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Post by robinking on Jan 20, 2011 14:06:58 GMT -5
I'm NOT a birther. I'm a Libertarian; so I'm more right than left. I was just listening to a man who questions his citizenship. As far as I'm concerned... he's an American regardless of where he was born. I don't care if he was born in Kenya or Hawaii, his mother was an American citizen, so to me... he's an American. Why hasn't this issue been argued?
Who's more an American...
Barack Obama, whose mother was American?
Or, Bruce Lee whose parent's were Chinese, but gave birth to him in Hawaii or LA... but somewhere in America? Or better yet, a baby born to an illegal?
Come on now! Don't we have better topics to debate!
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 20, 2011 14:13:56 GMT -5
<<< Don't we have better topics to debate! >>> ...then why start another thread about this? There have been several. It's been argued both ways. POTUS has fought the opening of his records. So, we're still waiting...  |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 20, 2011 14:15:06 GMT -5
It's been done to death..however till their dying breath they will argue it. One can just scroll, turn the station or participate with the them as to how foolish. Your call and if interested in discussing, just hang loose, I am sure as I type this , there are some here who are typing like mad to get their foolishness, my opinion, not theirs, though for some , it's not what they really believe , just the old {Hey moon , how did you fare getting that ole pot stirring smiley for us?} Pot stirring going for the sake of arguments. So hang tight, they will be along, if not already posted as I type this one. Be interesting to see if already here, and you can argue it out. For me, scroll baby, scroll though possible a smiley or wise ass comment might be forth coming.  There ya go , go to it. ;D |
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Post by bean29 on Jan 20, 2011 14:16:15 GMT -5
I have always wondered about this myself. The birthers apparently are claiming that his Mother renounced her citizenship before he was born.
I completely agree with you. However, he does have a birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii.
I suspect the people holding so fast to the argument are really racist and will use any argument they think will work to get rid of him. I guess it is better that they use the court system than a gun to get what they want.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 14:20:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]A POLL
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 20, 2011 14:24:33 GMT -5
ok but there use to be a "poll" catagory..is it gone?
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 14:26:52 GMT -5
Nope
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Post by sanityjones on Jan 20, 2011 14:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by robinking on Jan 20, 2011 14:44:35 GMT -5
<<< Don't we have better topics to debate! >>> ...then why start another thread about this? There have been several. It's been argued both ways. POTUS has fought the opening of his records. So, we're still waiting... I meant as a nation. I'm tired of it as well, but I just wanted to hear some birthers make sense of their side.. Plus, I'm bored! |
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Post by robinking on Jan 20, 2011 14:54:38 GMT -5
Who cares. His mom was an American. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 20, 2011 14:56:07 GMT -5
Where is it, I am missing seeing it, would be a good poll don't cha think. Also, if i "book mark" some thing , what does that do? Just noticed that feature |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 15:04:10 GMT -5
For the poll, on the subjects page, upper and lower right has a button for new thread and new poll. They are kinda big so that might be why you missed them.  For the bookmark, it sets it up to where if someone posts on the thread you get a PM or email that it has happened (guess you can set up which somehow). I asked moonbeam if there was an option to say, "Notify me unless the response is from *****, *****, or ******. If it is one of them, don't bother because I already know what it will say." She should there wasn't such an option.  |
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 20, 2011 15:08:39 GMT -5
Wrong. He has a "certificate of live birth" from the state of Hawaii. That is not a birth certificate, as it is not signed by an attending physician, and does not state the name of the hospital where the birth allegedly occurred. A COLB can also be obtained after the birth without corroboration of a doctor, as was the case with Obama's COLB (obtained by his grandparents).
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Post by steff on Jan 20, 2011 15:23:23 GMT -5
Oh geeeeeeeeeez, is this still being batted around? Good Lord how silly and a waste of time at this point.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 20, 2011 15:27:53 GMT -5
<<< I meant as a nation. I'm tired of it as well, but I just wanted to hear some birthers make sense of their side.. Plus, I'm bored!>>> ...well, since you're bored... the US as a nation SHOULD demand that this issue be put to rest... if, however small that if may be, we have an "illegal" POTUS, then we've got a mountain of legalese ahead of us to unravel, as everything done by this WH is vetted... talk about a non-boring mess... ...stripping Heisman trophies from ineligible football players is bad enough...  |
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Post by steff on Jan 20, 2011 15:37:59 GMT -5
I'm gonna have a big laugh in a few years when Cam Newton is stripped of his Heisman for all the crap he's managed to skate thru so far.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 20, 2011 15:40:05 GMT -5
Wrong. He has a "certificate of live birth" from the state of Hawaii. That is not a birth certificate, as it is not signed by an attending physician, and does not state the name of the hospital where the birth allegedly occurred. A COLB can also be obtained after the birth without corroboration of a doctor, as was the case with Obama's COLB (obtained by his grandparents).  Hey Robink...here ya go kid, have a ball, just a matter of time.  {smart ass comments by me being thought up as I type} |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 20, 2011 15:42:29 GMT -5
<<< I meant as a nation. I'm tired of it as well, but I just wanted to hear some birthers make sense of their side.. Plus, I'm bored!>>> ...well, since you're bored... the US as a nation SHOULD demand that this issue be put to rest... if, however small that if may be, we have an "illegal" POTUS, then we've got a mountain of legalese ahead of us to unravel, as everything done by this WH is vetted... talk about a non-boring mess... ...stripping Heisman trophies from ineligible football players is bad enough... oops, your in luck, you can play with two if you want, or just pick one, your choice, aren't you lucky. I think you posted the thread because you were bored methinks, you bad, so bad.{tsk, tsk}  |
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 20, 2011 15:45:47 GMT -5
There are just too many unanswered questions to resign to the fact he is a legal American citizen. I can't remember them all but one of them was how he had traveled to Pakistan with an American passport when this was illegal at the time. Periods of time being unaccounted for in the US. There are many questions. I did not know about the COLB, I thought it was an actual birth certificate, so there is one more little problem.
