What's old is new!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Refurbished-Goods Industry Seeks U.S. Support for Freer Global Trade, More R&.

From Trash Heap to Store Shelf :
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704115404576095881429852432.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_news

An estimated $100 billion of remanufactured goods are sold each year in the U.S. and more than 500,000 people are employed in the industry, according to Nabil Nasr, who heads the Center for Remanufacturing at the Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, N.Y., which is hosting the meeting of more than 20 companies along with the Council on Competitiveness, a Washington, D.C., nonprofit group that aims to make U.S. businesses more competitive.

Recycling is going to be huge!

[kman]

I know RIT very well. Many people don't like to mention it but used parts do go into airplanes as well.

Big future ahead for an expanding business.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

It's a sustainable option too! Imagine if they can triple the size of the industry in 10 yrs. It would be another 1.5 million jobs in the US.

[kman]

It's no coincidence that the meeting was hosted In Roch NY . One of the least effected cities in the Country by the economic conditions facing our economy.

[decoy409]

Quote: It's no coincidence that the meeting was hosted In Roch NY . One of the least effected cities in the Country by the economic conditions facing our economy.
Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=moneytalk&action=display&thread=2194#ixzz1C0T0xIMR

You may want to re-word that Kman,as millions went to BILLIONS,

Quote: Jan.10,2011 Key Players in New York State's Budget Woes

ROCHESTER, N.Y. -- New York State's budget year begins every April 1. Over the last two decades, the irony of that day has not been lost on political observers such as me. Since 1984, the state budget has been adopted on time in only four years. In 12 of those 26 years, the state budget's adoption was delayed over a month.

In its November 2010 report, the Division of the Budget projected a deficit of $315 million for fiscal 2010-2011 and an anticipated deficit for the next budget of $9 billion. While the governor is the official who proposes a budget, the actual process is that three men and their aides decide the state's spending. With the projected deficits, it is useful to know who some of the major players in this process are.

Governor

Andrew Cuomo was just sworn in as governor. The Democrat was formerly New York's attorney general and played a key role in the Clinton era as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

Cuomo began his deficit-reduction program with a symbolic gesture. He cut his own salary by 5 percent. His senior staff have also agreed to a 5 percent reduction in salary from their predecessors.

In the governor's inaugural address, he outlined his plans. He has imposed a salary freeze for state employees in contracts being negotiated for April 1, proposed a cap on taxes and a limit on spending held to the rate of inflation.

He has created a team to seek to cut unfunded governmental mandates imposed upon local governments. His vision of "right-sizing" state government is found in a team charged with reducing government agencies and authorities by 20 percent. He has created a Medicaid redesign team to find ways to save money in the area of the state's largest single expense, Medicaid.

Some of these ideas can be done without the legislature's approval. Others, especially implementing any team suggestions, may require extensive arm twisting in the Senate and Assembly.

State Senate

The Republicans control the State Senate by one seat. As the Democrats discovered for a few weeks in June of 2009, a majority can vanish in an instant with the whims of one or two Senators willing to change parties for favors. No party with a slim majority in the NY senate can rest easy when it comes to any critical vote.

The current leader of the Senate, the Majority Leader, is Sen. Dean Skelos. Skelos has served fourteen terms in the State Senate, a not uncommon situation in either House since the vast majority of incumbents are routinely re-elected. He became leader of the Senate Republicans after the scandal that resulted in the conviction in Federal Court of former Majority Leader Joe Bruno.

Skelos received his law degree in 1975 and has served in either the Assembly or State Senate since 1982.

The priorities for the NYS Senate are: balancing the budget, closing the deficit, easing the burden on taxpayers and growing the state's economy.

State Assembly

Sheldon Silver has been Majority Leader of the NYS Assembly since 1994 and has served as an Assemblyman since 1976. For most of that time, Democrats have controlled the lower house of the state legislature and usually in overwhelming fashion.

In his State of the State remarks, Silver pointed to his priorities. They include closing the state's budget gap, cutting spending, capping real estate property taxes, affordable housing and regulating the natural gas industry's use of hydraulic fracturing.

All three of the men who will play the major roles in the New York State budget talks are career politicians. In the past, the spending decisions made by the three people holding these offices have been final. It remains to be seen if all three can work together for the benefit of the state and its citizens. Gov. Cuomo is beginning the first year of a four year term of office. Sen. Skelos holds a slim margin of control of the state senate. Majority Leader Silver is as entrenched as any New York politician can be.

