US Jobs: Coming or Going?

[decoy409]

Where do those numbers come from? Well have a look as it did not just start.

The average company in the U.S. is only 15 years old. In 1975, the average company was 58 years old.

And as things have done anything but improve UK way there number is far higher now than it was. I bring the UK into things as on a overall basis,we need those people working as well,

July 5,2010 - Graduates warned of record 70 applicants for every job

Class of 2010 told to consider flipping burgers or shelf stacking to build skills as they also compete with last year's graduates

www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/jul/06/graduates-face-tougher-jobs-fight

And we have made that calculation of 100/1 here in the US on the ongoing losses in which we have covered losses by great numbers both in and out of town.

And as of late in this sector out of town,

Dec. 28,2011 - 23 applicants for every job vacancy... and there are 46 for each customer service role

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079172/23-applicants-job-vacancy--46-customer-service-role.html

So what's up here? Well we have been advancing in a backwards decline,

June 17,2011 - the contrarian: The Second Recession in the Second Great Depression

excerpt - It’s easy to be fooled by the bulk of the current business news that seems to focus on the day-to-day events in the financial markets. One has to look deep to view the grimy underbelly of the economy, and what that reveals is a blossoming odor of decomposition.

Last week, for example, 414,000 workers filed first-time claims for unemployment compensation, representing the 10th consecutive week that it has been over 400,000. So far, during the three-and-a-half year economic decline, nearly 8,000,000 jobs have been lost and what little job creation has taken place, overall, has fallen short of even accommodating the normal growth in the labor force, which has amounted to 6 million people during the course of this economic downturn. The working population is growing by an average of 170,000 people per month. Incidentally that’s a figure the media seems to avoid like the plague.

Moreover, corporations continue to burnish their bottom lines on the backs of the workforce. Pfizer, for example, is axing 20,000 jobs for the second year in a row, and has just announced an additional purge of 10,000 jobs next year. All of that carnage represents a 3-year reduction in payroll costs of $5 billion per year. Many other corporations, such as Home Depot and Dell, Inc., are reporting higher earnings as a result of lower labor costs.

Despite the fact that we are 41 months into the downturn, nearly 14 million workers are still officially unemployed and another 8.6 million are classified as “involuntary part-time workers.” This does not include the 2½ million people the Labor Dept. says have simply given up trying to find work. Last month, McDonalds announced that it had declined 15 applications for every one it had accepted. College graduates are facing an intense scramble to get jobs this summer, as a poll of over 200 firms reveals the number of applications for each vacancy has surged to nearly 70 while the number of available positions has fallen by nearly 7%.

Also, wages in the U.S. have been seriously losing ground. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported last month that the average wage, adjusted for inflation, has risen 10% since January of 1990 while, at the same time, the Cost of Living Index has grown by 76%. The Census Bureau recently reported that 15.7% of the population, or 47.8 million Americans, are now living in poverty. And the rate is even higher for children.

Furthermore, the long-term shift in income and wealth from the middle class to the upper class is gathering momentum. The top 20% now owns 84% of the nation’s wealth and the workers’ share of the national income is plummeting. This type of situation was identified in a Brookings Institution report as one of the main causes of the First Great Depression.

www.thedailycrock.com/?p=1968

April 29,2011 - Job at McDonalds harder to get than acceptance to Harvard

excerpt - McDonalds just hired 62,000 people. Over 1 million people applied for these jobs. That’s a 6.2% acceptance rate – and it’s probably lower lower because “at least 1 million people applied”. They had said they would hire only 50,000, but upped the number to 62,000:

traderscrucible.com/2011/04/29/job-at-mcdonalds-harder-to-get-than-acceptance-to-harvard/

Dec. 5,2011 - The U.S. Census Bureau says 5.9 million recent college graduates are moving back in with their parents. That number is up 25 percent from nine years ago. They are being called boomerang kids.
(end)

[jarhead1976]

More Jobs being cut.

Wall Street received news Thursday of positive jobs numbers in a private-sector payroll report from ADP. Specifically, jobs increased 325,000 in December, led by the service sector and small businesses. Additionally, November's employment numbers were revised slightly higher.

