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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 3, 2012 12:32:30 GMT -5
Environmentalism inspires more murders The International Business Times reports: A 15-year-old boy from Hong Kong stabbed his mother and sister to death because he apparently believed that there were way too many people in the world, and that fewer people would be more environment-friendly, the South China Morning Post reported. How many more will have to die for this failed ideology? Teen killed his mother, sister to 'save planet' Schizophrenic student who went on chopper rampage pleads guilty to manslaughter and is ordered to stay in a psychiatric hospital __________________________________________________ www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.2c913216495213d5df646910cba0a0a0/?vgnextoid=bfdf111960935310VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&vgnextfmt=teaser&ss=Hong+Kong&s=NewsDiana Lee and Ada Lee Feb 02, 2012 A schizophrenic 16-year-old student who killed his mother and younger sister two years ago to make the world "more environmentally friendly" was ordered yesterday to stay in a psychiatric hospital for an indefinite period. ...
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 3, 2012 12:37:28 GMT -5
The operative word there is "schizophrenic." If he sliced his mom up because he confused her with a giant eggplant, would you blame vegetarianism? Making environmentalism a devil here is about the same as saying, if only we trash the planet completely so that the air, water and soil are completely poisoned and everyone dies, we are doing a virtuous thing. No matter what, you still need to breathe, drink water and eat uncontaminated food regardless of your politics. You got a point there TT... a mental condition is the operative word.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 3, 2012 13:05:26 GMT -5
Environmentalism inspires more murders? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. It's tantamount to my saying that religion inspires more murders. When I worked in acute psychiatry, we had patients who butchered their entire families because "God told them to do it. They were possesed with demons and had to die." The operative word here is SCHIZOPHRENIC.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 3, 2012 13:21:44 GMT -5
It's true, you know. Reagan pointed out to us decades ago that trees create some sort of environmental hazard. I'm afraid that I can not remember exactly what it was, but I definitely remember press Secretary Brady (who had a real sense of humor) shouting, on one of their cross country flights, that the country was absolutely full of "killer trees"!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 3, 2012 13:22:48 GMT -5
This ain't murder- but it's a great example of the kind of impact this whacko thinking inspires.
Listen and watch this absolutely looney tune, crazy, fat whack job spew venom and hate in front of this man's kids and everything...
a) Diesels burn cleaner
b) MPG matters, but so does MPG per passenger. We only see the 'big' and we fail to see how efficient a 'big' vehicle is based on their capabilities and the needs of the owners.
c) This fattie clearly isn't that concerned about her health
d) While we're on the topic of carbon footprint- I wonder if this fat fat fattie knows how the 10,000 calories a day she sucks down gets to market? Hint: in a lot bigger trucks than this guy's truck.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 3, 2012 13:26:08 GMT -5
The operative word there is "schizophrenic." If he sliced his mom up because he confused her with a giant eggplant, would you blame vegetarianism? Making environmentalism a devil here is about the same as saying, if only we trash the planet completely so that the air, water and soil are completely poisoned and everyone dies, we are doing a virtuous thing. No matter what, you still need to breathe, drink water and eat uncontaminated food regardless of your politics. You got a point there TT... a mental condition is the operative word. I don't normally listen, but I was tuned into Glen Beck yesterday and he was rambling on about this show he was watching where a guy goes and films all these old mental institutions and he made the point that we don't institutionalize as many people these days, in part at least, because we can medicate them. Pharmaceuticals. So, there are a lot of clinically insane people out running around because a pill (allegedly) makes them "OK". I thought about that, and at least it's an anecdote that helps explain why there are so many just plain crazy people out there.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 3, 2012 13:27:43 GMT -5
I thought about that, and at least it's an anecdote that helps explain why there are so many just plain crazy people out there. That explains a lot...
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 3, 2012 13:30:30 GMT -5
I don't know, TT, but I know that every time I see someone driving a Hummer, I want to stop him and park his vehicle in a busy parking lot, tie him to the outside of his door, and then watch as everyone who parks next to him bashes him as they open their own doors in an effort to leave their vehicles.
