboard]

Jan 26, 2011 14:37:57 GMT -5 fairlycrazy23 said:

... impeachment would start in the Senate....

Actually, impeachment would take place in the House. The trial would be held in the Senate.

[formerexpat]

Whether he's a citizen and the actual President or not, he's still able to inflict a lot of harm on the economy and future of America. He's been pretty successful thus far. I'd rather focus on how to counteract and reverse that than whether someone in HI can find a birth certificate from nearly 50 years ago.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...but the real question is if he will root for the Steelers over the Packers in the Super Bowl?

;D

[Deleted]

I voted insufficient evidence, which is true, due to past and current allegations about his birth in Hawaii, among other things.

[deziloooooo]

Jan 26, 2011 14:27:50 GMT -5 fairlycrazy23 said:

Actually I was pretty sure he was qualified until the Governor of Hawaii said he would prove it, and then all of a sudden doesn't seem to be able to.

But the state of Hawaii certified him, then that is good enough for me, birthers are just wasting energy and diverting attention from the real issues.

It would be interesting to see what the existing rules/laws are for verifying federal candidates for positions are.

There was a article in the paper today that the Governor of Hawaii{ a Democrat who would love to put it to bed} is under the same privacy restrictions, legal, that the past Governor was in releasing the information , that the other governor was under, not that he couldn't prove it or the information was not there.

[rockon]

Seems very strange that Obama would let this 2 year old story continue to fester in people's minds, the courts and stories instead of requesting a full public disclosure to all interested parties even if he had to fly out, get an original document and hang it on the wall in the Whitehouse. This doesn't mean he isn't telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth but it seems strange that it would be handled this way if there were not some questionable things going on. As everyone in law enforcement knows when people don't want to talk there is usually a reason.

[reasonfreedom]

Jan 27, 2011 9:11:25 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The document has long since been released. The lawsuit was thrown out as frivilous. The fact that this is still even being discussed is pathetic.

Do you have a link to it? Otherwise it hasn't been release and is just hear say. Need proof to backup your statement.

[Gardening Grandma]

Do you have a link to it? Otherwise it hasn't been release and is just hear say. Need proof to backup your statement.

It was posted on the campaign's website in 2008. I saw it - proof enough for me.
It didn't satisfy the nutwings then, so why would anyone think it would make any difference now? BTW, Wikipedia still has it.

[MN-Investor]

The basics of a good conspiracy theory is that there is never enough evidence to prove / disprove the facts. For 99.999% of the population, seeing a copy of the birth certificate would be sufficient to prove citizenship. For the .001% of the population who don't want to believe that, nothing will be sufficient.

A copy of the long form? Obviously a forgery. Or some bizarre theory about Obama's citizenship being renounced by his mother. Or maybe his U.S. citizen mother hadn't been in the U.S. for a sufficient amount of time. Or maybe any of a dozen other irrelevant, easily disproved theories which that .001% is more than willing to grab onto. So why even try? It will never be enough.

President Obama has released his Hawaiian birth certificate. The same form which the U.S. government accepts as proof of citizenship when issuing a passport. Nothing more is necessary.

[Tennesseer]

I keep on asking this question-who exactly is President Obama supposed to show his 'real' birth certificate to which would end all speculation?

[fairlycrazy23]

Jan 27, 2011 19:36:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I keep on asking this question-who exactly is President Obama supposed to show his 'real' birth certificate to which would end all speculation?

I think it is them or they, but I'm not quite sure which.

The problem with conspiracy theories is nothing can prove them wrong, because whatever evidence supplied is either faked or they are in on it. So even if THEY see his Long form birth certificate, THEY will just it was faked by THEM.

So I guess it is They that need to see it, but since they don't trust THEM it wouldn't matter

[billisonboard]

Jan 27, 2011 19:36:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I keep on asking this question-who exactly is President Obama supposed to show his 'real' birth certificate to which would end all speculation?

I answered this on another thread:

[glow=red,2,300]Door to Door
to show each Adult
in the entire nation[/glow]

He would also have to have photo ID to prove that he was in fact President Obama and also evidence that the photo ID is not a fake and also evidence that the evidence that the evidence that the photo ID is not fake and also evidence.......

[vonnie6200]

Jan 27, 2011 20:07:07 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 27, 2011 19:36:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I keep on asking this question-who exactly is President Obama supposed to show his 'real' birth certificate to which would end all speculation?

I answered this on another thread:

[glow=red,2,300]Door to Door
to show each Adult
in the entire nation[/glow]

He would also have to have photo ID to prove that he was in fact President Obama and also evidence that the photo ID is not a fake and also evidence that the evidence that the evidence that the photo ID is not fake and also evidence.......

I actually think the biggest issue is the total black out of all his past records - maybe nothing there, nut by hiding them it just raises a lot of questions, esp. among people who do not care for him

[ungenteel]

""Óbâma Natural Born Citizen?""

Cukoo ... Cukoo ... Cukoo

[rockon]

Agree with vonnie6200. They have been their own worst enemy. Why avoid the subject? Everything may be completely legit but why not just stand up and explain the process and who is responsible for authenticating the documents and move on instead of what appears to be trying to stop any investigation and avoiding all questions about the subject. Something is obviously not quite normal or they are afraid that something might be questionable.
Anyhow as I posted before it's unlikely that anyone on this board has authenticated the documents or has even talked to anyone who has. So making statements confirming his status or statements declaring him unqualified just are not credible. I don't think anyone here knows or can prove anything.

[rockon]

There was a very structured and understandable process for verifying ones identity when I got a license, a job, a passport, give blood, got a concealed carry permit, enrolled my children in school and the list could go on for a long time. Anyone can see what the process is for each of these and can see specifically what documents are required and who they must be shown to. For some odd reason I have not been able to find out exactly what the process is for the highest office in our land and some even suggest that each state may have their own qualification. If this is true then each state should be able to step up and confirm that they have authenticated this man's place and date of birth with no reservation or question about it and Obama should have told them two years ago to do this immediately, apologized for any delays and moved on. This would not even be a discussion if it had happened this way. So one can either say it was a strategic mistake on his part or assume he really doesn't want to go there for some reason. So yes I if I were running for the office of the United States President I would fully anticipate a very throughly review of all documentation and would expect questions may come up and that they should be investigated completely to satisfy any question before confirmation.

[rockon]

Got ya. Just get tired of people making all kinds of statements as though they know them as facts when obviously neither you or I know anything about this for sure. It could be the biggest conspiracy ever or it could complete hogwash. Only time will tell. Our country allows us the right to question things like this and we should support that right.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<< some even suggest that each state may have their own qualification. >>>

...they do... Attorney General of IL has confirmed that a candidate applies to run, the electorate has 5 days to object, and since no one in IL objected to his application within the requisite 5 business days, he was vetted...

ETA: or maybe it the was head of the Board of Electors... now I don't remember...

[rockon]

Your kidding me right??? Someone who runs for the highest office in the land is determined qualified if no one files an objection. This is insanity but not totally surprising. No wonder people are questioning his qualification. No one in Illinois even checked it??? Wonder if it the same in other states???

[billisonboard]

I say instead of allowing some bureaucratic government official decide whether Obama is eligible to be President of the United States, we let the people decide.

[rockon]

Maybe you missed the post from been there.. done that.. suggesting that no one checked it. That the process in Illinois may simply be that if no one objects within 5 days then one is considered qualified.