But lest you think everything is coming up roses, keep in mind that many big corporations are still reluctant to hire. In fact, they continue to cut back based on some of the recent headlines.

For starters, PepsiCo (PEP -0.58%) is considering cutting about 4,000 jobs, according to the New York Post. Citing inside sources, the paper also said Pepsi may reduce pension contributions in order to boost its earnings.

And Kansas employees of Boeing (BA -1.37%) will be looking for work soon. The aircraft maker will be out of Wichita entirely by 2013, leaving more than 2,100 workers in the lurch. Boeing has called Kansas home since the 1920s but decided the facility no longer allows the company to produce planes competitively in the current market.

While the ADP improvement is mildly encouraging and the drop in unemployment from above 9% to the mid-8% levels is nice, these mass layoffs show that the labor market still has a long way to go.

What's more, these cuts signal what is likely a disturbing trend in corner offices beyond those at just Pepsi and Boeing. Aerospace workers nationwide are bracing for protracted cuts in Pentagon spending as federal budget cuts take center stage in this election year.

The Boeing headline is worrying to workers at competitors like Lockheed Martin (LMT -1.93%) and Northrop Grumman (NOC -1.83%), but perhaps of greater concern is that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is reviewing plans to trim $450 billion from the military budget over the next 10 years. Military contractors have begun to consolidate manufacturing facilities and eliminate thousands of jobs from coast to coast in anticipation of this plan.

As for Pepsi, the company employs about 300,000 workers globally, so the layoff might seem small-time. But the move to cut back on benefits is very telling. Eliminating a 401k match would save Pepsi $75 million, according to the Post, but don't think for a second that cash is needed to keep the lights on. Pepsi is sitting on eight consecutive quarters of year-over-year revenue gains and is on track to see its fiscal 2011 earnings jump about 37% from 2008 numbers.

Pepsi isn't in dire straits. It's just squeezing employees to impress Wall Street because it lacks confidence. And lets face it, confidence is the only thing that will ever save this economy.

[decoy409]

jarhead, and that confidence is not won by clickity-click at the press with the apron on. I want to see the jobs being posted in the Market Talk of those in the MILLIONS. As we are diver down and in order to surface you will need MILLIONS produced at once in which I stated 4 years back.

Some like banging a buck from offshore TAX CHEATS. Well then those like supporting DEMISE of their country here in the U.S.A. Instead move why don't those simply move out! Move the heck next door to your TAX EVADER.

Is everybody doing it? Nope. Just a vast majority and many are not even aware of the consequences from as the work place applies the rape for company employee and the vast of them have no idea what even is transpiring.

4,000 from Pepsi hey. Don't forget to add in,

Jan. 5,2012 - RBS may cut as many as 10,000 jobs: report

www.marketwatch.com/story/rbs-may-cut-as-many-as-10000-jobs-report-2012-01-05

That report is inaccurate the talking head states. And since we sleep in the same bed as the UK,and our on the hook as TAXPAYERS for the actions in bailing water,my as well keep up with the deteriorating job market that way as well where over 70% plus of college grads are told to make plans to flip burgers and move back home as well.

And this did not just start,it's ongoing!

July 5,2010 - Graduates warned of record 70 applicants for every job

Class of 2010 told to consider flipping burgers or shelf stacking to build skills as they also compete with last year's graduates

www.guardian.co.uk/education/.../graduates-face-tougher-jobs-fight

Oh yeah! Can you smell it!

[jarhead1976]

The fan is on. Blowing it all over. Lets think about how they present the job number's? "Down to 372,000 " BLS. Ok great, some kids got some part time work over the holidays . We are still adding 372,000 a week new claims to the 10 million already unemployed.

[usaone]

Jar

Average weekly claims over the last 15 years is 373,000.

[jarhead1976]

Hello usaone good to see you again. Thats sounds right.

[decoy409]

It does?