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Post by Don Perignon on Feb 3, 2012 13:44:54 GMT -5
The behavioral spectrum of psychotics is quite broad. While some may occasionally commit atrocious acts, the vast majority do little more serious than concoct irrational Opening Premises for crazy rant threads on internet message boards. I recently saw a rant from someone who was outraged (and livid) about receiving skim milk with a meal at a famous fast food chain...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 13:53:17 GMT -5
Wow talk about misleading headlines, very creative but envornmentalists do not deserve to take the blame for unbalanced teens with psychotic delusions.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 3, 2012 13:57:54 GMT -5
Environmentalism inspires more murders spin things much?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 14:10:03 GMT -5
I don't like those "Hummer"cars either, but for totally different reasons. First, they are "traveling blindspots." They make it difficult to pass or see around them in traffic. Second, they are offensive to those of us who respect real soldiers since they let the idle rich play "dress up." If you want a war vehicle, enlist. The only reason we have civilian versions of the humvee is because people will buy them. You wouldn't want to restrict freedom of choice would you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 14:15:43 GMT -5
It's a free country, and I am free to hate those things. To each his own. Agreed. But I feel this country is becoming less free as the years go by.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 3, 2012 14:49:27 GMT -5
So that's like 2 people out of a world population of 6+ billion. Gawrsh, you sure convinced me! Dad: God told me to kill my son Read more: www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/02/12/Dad-God-told-me-to-kill-my-son/UPI-71281234475937/#ixzz1lLg13DGI'God' told bus cannibal to kill www.metro.co.uk/news/568204-god-told-bus-cannibal-to-killGod told me to kill my church pastor mum," murderer told cops www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/9451737._God_told_me_to_kill_my_church_pastor_mum___accused_murderer_tells_cops/WAHH! REligion causes murder!!!!1! Oh, and I have 3 anecdotes, so it must be truer than 2 anecdotes, huh? When in Sillyville, do as Sillyvillans do, I guess. If we only had an anecdote antidote, bulletin board threads would increase in intelligence by at least 25%. [Insert Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich Youtube here] Speaking of Rush, how's the Lord's Army, that roving Christian band of murderers, scandal going ? Or wasn't it a scandal at all to his viewers and all is forgiven as long as it's anti-Obama, facts are not at all necessary? Spare us the 1st Amendment grandstanding, plz.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 3, 2012 14:55:36 GMT -5
Environmentalism inspires more murders? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. It's tantamount to my saying that religion inspires more murders. That one probably isn't too far off. There's likely been more blood spilled in the name of 'god' (all of 'em) than any other reason out there.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 3, 2012 14:57:49 GMT -5
Wow talk about misleading headlines, very creative but envornmentalists do not deserve to take the blame for unbalanced teens with psychotic delusions. This!
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 3, 2012 14:58:29 GMT -5
Environmentalism inspires more murders? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. It's tantamount to my saying that religion inspires more murders. That one probably isn't too far off. There's likely been more blood spilled in the name of 'god' (all of 'em) than any other reason out there. This too!
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 3, 2012 14:59:53 GMT -5
Environmentalism inspires more murders? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. It's tantamount to my saying that religion inspires more murders. That one probably isn't too far off. There has 's likely been more blood spilled in the name of 'god' (all of 'em) than any other reason out there. fixed :-)
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 3, 2012 15:07:42 GMT -5
Psychotic people can always find a reason to act out even down to the color of a tooth brush that their family member bought them. They don't need a logical reason to set them off.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 15:11:58 GMT -5
So that's like 2 people out of a world population of 6+ billion. Gawrsh, you sure convinced me! Dad: God told me to kill my son Read more: www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/02/12/Dad-God-told-me-to-kill-my-son/UPI-71281234475937/#ixzz1lLg13DGI'God' told bus cannibal to kill www.metro.co.uk/news/568204-god-told-bus-cannibal-to-killGod told me to kill my church pastor mum," murderer told cops www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/9451737._God_told_me_to_kill_my_church_pastor_mum___accused_murderer_tells_cops/WAHH! REligion causes murder!!!!1! Oh, and I have 3 anecdotes, so it must be truer than 2 anecdotes, huh? When in Sillyville, do as Sillyvillans do, I guess. If we only had an anecdote antidote, bulletin board threads would increase in intelligence by at least 25%. [Insert Rush Limbaugh or Newt Gingrich Youtube here] Speaking of Rush, how's the Lord's Army, that roving Christian band of murderers, scandal going ? Or wasn't it a scandal at all to his viewers and all is forgiven as long as it's anti-Obama, facts are not at all necessary? Spare us the 1st Amendment grandstanding, plz. Why? Does 1st amendment grandstanding, or any grandstanding, apply only when you do it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 3, 2012 16:05:34 GMT -5
Let's give SF this much: the examples people are using to put the (absurd) OP into perspective are not cases of an ideology being taken too far.
A man who murders his mother after confusing her with an eggplant is not extending the notion that "eggplants are terrible". A man who cannibalizes passengers on a bus is not extending the notion that "the bible condones cannibalism".
