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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 9:38:33 GMT -5
i think Romney slowly opens up a lead. he is already turning in his best numbers of the campaign. however, this position assumes that Cain will implode. i think it will be because he is retarded in terms of foreign policy. any other opinions? ? anyone care?
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Oct 24, 2011 9:40:00 GMT -5
anyone care? NO!!!!
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 9:41:18 GMT -5
anyone care? NO!!!!i am more than a little worried about that, in the aggregate.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Oct 24, 2011 9:52:17 GMT -5
Sunday, October 23 Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread President Obama Job Approval Gallup Approve 44, Disapprove 47 Disapprove +3 President Obama Job Approval Rasmussen Reports Approve 43, Disapprove 56 Disapprove +13 Friday, October 21 Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread Iowa Republican Presidential Caucus Univ. of Iowa Cain 37, Romney 27, Paul 12, Gingrich 8, Bachmann 4, Perry 6, Santorum 3, Huntsman 1 Cain +10 Illinois Republican Presidential Primary The Simon Poll/SIU Cain 23, Romney 21, Gingrich 8, Perry 7, Paul 7, Bachmann 4, Huntsman 3, Santorum 2 Cain +2 Ohio Senate - Mandel vs. Brown PPP (D) Brown 48, Mandel 40 Brown +8 www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 9:52:38 GMT -5
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Post by floridayankee on Oct 24, 2011 9:59:18 GMT -5
anyone care? NO!!!!i am more than a little worried about that, in the aggregate. Why would that worry you? Honestly, I don't really care either since I don't get a voice in the primary. No need sweating over what-ifs. Once it is decided and the ticket is set, then it will matter.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Oct 24, 2011 10:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:08:51 GMT -5
this thread is not about the GE. i watch those approval numbers closely, though, if you want to start a second thread.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:10:04 GMT -5
i am more than a little worried about that, in the aggregate. Why would that worry you? Honestly, I don't really care either since I don't get a voice in the primary. No need sweating over what-ifs. Once it is decided and the ticket is set, then it will matter. that is your opinion. i don't share it. but since i am a registered Republican, this stuff DOES matter to me. are you an independent?
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Oct 24, 2011 10:12:45 GMT -5
this thread is not about the GE. i watch those approval numbers closely, though, if you want to start a second thread. It is far more relevant than a poll for Romney and Cain and could spell trouble for Obama which means the Republicans have a good shot at the White House in 2013 if you care anything about Polls
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:13:43 GMT -5
this thread is not about the GE. i watch those approval numbers closely, though, if you want to start a second thread. It is far more relevant that a poll for Romney and Cain and could spell trouble for Obama which means the Republicans have a good shot at the White House in 2013 if you care anything about Polls not the point. i don't care anything about Obama. and i would prefer that this thread is not about him, if you don't mind.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Oct 24, 2011 10:15:48 GMT -5
It is far more relevant that a poll for Romney and Cain and could spell trouble for Obama which means the Republicans have a good shot at the White House in 2013 if you care anything about Polls not the point. i don't care anything about Obama. and i would prefer that this thread is not about him, if you don't mind. I don't care about a Poll about Cain or Romney and think it is a meaningless but Obama's low approval will set the tone for the Presidential Election which is far more important to voters
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Post by floridayankee on Oct 24, 2011 10:18:43 GMT -5
that is your opinion. i don't share it. but since i am a registered Republican, this stuff DOES matter to me. are you an independent? And that's perfectly fine that it matters to you since it is your registered party. It really shouldn't worry if it doesn't matter to others though, unless they are also registered republicans or in an open primary state. Officially I am NPA on my voter reg card since I left party affiliation blank.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:18:53 GMT -5
not the point. i don't care anything about Obama. and i would prefer that this thread is not about him, if you don't mind. I don't care about a Poll about Cain or Romney and think it is a meaningless but Obama's low approval will set the tone for the Presidential Election which is far more important to voters then start a thread on it. this is a thread about Cain -vs- Romney.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:19:31 GMT -5
that is your opinion. i don't share it. but since i am a registered Republican, this stuff DOES matter to me. are you an independent? And that's perfectly fine that it matters to you since it is your registered party. It really shouldn't worry if it doesn't matter to others though, unless they are also registered republicans or in an open primary state. Officially I am NPA on my voter reg card since I left party affiliation blank. NPA? no party affiliation?