I would do a bit of research. Here is a great place to do some learning about the bookwork,

Weekly jobless claims rise 15K to 381K

hotair.com/archives/2011/12/29/weekly-jobless-claims-rise-15k-to-381k/

and make sure to catch,

Weekly jobless claims show more of the same

hotair.com/archives/2011/06/23/weekly-jobless-claims-show-more-of-the-same/

Dive into the bookwork and have some laughs!

[Deleted]

425k jobless claims is unemployment rising

400k is basically neutrel

375k is small growth in jobs

350k is a nice economy

Detroit (which is one of the cities mentioned in the articles above is dead. It has been for 10 + years.
Michigan is working hard trying to lure companies to move there...but getting few results, even offering great incentives. Lansing, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo have the same stories.

But for every Detroit, there is an Austin Tx or a Washington DC market.

Things change...companies die from many causes. Bad management, products becoming obsolete, etc.

Others are formed, and start to prosper. This is the way it is, and always will be.

The skills necessary to get "middle class" wages are no longer from high school. And the line worker who used to work at the factory and make 45-60k annually having just a basic education are the jobs that have been out sourced.

You can adapt...and thrive. Or you can be stubborn, and unwilling to make the necessary changes, and die a slow death.

Opportunities are still out there...just maybe not in your back yard, or with your skill set.

[Steady As She Goes]

Jan 4, 2012 21:19:55 GMT -5 decoy409 said:

Where do those numbers come from? Well have a look as it did not just start.

And as things have done anything but improve UK way there number is far higher now than it was. I bring the UK into things as on a overall basis,we need those people working as well.

We were talking about the US applicants per job ... not the UK. Other countries numbers are different for sure ... and other countries need to get their house in order ... but we were talking about the US applicants per job. The UK's applications per job opening are not part of the US statistics.

July 5,2010 - Graduates warned of record 70 applicants for every job.
Class of 2010 told to consider flipping burgers or shelf stacking to build skills as they also compete with last year's graduates.

THAT was 2010 ... we are talking about 2011. I already know the ratio for 2010 ... I asked where you got your 100/1 ratio for 2011. Please stick to 2011 facts.

April 29,2011 - Job at McDonalds harder to get than acceptance to Harvard
excerpt - McDonalds just hired 62,000 people. Over 1 million people applied for these jobs. That’s a 6.2% acceptance rate – and it’s probably lower lower because “at least 1 million people applied”. They had said they would hire only 50,000, but upped the number to 62,000:

OK ... let's do some simple math here ... 1,000,000 applicants for 62,000 openings ... that's only 16.129 applicants per 1 job opening. A far cry from the 100 to 1 that you stated was the US average. So far you're DISPROVING your previous statement of 100/1 rather handily

And as of late in this sector out of town,
Dec. 28,2011 - 23 applicants for every job vacancy... and there are 46 for each customer service role
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2079172/23-applicants-job-vacancy--46-customer-service-role.html

I'm not certain WHAT you're trying to state when you say "in this sector of town"? It sounds as if you're referring to to YOUR geographical area ... but I went to the link you provided as proof and again found you diverting to the UK. And even though you quoted ONE sector of customer-service applicants per job as 46/1, you failed to mention that the article states that the AVERAGE (which is what we are talking about) is 23/1 ... In fact, the very first sentence of your quoted article states that "An average of 23 people are chasing every job in Britain, a report warns today". There are always WORSE cases than the average ... but there are BETTER cases as well.
Again, decoy, a far cry from the 100/1 AVERAGE that YOU list as FACT.

Dec. 5,2011 - The U.S. Census Bureau says 5.9 million recent college graduates are moving back in with their parents. That number is up 25 percent from nine years ago. They are being called boomerang kids.

Has nothing to do with proving or disproving your 100/1 (applicants to job openings) quote.

June 17,2011 - the contrarian: The Second Recession in the Second Great Depression
excerpt - It’s easy to be fooled by the bulk of the current business news that seems to focus on the day-to-day events in the financial markets. One has to look deep to view the grimy underbelly of the economy, and what that reveals is a blossoming odor of decomposition.

