Inexpensive Common sense solutions are needed

[ugonow]

And less distortions by libs on people dying in the streets---"So I have a solution [to the health care crisis]. And it will cost not one thin dime," John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis, told the Dallas Morning News in an interview published Thursday.

"The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American – even illegal aliens – as uninsured. Instead, the bureau should categorize people according to the likely source of payment should they need care. So, there you have it. Voila! Problem solved."

Hospital emergency rooms cannot technically turn away anyone for financial reasons.

"So instead of producing worthless statistics that people fling around in vacuous editorials and pointless debates, the Census Bureau should produce meaningful numbers, identifying all of the sources of funds people will draw on if they need medical care," said Goodman, who helped write McCain’s health care plan.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

The left wing lunatics always engage in fabricating extremist scenarios. Like the other day when the congress voted successfully to overtune the health care bill. They called it mass genocide...referred to the repubs as Nazi's.

[ugonow]

The left wing lunatics always engage in fabricating extremist scenarios. Like the other day when the congress voted successfully to overtune the health care bill. They called it mass genocide...referred to the repubs as Nazi's.

--But yet dems insist on death panels as a way to save healthcare dollars.Funny how Palin managed to get the panels knocked out of Obamacare,but then dems include language in medicare for seniors to have to stand before them.

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I made myself watch the Rachel Maddow show last night. They were ranting about how many times Pubs used the TERRIBLE word KILL in their debates in the house referring to kill the bill. Funny how they missed that Jackson woman saying Pubs are KILLING AMERICANS by wanting to repeal the bill. Selective hearing, perhaps?

[ugonow]

Just in case they missed it,kriket,-------Ms. JACKSON LEE of Texas. There is nothing that one can do when you're debating this bill than to be civil and to respect the American people, who, many of them, are in the jaws of terrible disease, rehabilitation, or maybe some have already lost their lives. And the repeal of this health bill, just a couple of pages, would sentence people possibly to dying. H.R. 2 talks about jobs when we're talking about lives.

So I think it is important that we follow what the repeal of this patient protection and health care bill does--end consumer protection, patient protection. And I think it is important for us to be able to hold this Constitution and prove that the Affordable Care Act is constitutional.

Well, I could say that there are 1.1 million jobs already created, that the deficit will blow up $143 billion, a trillion over 20 years. But I really want to refer to the 14th Amendment that allows and guarantees you equal protection under the law.

If this bill is repealed, Ed Burke, a hemophiliac, will probably have serious health issues because he would have lifetime caps. Or Mr. Land, who was on my health care teleconference--where 18,000 people in Harris County were contacted--maybe he, who is from a family of schizophrenics and people who have children that have schizophrenia, maybe he would not be guaranteed the equal protection under the law.

Maybe they would not be able to withstand this onslaught on their rights because the Constitution guarantees them equal protection. And some who have insurance and some who do not would not be treated equally.

And finally, let me say that in Texas, the Department of Insurance has said that this bill helps Texans.

I hope my colleague from Texas will vote not to repeal this bill. I will vote ``no'' on the repeal.
-- Congressional Record, January 18, 2011, page H216

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Another Jackson Lee tidbit on the Neil Cavuto show.
www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/your....-cavu to_b49189

[billisonboard]

Hey ug...., another inexpensive common sense solution to health care costs is to encourage people to exercise but of course if someone were to suggest that it would open them up to attack.

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But... but... I read on another thread that people are getting run over because Mrs. POTUS told them to walk to work!! Whatever shall we do??


A problem with Census doing this here in AZ is that illegals do not like to be counted. Not that I think they should have free healthcare here, but the count would not be accurate in AZ and I am sure many other places. That is just the problem re. illegals.
Then there are many other people that object to Census doing anything except a head count, which I agree with. If they start looking at people's finances...... not good. I would, personally, be okay with a simple multiple choice question, but that is all.
I have read that the healthcare bill has little hidden things in it that would give the gov't full access to your bank accounts, etc. Not sure if that is true, though, but most people would not like that. If I am not applying for FAFSA loans or welfare or something the gov't has no business knowing how much money I have. Does anyone know if this is true-- that the gov't can gain access to our finances ( through the healthcare bill) when they FORCE us to buy healthcare?? If I do this involuntarily, because I am broke, then I have not consented to allow the gov't to verify my finances. I'll see if I can find any article on that.