These are the men who hold the financial future of the state of New York in their hands. April 1 is about 80 days in the future. Let's see what they are willing to do.
news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110110/tr_ac/7571932_key_players_in_new_york_states_budget_woes

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Wow decoy you really can't read can you. There was no mention of NY state. The point the guy was making was that Rochester kinda has there shit together.

[domeasingold]

Decoy! WTF does another rant by you have to do with recycling. You really are a G'damn scumbag!

[domeasingold]

Stay on your own effin threads!
Hey Virgil, how about locking up this asshole along with his boytoy mid for a couple of days?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

LOL. Seems like your personality is growing on people Decoy! What do you think Dome? Does this industry have potential??

[domeasingold]

AH. Yes, considering I have been in it a number of years. Specifically automotive drivetrains. I have been operating a plant since 1995 that re-furbishes manual transmissions and transfer cases for light and medium duty trucks. After a few lean years where many start ups failed there are a few companies that re-manufacture to OEM specifications and have stabilized. We went from 200 units a month to 350 per month. I'm sorry, I could go on and on explaining the details but bottom line is I think that many used items can be re-furbished and re-sold as long as the consumer is aware. Kinda like having you shoes re-soled?

[decoy409]

Say what planet are you guys from? Because on this one Roch, NY is what was stated,

It's no coincidence that the meeting was hosted In Roch NY . One of the least effected cities in the Country by the economic conditions facing our economy.
Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=moneytalk&action=display&thread=2194#ixzz1C0YNSOxR

If you are going to talk, at least have your crap together before making the statements you do, because I remember well my friends the days you would jump all over me at MSN MT for not having the FACTS correct.
So I am merley pointing out that ,

Quote: Quote: Jan.10,2011 Key Players in New York State's Budget Woes

ROCHESTER, N.Y. -- New York State's budget year begins every April 1. Over the last two decades, the irony of that day has not been lost on political observers such as me. Since 1984, the state budget has been adopted on time in only four years. In 12 of those 26 years, the state budget's adoption was delayed over a month.

In its November 2010 report, the Division of the Budget projected a deficit of $315 million for fiscal 2010-2011 and an anticipated deficit for the next budget of $9 billion. While the governor is the official who proposes a budget, the actual process is that three men and their aides decide the state's spending. With the projected deficits, it is useful to know who some of the major players in this process are.
news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110110/tr_a....tes_budget_woes

I believe TN. would be the least.

[domeasingold]

Oh sorry. Yes the ROCHESTER INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY is mentioned but what does that have to do with your agenda of D&G. Now if you have a viable comment on the future of re-cycling we would gladly agree to listen to your views.
Signed Mork & Mindy

[decoy409]

Hi Tinker Bell! Just pointing out that if you are going to say things then they should reflect in TRUTH and not be making crap up as you like to do. That's all!
Have a nice eve tinker.

[domeasingold]

Eat me Ferret Face!

[decoy409]

Say that's nice kido. Did you learn that in pre-school today?

[domeasingold]

No, They didn't teach me that until college. I perfected it while in the military.

[itstippy]

This is a very encouraging trend. Thanks for the article.

I'm a huge advocate of maintaining/refurbishing/restoring already manufactured items. Things would really kick in if the original items were designed with longevity and maintenance in mind. I could write a book on design improvements to common appliances that would make them easier to maintain and service. They'd cost a couple bucks more to manufacture, but they'd last decades. I love the American-made mechanical stuff from the 1940's-1970's. No heat-sealed plastic housings! No rivets! Imagine if we used modern (replaceable and/or upgradeable) electronic components in old-fashioned durable housings. Parts that can't last as long as the rest of the unit should be easy to access and replace.

The article mentions that auto parts have been re-manufactured for decades. You bet - reused, too. When a car or truck gets junked it should be parted out before crushing. All hard-to-manufacture, serviceable parts should be examined, categorized, and put back on the market. The "cash for clunkers" program broke my heart. All those perfectly good small block V8's and transmissions intentionally ruined by running death serum through them. Aargh! What kind of a way to make America strong is that - destroy the stuff we already have?!?

Dome, I hope you make a gazillion dollars and have millions of happy customers.