Agreed ... it is EASY to be fooled by day-to-day events, but it also appears to be very EASY to skew and try and use PIECES of facts in an attempt to prove ones own agenda.

So let's SEE ... Throw out the TWO UK stats you used since they don't apply to the US average (even though the UK average is 23 applicants per job available) ... Throw out the 2010 stat since we were talking about 2011 ... you used McDonalds 1,000,000 applicants for 62,000 jobs (or 16/1) ... and that leaves ?!? Exactly WHERE is your proof of an average 100 applicants for every 1 job opening in the US?

Oh wait ... I have one more quote from you...

And we have made that calculation of 100/1 here in the US on the ongoing losses in which we have covered losses by great numbers both in and out of town.

The links YOU provided don't even come close justifying the 100/1 number you report.
And here I SEE the problem. YOU are only trying to use the most grievous instances to justify your statement of a 100/1 applicants per job opening. You are NOT using ALL OF THE FACTS ... You are deliberately slanting the facts and purposefully misleading people.

Who's really fooling who?

[decoy409]

steady, the NEWS is THE NEWS. Sorry your offended or trying to simply not accept it. Your just not looking. Enjoy your misrepresentation as well as your life. And best of 'LUCK' to you.

"The skills necessary to get "middle class" wages are no longer from high school."

And apparent that college is not the ticket for the majority as well.

When some figure out that they do not live ontop of the hill the better off things will be. And sooner or later,(I would presume tha later) some will start figuring out that things are much different then they were years ago and spread out is the playing field with 3 games going at once,Chess,Monopoly,Dominoes'.

[usaone]

College is the answer.

College degree unemployment is 4%.

[decoy409]

Here is your New Year breakdown sport,

Jan. 4,2012 - Unemployment Rates By College Majors

Your chances of getting a job depend greatly on your major. A Georgetown University study released Wednesday shows that unemployment rates among college graduates are highest for those who majored in architecture, arts and the liberal arts.

Some want to address D.C.’s high unemployment by getting more District youth to go to college; unemployment is 26 percent in Ward 8, where half of adults stopped their schooling at high school. That’s the impetus behind a new D.C. proposal requiring all District high school students to take a college admission exam. But these unemployment figures show that simply getting a college degree won’t be enough to prevent you from being unemployed. There’s also a racial disparity: young black college graduates face double the unemployment rate than white college graduates.

Here are the recent college graduates with the highest unemployment rates:

Architecture: 13.9% Arts: 11.1% Humanities and liberal arts: 9.4% Social science: 8.9% Recreation: 8.3% Computers and mathematics: 8.2% Law and public policy: 8.1% Life and physical science: 7.7% Engineering: 7.5% Business: 7.4% Communications and journalism: 7.3% Psychology and social work: 7.3% Agriculture and natural resources: 7% Health: 5.4% Education: 5.4%

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2828638/posts

[Steady As She Goes]

Jan 5, 2012 14:05:50 GMT -5 decoy409 said:

steady, the NEWS is THE NEWS. Sorry your offended or trying to simply not accept it. Your just not looking. Enjoy your misrepresentation as well as your life. And best of 'LUCK' to you.

"The skills necessary to get "middle class" wages are no longer from high school."

And apparent that college is not the ticket for the majority as well.

When some figure out that they do not live ontop of the hill the better off things will be. And sooner or later,(I would presume tha later) some will start figuring out that things are much different then they were years ago and spread out is the playing field with 3 games going at once,Chess,Monopoly,Dominoes'.

Not offended at all, decoy. It's not about "me" accepting or not accepting. I SEE the FACTS. I've read the links YOU provided and I've been researching.
I haven't made any claims or misrepresented any data ... I simply asked: where "YOU" came up with your "across the board" in the US in 2011, 100/1 (applicant's versus job openings) ... and you gave me 2010 information, data that doesn't even pertain to the US (and even THAT data you misrepresented), and data that proved your own misinformation as inaccurate.
I haven't misrepresented anything ... but you seem to have no difficulty in doing so.
I'm not the one who's not accepting FACTS.