In contrast, the OP presents the case of a man who espouses the belief "there are too many humans on Earth". Although he's stretched this philosophy to a (literally) insane end, we mustn't neglect the fact that "there are too many humans on Earth" is a very real environmentalist philosophy, it is dangerous, and it does affect people's thinking.
Consider Mr. antibabble (see Reply 13), who has described Catholics as an "overpopulous plague of feral cats" to express his contempt for the Catholic Church's opposition to the use of contraceptives and advocacy for abstinence-only birth control. How much of this statement is colourful metaphor and how much of it is an expression of actual feelings, I don't know. I do know that any man who meant it in the fullest sense (I do not believe Mr. antibabble does) holds no regard for Catholics' humanity.
Mr. vandal (see Reply 6), as another example, has firmly expressed his support for abortion as birth control to prevent Malthusian unpleasantness. In sir's mind, India, Mexico, and other nations with greater-than-self-sustaining birth rates will shortly grow to sizes that will only be kept in check by starvation, disease, and other Malthusian factors. It is therefore not only necessary but preferable that couples in these nations abort their children by the hundreds of millions rather than subject them to (what sir believes will be) imminent suffering.
These ideologies are toxic. They are misanthropy masquerading as pragmatism, and they are becoming increasingly prevalent. They are the sane older brother of the insanity in the OP—both of them begotten by an ideology that I believe SF is right to call attention to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 16:11:15 GMT -5
But Schizophrenics, at least the real ones, are so disordered mentally as to have no "ideology" of any type. They are completely non-functional on any real level. That is why they got a pass even over a century ago. The whole point of Schizophrenia is that it is delusional. Not the result of a poisonous ideology, but completely and totally psychotic. Exactly, the trigger could be anything and is quite meaningless in and of itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 16:17:38 GMT -5
I get the feeling that people have no idea what Schizophrenia is. It is a real, major mental disorder. It is not a "split personality" or "multiple personality" ala Sybil. It is a real, quantifiable problem characterized primarily by florid hallucinations. I hear you, I've experienced this first hand. A family memeber suffers from schizophrenia and would hear voices. I was never sure if it was the couch or a plant speaking to him so I don't know which to blame.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Feb 3, 2012 16:22:09 GMT -5
The guy was insane, yeah.
SF chose the article because the murderer's immediate reason for killing his mother and sister was to "save the Earth". In that moment, the murderer completely and utterly disregarded his family's humanity in pursuit of an environmental ideal.
My point is that saner people will disregard others' humanity to a lesser extent in pursuit of the same ideal. It is dangerous not because of what it wreaks in the hands of the insane but because of the inhibitions it deconstructs in the minds of the sane.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 3, 2012 16:44:11 GMT -5
"Mr. vandal (see Reply 6), as another example, has firmly expressed his support for abortion as birth control to prevent Malthusian unpleasantness. In sir's mind, India, Mexico, and other nations with greater-than-self-sustaining birth rates will shortly grow to sizes that will only be kept in check by starvation, disease, and other Malthusian factors. It is therefore not only necessary but preferable that couples in these nations abort their children by the hundreds of millions rather than subject them to (what sir believes will be) imminent suffering." ______________________________________________________________________________ I am flattered, Virgil! That is exactly how I envision the future. Good to know that someone was listening!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 16:47:46 GMT -5
"Mr. vandal (see Reply 6), as another example, has firmly expressed his support for abortion as birth control to prevent Malthusian unpleasantness. In sir's mind, India, Mexico, and other nations with greater-than-self-sustaining birth rates will shortly grow to sizes that will only be kept in check by starvation, disease, and other Malthusian factors. It is therefore not only necessary but preferable that couples in these nations abort their children by the hundreds of millions rather than subject them to (what sir believes will be) imminent suffering." ______________________________________________________________________________ I am flattered, Virgil! That is exactly how I envision the future. Good to know that someone was listening! You would abort a fetus, not a child. just sayin.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 3, 2012 16:59:12 GMT -5
Good point, Apple!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 17:01:49 GMT -5
Best to reduce exponential population growth through education of what it is, along with our planets finite resources. At 7 billion and climbing ever faster, I feel we have reached past the point of self control. There's no one I could tell to have less children. I fear starvation and killing will be the ultimate end result of overpopulation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2012 17:03:42 GMT -5
Best to reduce exponential population growth through education of what it is, along with our planets finite resources. At 7 billion and climbing ever faster, I feel we have reached past the point of self control. There's no one I could tell to have less children. I fear starvation and killing will be the ultimate end result of overpopulation. I have my money on a little tiny killer that isn't even visual to the naked eye. The ultimate equalizer. Best get the body bag orders in soon. Now there's a business to go into. hmmmm....
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