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 15:49:39 GMT -5
There are just too many unanswered questions to resign to the fact he is a legal American citizen. I can't remember them all but one of them was how he had traveled to Pakistan with an American passport when this was illegal at the time. Periods of time being unaccounted for in the US. There are many questions. I did not know about the COLB, I thought it was an actual birth certificate, so there is one more little problem. It has never been illegal to travel to Pakistan as a US citizen. www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 20, 2011 15:55:21 GMT -5
<<< I think you posted the thread because you were bored methinks, >>> ...huh? even if I were bored, what's the dif? maybe I've missed something? |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 16:02:06 GMT -5
There are just too many unanswered questions to resign to the fact he is a legal American citizen. I can't remember them all but one of them was how he had traveled to Pakistan with an American passport when this was illegal at the time. Periods of time being unaccounted for in the US. There are many questions. I did not know about the COLB, I thought it was an actual birth certificate, so there is one more little problem. Many questions were asked and the American people answered them all on November 4, 2008. Get over it.  |
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Post by ed1066 on Jan 20, 2011 16:02:22 GMT -5
The real questions are: 1) who paid for the trip (as Obama himself admits to being dirt poor at that time) and 2) what did he do while he was there? Of course, it's much easier for the liberals to stay on the point of the legality of the trip, so that they don't have to address the real questions...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 16:07:04 GMT -5
I've never thought he is a legal citizen. No birth certificate. Videos of family in Kenya describing his birth in KENYA-- which they attended. Mother was not old enough to have spent the legally required time as an adult in a foreign country for automatic citizenship of her child by the laws of the time. Adopted by stepfather, which changed his citizenship. No record of his citizenship ever being restored. Childhood school records listing him as .. what was it.. Indonesian, or something. ALL college records sealed. Foreign student loans for college here in the USA. Multiple names used.. no record of ever changing his name back to Obama. More I can't remember.. As usual for him-- too many secrets, undisclosed info, and gray zones. I don't go on about it any more, though. Not worth it.
And, bean-- I am not a racist. I just have this thing about transparency, which Obama lacks.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 20, 2011 16:07:30 GMT -5
There are just too many unanswered questions to resign to the fact he is a legal American citizen. I can't remember them all but one of them was how he had traveled to Pakistan with an American passport when this was illegal at the time. Actually, it wasn't. The Department of State had an advisory but never banned travel to Pakistan. dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf |
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 20, 2011 16:10:46 GMT -5
<<< I just have this thing about transparency, which Obama lacks. >>> ...despite promising it... |
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 20, 2011 16:20:02 GMT -5
It has never been illegal to travel to Pakistan as a US citizen.
Did some quick checking Mr. magicfat and it seems you are correct however there was a travel advisory to Pakistan at the time but it wasn't binding. However, there are many, many more things to deal with.
Regards,
Dalton McGuinty Burns III
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 16:23:26 GMT -5
It has never been illegal to travel to Pakistan as a US citizen.Did some quick checking Mr. magicfat and it seems you are correct however there was a travel advisory to Pakistan at the time but it wasn't binding. However, there are many, many more things to deal with. Regards, Dalton McGuinty Burns III And President Obama should deal with each and every question that anyone decides to ask. I am sure he can run the country evenings and weekends.  |
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 20, 2011 16:31:34 GMT -5
I am sure he can run the country evenings and weekends.
Actually, if he had done absolutely nothing since taking office the US would be better off today. That is an indisputable fact since you could not be any worse off right now save for total chaos. But that will probably come anyway.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 20, 2011 16:37:08 GMT -5
It has never been illegal to travel to Pakistan as a US citizen.Did some quick checking Mr. magicfat and it seems you are correct however there was a travel advisory to Pakistan at the time but it wasn't binding. However, there are many, many more things to deal with. Regards, Dalton McGuinty Burns III Cop out, cop out...LOL ;D |
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Hey Robink...here ya go kid, have a ball, just a matter of time. 
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