And while I agree that SOME job openings may have upward of over 100 applicants vying for the position ... that in NO WAY makes it a national AVERAGE of 100/1 as you claim as fact. It just isn't so.

I get that things are different now than they were in the past (who doesn't?) ... there is definitely LOTS of room for improvement ... but that's no reason to misrepresent and misreport the REAL facts ... (which you seem to do ad nauseam).

So, Decoy, I offer you one more chance to PROVE to your readers how you came up with a US National AVERAGE of 100 applicants for every 1 job opening as a statement FACT and not just something that you made up.

"Living on a hill" or "playing 3 games at once" has nothing to do with my question ... and if you think it does, then by all means, feel free to include it your justification of your 100/1 AVERAGE.

[Steady As She Goes]

Jan 5, 2012 14:27:18 GMT -5 decoy409 said:

Here is your New Year breakdown sport,

Jan. 4,2012 - Unemployment Rates By College Majors

Your chances of getting a job depend greatly on your major. A Georgetown University study released Wednesday shows that unemployment rates among college graduates are highest for those who majored in architecture, arts and the liberal arts.

Some want to address D.C.’s high unemployment by getting more District youth to go to college; unemployment is 26 percent in Ward 8, where half of adults stopped their schooling at high school. That’s the impetus behind a new D.C. proposal requiring all District high school students to take a college admission exam. But these unemployment figures show that simply getting a college degree won’t be enough to prevent you from being unemployed. There’s also a racial disparity: young black college graduates face double the unemployment rate than white college graduates.

Here are the recent college graduates with the highest unemployment rates:

Architecture: 13.9% Arts: 11.1% Humanities and liberal arts: 9.4% Social science: 8.9% Recreation: 8.3% Computers and mathematics: 8.2% Law and public policy: 8.1% Life and physical science: 7.7% Engineering: 7.5% Business: 7.4% Communications and journalism: 7.3% Psychology and social work: 7.3% Agriculture and natural resources: 7% Health: 5.4% Education: 5.4%

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2828638/posts

Those are college "unemployment rates" for SPECIFIC positions and fields. It still doesn't prove a 100/1 US National AVERAGE of applicants to job openings that you claim.

[Steady As She Goes]

Jan 5, 2012 14:27:18 GMT -5 decoy409 said:

Here are the recent college graduates with the highest unemployment rates:

Architecture: 13.9% Arts: 11.1% Humanities and liberal arts: 9.4% Social science: 8.9% Recreation: 8.3% Computers and mathematics: 8.2% Law and public policy: 8.1% Life and physical science: 7.7% Engineering: 7.5% Business: 7.4% Communications and journalism: 7.3% Psychology and social work: 7.3% Agriculture and natural resources: 7% Health: 5.4% Education: 5.4%

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2828638/posts

If these are the "highest" unemployment rates ... does that mean that ALL the OTHER college graduates in all the other fields have unemployment rates LOWER than 5.4%?

[jarhead1976]

gdgva, "400k is basically neutral "
I would agree with that. With the BLS revising their numbers up consistently, I would say we are stalled and losing ground. Your optimism is refreshing.
Alcoa will soon be closing up plants in TN.

[Deleted]

Published in Washington Post
By Peter Whoriskey, Published: January 4
College kids may choose to spend their campus days studying the glories of Plato, Shakespeare and Le Corbusier.

But, as a new study points out, there may be a steep price to pay for it

Recent college graduates with bachelor’s degrees in the arts, humanities and architecture experienced significantly higher rates of joblessness, according to a study being released Wednesday by Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce.

Among recent college graduates, those with the highest rates of unemployment had undergraduate degrees in architecture (13.9 percent), the arts (11.1 percent) and the humanities (9.4 percent), according to the study.

The recent college graduates with the lowest rates of unemployment had degrees in health (5.4 percent), education (5.4 percent), and agriculture and natural resources (7 percent.) Those with business and engineering degrees also fared relatively well.

“People keep telling kids to study what they love — but some loves are worth more than others,” said Anthony P. Carnevale, one of the study’s authors. “When people talk about college, there are all these high-minded ideas about it making people better citizens and participating fully in the life of their times. All that’s true, but go talk to the unemployed about that.”

