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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 20, 2011 10:32:57 GMT -5
Diverting runoff, rain, downspout or other similar water into the municipal sewage system is a local public works issue. I believe these are handled by local ordinances. Runoff from storms, downspouts, etc., being put into the local sewage waste systems taxes those systems needlessly.
Runoff water should be directed into storm drainage systems.
I see the fed epa overstepping its jurisdiction.
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Post by ugonow on Jan 20, 2011 10:36:54 GMT -5
And why can't they just use cameras like everyone uses to inspect lines?Because they can't get information on the homeowners that way?
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 20, 2011 11:01:43 GMT -5
Lets get real. This about a cost issue not hunting for guns etc in homes. Most of the inspections are done outside the house looking at how the gutter drains are run. The only need to enter the house would be if they have a sump pump in a basement. Actually the sump pump would be the most likely be pumping into the sewer system. This has been illegal for some time. Much ado about nothing
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 20, 2011 11:07:28 GMT -5
This has been illegal for some time. Much ado about nothing
Not a federal issue.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 11:16:09 GMT -5
 Anyone have any information other than the one agenda piece article that starts this thread?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 20, 2011 11:21:08 GMT -5
Anyone have any information other than the one agenda piece article that starts this thread?
I don't see any "agenda" in the initial post. The article states the district is being required to meet the Federal EPA order. It further stated that officials in the regional epa office and Washington headquarters have declined to respond.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 20, 2011 11:22:48 GMT -5
Wait until the air starts stinking.
Mr. ed1066, do you have any further stink to add to this conversation?
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 11:23:02 GMT -5
Anyone have any information other than the one agenda piece article that starts this thread? I don't see any "agenda" in the initial post. The article states the district is being required to meet the Federal EPA order. It further stated that officials in the regional epa office and Washington headquarters have declined to respond. WorldNetDaily has no agenda?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 11:24:52 GMT -5
Phone number is in the link, bill-- give them a call. I think I'll pass on that one.  |
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 20, 2011 12:51:02 GMT -5
Anyone have any information other than the one agenda piece article that starts this thread? I don't see any "agenda" in the initial post. The article states the district is being required to meet the Federal EPA order. It further stated that officials in the regional epa office and Washington headquarters have declined to respond. WorldNetDaily has no agenda? Their agenda isn't any worse than MSM. In fact, if this story was not running in the MSM, I'd be more inclined to believe it. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 12:56:34 GMT -5
WorldNetDaily has no agenda? Their agenda isn't any worse than MSM. In fact, if this story was not running in the MSM, I'd be more inclined to believe it. Damned by faint praise in that first sentence. What does the second sentence mean? |
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 20, 2011 13:06:32 GMT -5
Their agenda isn't any worse than MSM. In fact, if this story was not running in the MSM, I'd be more inclined to believe it. Damned by faint praise in that first sentence. What does the second sentence mean? That the important stories are usually overlooked, and I'd argue deliberately, by the MSM. |
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 20, 2011 13:10:37 GMT -5
The fact that the fed epa is sticking their noses into local town ordinances is not an agenda.
The fact that this is being reported by a news source that has an agenda is completely irrelevant.
Fed EPA officials are refusing to comment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 13:13:33 GMT -5
I just binged "EPA orders coplay whitehall to do inhome inspections".... got pages of hits. We are not the only ones noticing this.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 13:14:16 GMT -5
::)If there were truly anything nationally significant to this story, we would be hearing, "Here also!" - "Here also!" - "Here also!" Why the Coplay Whitehall Sewer Authority? My guess is that they are either having a serious problem with their system or they are looking to get federal money and the feds require that the system is functioning properly before they give them money.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 13:15:50 GMT -5
I just binged "EPA orders coplay whitehall to do inhome inspections".... got pages of hits. We are not the only ones noticing this. How many don't cite the one WND article?  |
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:17:26 GMT -5
Based on the article I think the only one over stepping their bounds is the sewer authority. The EPA has seen an issue where during large rains the sewer authority's system cannot handle the total inflow and ends up passing some untreated sewage through the system. So instead of expanding their sewage system they are trying to stop rain water runoff, but then blaming the EPA, rather pathetic.
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Post by workpublic on Jan 20, 2011 13:20:41 GMT -5
don't worry the new federal law regarding lead abatement will put most of the plumbers out of business anyway. it's $800 per worker per mandatory course with 30K plus fines if you do it wrong. my plumber friends tell me if they get hit with a fine like that, they'll just give the keys to the truck to the issuing agent and tell em it's his business now.  |
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:27:07 GMT -5
Why would lead abatement put them out of business. There are thousands of companies throughout the US that specialize in abatement activities from asbestos to mold. Why wouldn't the plumber higher a specialist to complete the work?
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Post by workpublic on Jan 20, 2011 13:29:04 GMT -5
the costs.
$8oo per employee to get "certified". 30k fines for doing the job not up to the new "standards"(which are debatable). or added costs of bringing in high priced "certified experts" on every job that has lead.
plumbers use lead in small amounts.
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:30:10 GMT -5
Mitigated by a specialist, I don't buy it. |
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 20, 2011 13:30:31 GMT -5
I think the issue is that plumbers have to take classes to learn how to do it right and have a consequence for failing to do it properly.  All just to prevent lead poisoning in the general population  |
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Post by workpublic on Jan 20, 2011 13:38:04 GMT -5
All just to prevent lead poisoning in the general population job killing expensive courses. $800 per course. ridiculously high fines for "failing to comply(arbitrary at best)" bills did you get lead poisoning from your plumbing - ever? do you know of any lead poisoning issues caused by joe the plumber types? what was the "need" for this "federal law"? plumbers already know how to do it right. it's not for safety(as fascists/police states claim). it's for revenue. do you know anything about plumbing or contracting or construction work in general? have you ever done any? |
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:42:06 GMT -5
Plumbers shouldn't be using lead at all Work, it's call 90% silver solder and is the only solder allowed on piping containing potable water, so try again.
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Post by workpublic on Jan 20, 2011 13:43:02 GMT -5
Mitigated by a specialist
how much do you think the "specialists" are going to charge?
will the homeowner pay the extra cost for the "federally required specialist" or will jobs not get done due to cost.
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Post by workpublic on Jan 20, 2011 13:44:41 GMT -5
almost every shower that's older than 8 years has a lead pan under it
i'll ask my buddy the plumber what else lead is used for in plumbing. it's just not plumbers this new law(in effect in april) will effect.
my bottom line is that the feds have no business in my house. let the town's deal with it.
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:45:44 GMT -5
Mitigated by a specialist how much do you think the "specialists" are going to charge? will the homeowner pay the extra cost for the "federally required specialist" or will jobs not get done due to cost. Such as life, did you bitch about asbestos? or mold? Buyer beware when you buy and old really crappy house that still has lead pipe in it, because that's what we are really talking about here. |
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:46:45 GMT -5
almost every shower that's older than 8 years has a lead pan under it I still require lead sheeting underneath floor drains in new construction, but that isn't what we are talking about, we are talking about lead pipes caring potable water. Now do you want to talk about the sewer system in the OP or sidetrack the whole damn thread. |
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Post by workpublic on Jan 20, 2011 13:48:01 GMT -5
maybe what you're talking about. i'm talking about the federal govt overstepping it's bounds.
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Post by magichat on Jan 20, 2011 13:49:55 GMT -5
So each state should have a different law in regards to hazzardous materials? I'm not a fan of the Federal Government but uniformity in certain areas does have it's advantages.
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