[kman]

Jasper is another company that sells engines and transmissions in NY . Say an auto manufacturer makes an engine or tranny that has an inherent flaw. They re engineer it , remove the flaw and guarantee it. Dome , you may be familiar with this company. Decoy has no manners.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

The stuff you can learn when you listen to people is amazing, you should try it some time decoy.

It's really cool to hear what you do Dome!

NP itstippy, this is brilliant, btw!

Imagine if we used modern (replaceable and/or upgradeable) electronic components in old-fashioned durable housings. Parts that can't last as long as the rest of the unit should be easy to access and replace.

I say go for it. Write the book! That's the way the world is going. There is apparently more than 2.35 billion square feet of self storage in the U.S. alone!! So much stuff!!

[kman]

I think Dome is a car guy. Can't wait to hear more.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I like where itstippy is going with this as well!

[kman]

We watch and learn...eh bra?

[bimetalaupt]

Jan 24, 2011 21:46:49 GMT -5 @itstippy said:

This is a very encouraging trend. Thanks for the article.

I'm a huge advocate of maintaining/refurbishing/restoring already manufactured items. Things would really kick in if the original items were designed with longevity and maintenance in mind. I could write a book on design improvements to common appliances that would make them easier to maintain and service. They'd cost a couple bucks more to manufacture, but they'd last decades. I love the American-made mechanical stuff from the 1940's-1970's. No heat-sealed plastic housings! No rivets! Imagine if we used modern (replaceable and/or upgradeable) electronic components in old-fashioned durable housings. Parts that can't last as long as the rest of the unit should be easy to access and replace.

The article mentions that auto parts have been re-manufactured for decades. You bet - reused, too. When a car or truck gets junked it should be parted out before crushing. All hard-to-manufacture, serviceable parts should be examined, categorized, and put back on the market. The "cash for clunkers" program broke my heart. All those perfectly good small block V8's and transmissions intentionally ruined by running death serum through them. Aargh! What kind of a way to make America strong is that - destroy the stuff we already have?!?

Dome, I hope you make a gazillion dollars and have millions of happy customers.

Its Tippy,
I had a frend that got a Crank from an old compressor used in Hong Kong in an Ice plant.. It was rework the part to make it up to specks or scrap the whole Ice Plant.. It was the same compressor used in West Texas to make Gasoline from Well Head Gas. IE compress the gas until the Ethane,Propane,Butane and Pentane were liquid. It worked with a little Plasma stell build up and regrinding and rebalancing.. A $10,000 machine job saved a 2 million dollar plant from the recycle plant in Korea.

So the plant is good for a other 50 years of service.

Just a thought,
Bruce

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

We watch and learn...eh bra?

Life... Soak it up...


You'll dig this.. I'm 99% sure you were saying that this was a good idea. It's cool because of the location where they're pulling it off! Fitting with the thread!

Developer convinced one (house) is enough, at least for this year:
www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/jan/22/OHAYdevlpr/

[domeasingold]

Kman
I am a car guy. Ask Frank. I still believe in Detroit Iron. However, I am not one to bash any of the competition in the marketplace because I believe it drives ingenuity. IMO the electric automobile market will be amazing. I am already looking at re-cyclable components but I think that may be some time off in the future. I know they are working on re-cycling battery packs so that will be interesting. ITSTIPPY referenced the mechanicals from the 40's to the 70's. Just look at the collector car market and what some of the people do there. If they can re-use it they almost re-make it factory original.
This is also true in the current re-manfactured drivetrain industry. I am familiar with Jasper as they may be the largest re-man company in North America and probably the most well known. They too have gone through a lean decade but are coming back to their core strengths and becoming profitable again. Again IMO, most of these companies tried to cover too broad of the market and have since concentrated on their original strengths. Whereas someone who specialized in engines are staying in engines and those in automatic trnsmissions are staying out of engines. I think this market has a lot of upside potential if those who drive it use better sense and strengthen their own technologies in specific areas.
Does anybody know of any publicly traded companies that are on the forefront of these businesses?

[kman]

It seems as though many flaws find there way to the showroom.