The analysis, which was based on 2009 and 2010 data from the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey, comes amid an increasing debate over the value of college education as an economic investment. Over the past two decades, the average amount of debt a student takes on has roughly doubled in real terms, leading to greater scrutiny of the financial returns of college.

Carnevale and his team have also quantified the value of various majors in terms of wages. Over a lifetime, the earnings of workers who have majored in engineering, computer science or business were as much as 50 percent higher than the earnings of those who majored in the humanities, the arts, education and psychology.

“If I had been any better at math, I might have gone into engineering — I would have liked to have an automatic job right out of college,” said Stephanie Kerner, a recent graduate with a degree in political science and psychology from Oglethorpe University. “Because, let’s be honest, no one wants to struggle like this.”

Kerner became unemployed in March after a brief job as a medical receptionist was cut. She has about $50,000 in student debt.

“I think you should go to school for what you love, but you should understand what you’re getting yourself into,” she added.

Erin Hayes graduated in the spring of 2010 with a degree in political science from the University of North Carolina Charlotte. Saddled with $28,000 in college debt, she is now again living with her father. The difficulty of the job market led her to seek a master’s degree in the fall, more quickly than she’d planned. Her recent job-seeking efforts have included a first interview at Barnes and Noble, a “no, thank you” e-mail from Target and attempts at temp agencies. She remains unemployed.

“Political science teaches you how to think,” she said. But “college should prepare students better for actual real life. You really should come out with some transferable skills.”

Whatever the woes of college graduates, however, the authors of the study opined that college is “worth it.”

While unemployment among recent college graduates stood at 8.9 percent, the rates were much, much higher among job seekers with less education. Unemployment among those with a recent high school diploma was 22.9 percent, and 31.5 percent of recent high school dropouts were without a job.

Results did vary by field, however.

Even across relatively similar fields, unemployment rates could be significantly different. For example, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates in information systems was 11.7 percent, while the rates for majors in computer science was 7.8 percent.

Unemployment rates were generally higher among those with degrees in non-technical fields, the authors said.

Majors aligned with particular occupations and industries — such as education and health — tended to show lower unemployment rates.

Even so, there appear to be few hard and fast rules. Graduates with degrees in architecture, which is closely linked with the construction industry, showed the highest levels of unemployment. The collapse of the housing industry has curtailed job prospects.

“It’s slim pickings out there, that’s for sure,” said Valerie Berstene, who graduated in May from Catholic University of America with a master’s degree in architecture. “It’s challenging in ways that I never anticipated.”

Although she has thought about pursuing other fields, she has no regrets about sticking with the field that she is devoted to.

“If I left for another field, I would miss architecture too much,” she said




Study results are from 2009-2010

And although i know and respect Georgetown, the study was done to promote college for DC residents, who have one of the highest dropout rates of cities in the country. The unemployment rate for inner city youths in DC is somewhere near 30%. They hope to convince more kids to stay in school and better their prospects.

The latest number i had seen for 2011 graduates was at 7%.....but cant remember where i saw the numbers.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Steady As She Goes...

[tyfighter3]

Most of the trade schools are doing okay.

[Steady As She Goes]

Jan 5, 2012 16:35:23 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Steady As She Goes...

LOL .......
I don't deserve being bowed down to ...

[usaone]

Jan 5, 2012 14:27:18 GMT -5 decoy409 said:

Here is your New Year breakdown sport,

Jan. 4,2012 - Unemployment Rates By College Majors

Your chances of getting a job depend greatly on your major. A Georgetown University study released Wednesday shows that unemployment rates among college graduates are highest for those who majored in architecture, arts and the liberal arts.

Some want to address D.C.’s high unemployment by getting more District youth to go to college; unemployment is 26 percent in Ward 8, where half of adults stopped their schooling at high school. That’s the impetus behind a new D.C. proposal requiring all District high school students to take a college admission exam. But these unemployment figures show that simply getting a college degree won’t be enough to prevent you from being unemployed. There’s also a racial disparity: young black college graduates face double the unemployment rate than white college graduates.