[floridayankee]

Jan 20, 2011 12:26:59 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Hey ug...., another inexpensive common sense solution to health care costs is to encourage people to exercise but of course if someone were to suggest that it would open them up to attack.

Exercise is too much like work.

Enough of that silly talk and just pass the damned salt for my fries.

[Deleted]

Yank!!! Sounds like you need re-education on how to live in a modern, global society!!

[burnsattornincan]

Maybe they would not be able to withstand this onslaught on their rights because the Constitution guarantees them equal protection. And some who have insurance and some who do not would not be treated equally.

How stupid does this twit think the American public is? Where does it say people are guaranteed equal protection using other people's money? With this logic you could say people with no money should be given houses to protect them from the elements. What a sorry bunch of pathetic losers you have down there in public office.

[Angel!]

Jan 20, 2011 10:27:16 GMT -5 ugonow said:

--But yet dems insist on death panels as a way to save healthcare dollars.Funny how Palin managed to get the panels knocked out of Obamacare,but then dems include language in medicare for seniors to have to stand before them.

Geez - there were never any death panel in the legislation. Sad people are still running around with this rumor.

[ugonow]

I have read that the healthcare bill has little hidden things in it that would give the gov't full access to your bank accounts, etc.

Amazing,isn't it? If more people realized this,maybe repealing it would be easier.

[ugonow]

Sad people are still running around with this rumor.

Politicians don't take rumors out of bills and try to stick them in others.

[Angel!]

Jan 20, 2011 13:16:39 GMT -5 ugonow said:

I have read that the healthcare bill has little hidden things in it that would give the gov't full access to your bank accounts, etc.

Amazing,isn't it? If more people realized this,maybe repealing it would be easier.

What is more amazing is how people believe everything they read. I would ask for a source documenting this claim or for someone to point to the language in the bill, but I know all too well no one would be able to provide such a thing.

[Angel!]

Jan 20, 2011 13:18:35 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Sad people are still running around with this rumor.

Politicians don't take rumors out of bills and try to stick them in others.

No they don't, because the death panels never existed & were never moved to a different bill.

[Deleted]

UHHH, burns.. we already did the giving houses to people with no money. It did not work out well for us.

[ugonow]

Really? They were removed from Obama care and then dems tried to slip them into medicare.....thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicare/136033-report-white-house-reverses-end-of-life-policy-after-criticism

[workpublic]

i'm still waiting for my free house. ;D

[Angel!]

From your article:

Though "death panels" were named lie of the year by Politifact, a political fact-checking website, the label has dogged end-of-life planning since conservatives first objected to it in the summer of 2009.

Your own proof of 'death panels' calls them the lie of the year. Do you understand what end-of-life counseling involves? Do your realize there is not a panel of people that you stand before to be judged? Do you realize that it was never required?

[ugonow]

Read up on the dems plan to save healthcare dollars.No one should have to plead for their lives in front of them---www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-death-panels-medicare/2010/12/26/id/381043

[fairlycrazy23]

I'm still trying to figure out how the OP solves anything

[Deleted]

Well-- I googled healthcare bill gives gov't access to bank accounts--- lots of hits. I sure never heard one word that this was removed from the bill before the final bill was forced on us.
Here's one story. I will post the words from the bill, and you can read the rest if you want to.
usconservatives.about.com/b/2009/08/02/feds-get-real-time-access-to-patient-bank-accounts-under-obamacare.htm
Feds Get Real-Time Access to Patient Bank Accounts Under ObamaCare
Sunday August 2, 2009
It's not long before the reader encounters just how far-reaching and invasive this bill really is. On page 57, under section 163, there is something that would give the government power to reach into benefits recipients' bank accounts. It is called "Administrative Simplification," and Subsection 1173A of this measure, "Standardize Electronic Transactions" has a provision (a)(2)(B) that ensures that this new governmental power:

"be authoritative, permitting no additions or constraints for electronic transactions ..." (C) "be comprehensive, efficient and robust, requiring minimal augmentation by paper transactions or clarification by further communications;" and, finally, (D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;" ... (E) "enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims ..." (Emphasis added)


I BING a lot.