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Post by floridayankee on Oct 24, 2011 10:23:53 GMT -5
NPA? no party affiliation? I believe so. Our choices were Dem, Repub, Other (write in registered party name) and None. I didn't even check none. DW did and hers says INT (for independent I would assume). FL is a closed primary state. I do keep up with it a little since one of these azzclowns will be running against Obama. All the poll hype doesn't do much for me though.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:26:00 GMT -5
NPA? no party affiliation? I believe so. Our choices were Dem, Repub, Other (write in registered party name) and None. I didn't even check none. DW did and hers says INT (for independent I would assume). innerestin. and yeah, i agree with you about worrying. but it is precisely that fact that worries me: that party line voters will not be thrilled with these candidates.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Oct 24, 2011 10:29:09 GMT -5
How about Buddy Roemer
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Post by floridayankee on Oct 24, 2011 10:30:22 GMT -5
I believe so. Our choices were Dem, Repub, Other (write in registered party name) and None. I didn't even check none. DW did and hers says INT (for independent I would assume). innerestin. and yeah, i agree with you about worrying. but it is precisely that fact that worries me: that party line voters will not be thrilled with these candidates. I added to my last post but I'll re-post here too. I do keep up with it a little since one of these azzclowns will be running against Obama. Plus I'll likely get info on the candidates now that you might not get once the ticket is set. All the poll hype doesn't do much for me though. So far, I'm not impressed with any of the leading repub candidates.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:33:11 GMT -5
innerestin. and yeah, i agree with you about worrying. but it is precisely that fact that worries me: that party line voters will not be thrilled with these candidates. I added to my last post but I'll re-post here too. I do keep up with it a little since one of these azzclowns will be running against Obama. Plus I'll likely get info on the candidates now that you might not get once the ticket is set. All the poll hype doesn't do much for me though. So far, I'm not impressed with any of the leading repub candidates. ditto. and unfortunately, i think this is going to be a very common reaction. but we shall see.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:37:30 GMT -5
i don't care for his foreign policy, and i don't think Obamacare should be repealed, but revised. other than that, i like him.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Oct 24, 2011 10:42:12 GMT -5
djlugrot, I with you on that. I see him going after the real problems in this country regarding the buying and selling of politicians. I think he has first hand experience with going after corruption.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:46:04 GMT -5
Well you guys have to pick one of them right? Why not go with the one who has the best chance of beating President Obama. That man is NOT Herman Cain, imo. I realize that this is not a threat about the prez dj, and am not trying to change the focus. I do believe that electability is a very important consideration of primary voting, and it seems to me that your most electable candidate is Romney. Plus he has gads of money and a strong campaign organization, while Cain has a very limited staff operation from what I've heard. Cain also came out with what increasingly sounds like a half baked, poorly thought out tax code proposal as the centerpiece of his agenda. Ouch. and i think that how these men individually run against Obama is relevant to the thread, for the record. i don't think Obama's approval matters at all, however. since it seems to have puzzled several of you, i will state WHY i believe this is the case. Reagan had approximately the same approval numbers at this point in his first term as Obama does today. he absolutely CRUSHED Mondale. why? because the nation was not ready for a truly liberal candidate in the middle of a conservative makeover, and the worst downturn since WW2. the GOP is running this race like it doesn't matter- but i think it is going to be a LOT closer than the party elite do. and therefore, how the candidates run against Obama is going to matter, a lot. Cain is currently 5% behind Romney in that department, and i think that is what is going to carry Romney to the top, ultimately. for now, i think that the blush of romance is going to wear off with Cain as people start to question his effectiveness and ability. it is these latter questions that interest me for this thread. but since nobody seems to think that is important, i guess i will stand down.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:48:19 GMT -5
djlugrot, I with you on that. I see him going after the real problems in this country regarding the buying and selling of politicians. I think he has first hand experience with going after corruption. thanks, bb. i contend that as this race goes on, Cain and Perry are going to make Romney look very attractive.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 10:58:46 GMT -5
the GOP is running this race like it doesn't matterI must respectfully disagree with you there. I agree that it SEEMS that the GOP is being inattentive to this race, I think they very much do think it does though. The very fractious nature of the GOP base at this point has made the race seem clownish. But the GOP elites very much think this race is winnable, and very much want to do so. Witness McConnell's remarks about his number one priority being the deteat of the current president. The Tea Party is a mixed blessing to GOP hopes to say the very least. i posted an article earlier in the thread that strongly disagrees with you (post #4). did you read it? i am not sure that i agree with the article, for the record, but it is food for thought. it is from the washington monthly.
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Post by bubblyandblue on Oct 24, 2011 10:59:41 GMT -5
"Cain and Perry are going to make Romney look very attractive. " I think you are correct. Then Romney will then have to make himself look more digestible to a wider audience. I already find him hard to swallow. I am a Dem but, Buddy is the only one I would consider to vote for. Obama has already shown he has foreign policy cred. He has also shown he has not been entirely succesfull at overcoming the obstuctionism from the right. Meanwhile, Cain and Perry are quite able to screw themselves when they open their mouths - I believe people are taking on more responsibility when educating themselves about our economy and country - self education is intruding into the once empty space between the publics ears, formaly reserved for imputs of non-real wold realities.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2011 11:23:51 GMT -5
They aren't tied. They're not even close. The GOP primary isn't a national poll; it's elections state by state-- and so far, nobody is within reach of Romney in any of the early primary states that will set the momentum up for the nomination.
I'm not a fan of Romney, I really want Cain to trounce him (or anyone else to trounce him) and for a few minutes there, I thought it was gonna happen. I really wanted to see a TEA party candidate win it all. I think right now the TP vote is split.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2011 11:27:15 GMT -5
They aren't tied. They're not even close. The GOP primary isn't a national poll; it's elections state by state-- and so far, nobody is within reach of Romney in any of the early primary states that will set the momentum up for the nomination. a valid point. Romney is going to crush him in NH.
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Post by floridayankee on Oct 24, 2011 13:14:45 GMT -5
ditto. and unfortunately, i think this is going to be a very common reaction. but we shall see. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are likely the only two repub candidates that would get my votes at this point in time. I'd love to see either of them break free from the repub ticket run as an indy. The media pretty much ignores both of them so they probably wouldn't have much of a chance either way.
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