Here are the recent college graduates with the highest unemployment rates:

Architecture: 13.9% Arts: 11.1% Humanities and liberal arts: 9.4% Social science: 8.9% Recreation: 8.3% Computers and mathematics: 8.2% Law and public policy: 8.1% Life and physical science: 7.7% Engineering: 7.5% Business: 7.4% Communications and journalism: 7.3% Psychology and social work: 7.3% Agriculture and natural resources: 7% Health: 5.4% Education: 5.4%


freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2828638/posts

If you have a college degree unemplyment is 4%.

Shadowstats.com

[usaone]

The unemployment situation is night and day better than it was in 2008 and early 2009.

Does that mean everythings great? Of course not. We are early on in the recovery.

It will take 3 to 4 years for the recovery to be completed.

[usaone]

Jan 5, 2012 12:25:31 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Hello usaone good to see you again. Thats sounds right.

Right back at you Jar!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jan 5, 2012 17:02:58 GMT -5 Steady As She Goes said:

Jan 5, 2012 16:35:23 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Steady As She Goes...

LOL .......
I don't deserve being bowed down to ...

Lets see. Champion offspring, which would lead one to believe that you're a good dad and husband plus you're a Santa for hundreds of sick kids at Christmas.

You're right, we should only bow to god, but it would be great if more people acted like you sir.

I think you deserve a STRAIGHT answer for posts #43-#45, considering that all this doom and gloom is rooted in the destruction and failure of a great country that you are still very much a part of building.

Let's see if you get it.

[usaone]

Another 200K jobs added.

Recovery is starting to pick up some momentum.

[flow5]

The 4th qtr surge corresponds with the increased rates-of-change in monetary flows in the last qtr. This trend is topping and should reverse in Jan.

[Steady As She Goes]

Jan 5, 2012 22:48:31 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Jan 5, 2012 17:02:58 GMT -5 Steady As She Goes said:

LOL .......
I don't deserve being bowed down to ...

Lets see. Champion offspring, which would lead one to believe that you're a good dad and husband plus you're a Santa for hundreds of sick kids at Christmas.

You're right, we should only bow to god, but it would be great if more people acted like you sir.

Thanks for those kind words AHB. I'm like many other people out there who are helping where they can, that's all.

I think you deserve a STRAIGHT answer for posts #43-#45, considering that all this doom and gloom is rooted in the destruction and failure of a great country that you are still very much a part of building.

Let's see if you get it.

Let's not get carried away ... LOL
... silence speaks VOLUMES ...

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

NP Steady. IMO, the silence in this case means that you are 110% correct. It would seem that you have put the argument to bed, US jobs are slowing coming back. It obviously doesn't suite the people who want to believe in the destruction of the USA, but in reality that doesn't matter. Because in reality, there are good people out there doing good things, while most of this D&G is people sitting at home in their green rooms on their CPU's. Some K4U.

[Steady As She Goes]

Thanks AHB ... K4U as well.

[decoy409]

Put things to rest?

Really?

While you are posting all of those nickel and dime jobs,better start figuring out how the nickel and dime jobs are going to keep up when the actual being lost and reported gained stay COOKED at best.

From the POST today,

excerpt - Economist John Williams of Shadowstats.com says the government reported more than 40,000 jobs that didn’t exist. In his latest report, Williams said, “The reported seasonally-adjusted 200,000 jobs surge in December 2011 payrolls included a false, seasonally-adjusted gain of roughly 42,000 in the “Couriers and Messengers” category.” Williams went on to report, “While today’s happy labor data likely will fuel financial-media and political talk of an improving economy, the underlying reality remains bleak, with data later this month and next generally tending to confirm the ongoing bottom-bouncing of the U.S. economy in a severe downturn.” (Click here to go to the Shadowstats.com home page.) If unemployment was calculated the way BLS did it in 1994 and earlier, it would be 22.4% according to Williams.
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Get 'em justifiers.