[ugonow]

So they will be consficating our retirement savings?

[Angel!]

Jan 20, 2011 13:35:16 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Read up on the dems plan to save healthcare dollars.No one should have to plead for their lives in front of them---www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-death-panels-medicare/2010/12/26/id/381043

Are you serious? Do you read through any articles before you post them?

It allowed Medicare to pay for consultations about advance care planning every five years.

Where are these panels you keep mentioning? Who is pleading? I would ask again if you understand what end-of-life counseling is, but I think I am talking to a brick wall.

BTW - medicare currently allows seniors to have end-of-life counseling appt during their first year of coverage. All this was going to do was to allow them to have that conversation every 5 years should they want to change anything in their living will.

[Angel!]

Jan 20, 2011 13:39:47 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Well-- I googled healthcare bill gives gov't access to bank accounts--- lots of hits.Feds Get Real-Time Access to Patient Bank Accounts Under ObamaCare

I would have to do more research on this, but it sounds to me like this is no different from what the IRS already does. If you owe the govt money - taxes, child support, student loans, etc - they can come get it from you without having to go through the lien or garnishment process that a normal creditor would have to go through.

I'll have to read more about this though.

[ugonow]

Seniors and the handicapped have good reason to fear dems death panels Do dems really think they are worthy of deciding who shall live and who sshould die?------"Incoming House Speaker John Boehner said during the healthcare debate: “This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia.”

Specifically, the measure was known as Section 1233 of the bill the House passed in November 2009. It was not included in the final legislation, however. It allowed Medicare to pay for consultations about advance care planning every five years. In contrast, the new rule allows annual discussions as part of wellness visits. "

Elizbeth D. Wickham, executive director of LifeTree, a pro-life Christian educational ministry, told the Times that she is concerned that end-of-life counseling would encourage patients to forgo or curtail care, thus hastening death.

“The infamous Section 1233 is still alive and kicking,” Wickham said. “Patients will lose the ability to control treatments at the end of life.”

The rule was issued by Dr. Donald Berwick, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, according to the Times. He is a longtime advocate for rationing medical procedures for the elderly.

Before Obama tapped Berwick for the Medicare post, Berwick had long applauded Britain's National Health Service, which uses an algorithm to determine whether the aged are worthy of additional expenditures for medical care and advanced treatments.

Berwick has argued that rationing will have to be implemented eventually, stating, “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care. The decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”

Seniors appear to be a major target for precious resources under the Obama healthcare plan. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the Obama plan cuts nearly $500 billion in Medicare benefits to seniors as the federal government adds 30 million uninsured Americans to private and public healthcare systems."
Read more on Newsmax.com: Obama Embraces 'Death Panel' Concept in Medicare Rule
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I understand, angel, but that is talking about people that are violating something, or as I mentioned, applying for gov't loans, or welfare, etc. We are talking here about private citizens that did not request a service, are been forced to apply for or accept a service, and opening their bank accounts for inspection-- with no consent given. It's downright frightening, is what it is.

[Angel!]

Jan 20, 2011 14:00:34 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I understand, angel, but that is talking about people that are violating something, or as I mentioned, applying for gov't loans, or welfare, etc. We are talking here about private citizens that did not request a service, are been forced to apply for or accept a service, and opening their bank accounts for inspection-- with no consent given. It's downright frightening, is what it is.

That is why I would have to read further, because I am guessing it would still only be in circumstances where the people owe money - not paying for insurance they applied for - not paying the tax for not having insurance - or not paying their portion of medical bills. I really doubt that one day you wake up finding your account has been levied & you knew nothing about owing any money. Generally that has been the govts last resort. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it falls in line with what the govt is already doing.

[Angel!]

Yes, ugonow, I read the article. It doesn't mention going in front of any panels to plead your case like you keep saying. At worst, it talks about how some fear this end-of-life counseling might lead to rationing or encouraging senior to forego care. A fear that medicare covered end-of-life counseling might lead us down the wrong path is pretty far from the death panels you keep insisting are in the bill.

Like I said - there were never "death panels" in the bill. No where will you be able to find language in any variation of the bill that included forcing people to go before a panel & plead their case to get treatment or anything else similiar.