Love to have one of those new 57 Chevy's

[bimetalaupt]

Jan 25, 2011 9:48:06 GMT -5 domeasingold said:

Kman
I am a car guy. Ask Frank. I still believe in Detroit Iron. However, I am not one to bash any of the competition in the marketplace because I believe it drives ingenuity. IMO the electric automobile market will be amazing. I am already looking at re-cyclable components but I think that may be some time off in the future. I know they are working on re-cycling battery packs so that will be interesting. ITSTIPPY referenced the mechanicals from the 40's to the 70's. Just look at the collector car market and what some of the people do there. If they can re-use it they almost re-make it factory original.
This is also true in the current re-manfactured drivetrain industry. I am familiar with Jasper as they may be the largest re-man company in North America and probably the most well known. They too have gone through a lean decade but are coming back to their core strengths and becoming profitable again. Again IMO, most of these companies tried to cover too broad of the market and have since concentrated on their original strengths. Whereas someone who specialized in engines are staying in engines and those in automatic trnsmissions are staying out of engines. I think this market has a lot of upside potential if those who drive it use better sense and strengthen their own technologies in specific areas.
Does anybody know of any publicly traded companies that are on the forefront of these businesses?

The CAF owned the last flying B-29 but the power plants were all but gone.. They need to be replace and there were none. So the used a larger engine with engine mount from a fighter and just take off with 85% power..Now they run higher , faster and longer then the original power plants at 75% Power vs wartime use of the old power systems that made them run hot all the time.. From the B-29/B-24 web site.. You can see this plan at the CAF Midland,Tx wing of the CAF and get a flight of your life for a few $$$$.. For those who want an experience you will not forget. Bruce
When the Confederate Air Force (now the Commemorative Air Force) began searching for a B-29 for our collection of WWII aircraft, the war
had been over for 21 years. The Superforts that helped end it had long since yielded to new generations of jet-powered strategic bombers, and vanished. According to the Air Force, no B-29s remained in inventory ~ even at storage or disposal depots. But the CAF Colonels had faith
and put the word out, and it paid off.

In 1971, a pilot reported sighting a number of what might be B-29s on the California desert near China Lake. The CAF learned the aircraft were indeed Superforts that had been parked at a Navy weapons center for 17 years. They had been used for gunnery targets and abused by heat,
sand and vandals.

After much negotiation (the Air Force still owned the planes; the Navy had to agree to release one), much paperwork and a pain-staking
process of elimination to find the best survivor, the CAF became the owner of B-29 SN44-62070. That was just the beginning of the task.

A CAF maintenance team arrived at China Lake on 31 March, 1971. In only nine weeks, with the help of CAF volunteers, they restored all
systems and replaced fuel, oil and hydraulic hoses. They restored the controls and installed instruments. They ran the engines, tested
propellers and landing gear, and had new window bubbles made. (Many parts and spares also came from the other B-29s at China Lake).

By 3 August, 1971, SN44-62070 was ready to fly again. The crew took on enough fuel to fly non-stop 1,250 miles to CAF Headquarters, then in Harlingen, Texas, lifted off at 7:48 a.m. and in a six hour, 38 minute flight, brought home the last flying Superfortress without incident.

The complete restoration to CAF standards of airworthiness was a long and expensive project involving more than three years of fund-raising and hard work. Late in 1974, the CAF's B-29 was christened "Fifi" and joined the other WWII fighters and bombers to preserve the memories and teach of lessons of mankind's greatest war .[/img]

[domeasingold]

BI
Thank you for the story. I am aware of the CAF and their mission. All I can add is that one word..."Ingenuity". I posted a couple of days ago about the P51 Mustang and the incredible lesson on American Ingenuity and when we really put our heads together what we can do.
BTW I would love to visit the CAF museum. Also if you are interested check out the AirZoo at Kalamazoo, MI. They do a lot of warbird restoration. Mainly carrier based aircraft. I also would like to visit the US Navy air museum in Pensacola. As my father was aboard a carrier during WWII it has always been of interest for me.

[domeasingold]

This post I hope stays on topic. Re-cycle gold. There is a lot of gold that has been used in manufacturing electronics. I have heard of companies that re-cycle electronics primarily to extract the gold but how is it done and what are the yields in the industry?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Hey Dome, good stuff!

I found a couple things to check out for gold recycling.

Recycling gold from scrap PC boards:
www.finishing.com/191/49.shtml

Computer Gold Recycling:
www.ehow.com/about_4728480_computer-gold-recycling.html

Apparently you need a lot of electronics however...

Electronic waste piling up:
www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/jan/20/e-scrap-scrape/?local

The parking lot after Christmas at our recycling places here were stacked FULL of electronics!!!!