Let's Get This Straight

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Jan 13, 2011 20:07:37 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

Is it just me, or is this forum getting inundated with a gazillion threads all about the same topic? (Political commentary allegedly being involved in the Tucson Shootings?) At some point, perhaps we need a ONE STOP THREAD where stories on the same topic could be posted? Just a thought.

Just so you know,Molly, this is what Lakhota does. Like's to post from leftwing propaganda sources, and usually does not respond.

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Jan 13, 2011 22:26:54 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How many of you believe we should take away Lakhota's right of free speech.

Shall we start a thread with a poll?
And would the results be honored?

[deziloooooo]

"IMO, Lak's obsession with assigning blame where it doesn't belong simply highlights how far left and out of touch the progressives really have become"
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Actually that is a matter of opinion..if you think that , fine but then there are others who feel otherwise, so isn't it a matter of personal interpretation, not a fact.
Because some one doesn't like the message, "shoot the messenger"?
Better to read, if disagree , argue why..and if possible credible links would help. That's not just on a individuals post of ideas and articles it all of our thoughts here.

When I see posted "in my opinion ", I believe, I am suggesting that" and such lead ins to opinions expressed rather then "obsession with assigning blame where it doesn't" which seems to me one is saying it is a fact...case closed...rather then the possibilities of ...open for discussion, I am more inclined to read on and comment on the suggestion then spend time refuting the point being made as a idea of the poster rather then a suggestion of.

Just a thought here.

PS I did see the IMO, but to often we don't see anything like that. Just the post indicating " it is "

In defense of Lakhotas posts..they are interesting, granted all along the same lines, the same as others who post similerly , just posting the other side of the issue, but also the same old , same old, but most times the explanation of their feelings come down to something along the lines of , "because I said so "

[The Virginian]

How many of you believe we should take away Lakhota's right of free speech.

You mean like he would like to do the right he so despises??

The problem with Liberals is that they only see things from their perspective. They should be looking at matters in a constitutional perspective!

[deziloooooo]

" Like's to post from leftwing propaganda sources"''
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That kind of reminds me of the statement.."one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter ", all from the perspective of the reader and poster....one sides interpetation of 'propaganda " is anothers feeling the same material is a "factual source "...such is the way we humans look at the same thing, but through different ways of seeing things. { So what is the answer to that? Beats me, no clue at all. Sigh}

[deziloooooo]

Jan 14, 2011 13:37:37 GMT -5 The Virginian said:

How many of you believe we should take away Lakhota's right of free speech.

You mean like he would like to do the right he so despises??

The problem with Liberals is that they only see things from their perspective. They should be looking at matters in a constitutional perspective!

We do silly, it's just that we interpete the great document one way and the other side interpets it a different way. ;D

[skweet]

Because some one doesn't like the message, "shoot the messenger"?


Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=1558&page=2#ixzz1B2K5fIuX

I don't think that kind of hateful, anti-messanger rhetoric has any place in a civil discussion. A right-wing fascist post like this is what gets people hurt.
Personally I have lost respect for anyone that takes this tragedy and tries to use it for political gain. I think that Duptnick (?) is reprehensible for giving a murderer a line of defense, the left is making a huge mistake, and that Palin (the right in general) is crazy for responding. As an observer of the political hay that has come out of this, I have to say that the democrats seem to be losing in a battle that would have never existed if they weren't stretching reality to create a battle. My sincere sympathies go out to everyone involved.

[deziloooooo]

Jan 14, 2011 13:37:37 GMT -5 The Virginian said:

How many of you believe we should take away Lakhota's right of free speech.

You mean like he would like to do the right he so despises??

The problem with Liberals is that they only see things from their perspective. They should be looking at matters in a constitutional perspective!

Your suggsting that the conservatives don't also see things from their perspective ?? You have to be kidding..though I guess I should wait for your response first, ok , me bad strike my comment of "you got to..." waiting for the response, just be fore warned , the "you got to..." is still a viable response. {Hope you have a sense of humor, a hope ,a,hope} ;D

[marjar]

Jan 14, 2011 13:37:37 GMT -5 The Virginian said:

How many of you believe we should take away Lakhota's right of free speech.

You mean like he would like to do the right he so despises??

The problem with Liberals is that they only see things from their perspective. !

The right doesn't???

[rockon]

Everyone sees things from their perspective but the more intelligent recognize that there is also an opposing perspective that should be considered. Anyone who believes there is only rights and lefts are ignoring the fact that most real good solutions are usually a result of intense debate and compromise. Thats why it is great to have righties, lefties and the in betweens having discussion in this forum.

[b2r]

President Obama wisely counseled the nation this week at the Tucson massacre memorial that “Bad things happen, and we must guard against simple explanations in the aftermath.” But as the progressive Left’s smear-stained recent history shows, criminalizing conservatism is a hard habit to break.

michellemalkin.com/2011/01/14/blame-righty-a-condensed-history/

[marjar]

Jan 14, 2011 14:17:39 GMT -5 rockon said:

most real good solutions are usually a result of intense debate and compromise. .

That is true.

[floridayankee]

Jan 14, 2011 13:30:02 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

"IMO, Lak's obsession with assigning blame where it doesn't belong simply highlights how far left and out of touch the progressives really have become"
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Actually that is a matter of opinion..if you think that

That must be why the first three letters in my quote are IMO. In case you didn't know, that means In My Opinion.

, fine but then there are others who feel otherwise, so isn't it a matter of personal interpretation, not a fact.

Reread the above reply.

Because some one doesn't like the message, "shoot the messenger"?

I don't advocate shooting anybody....unless they pose an immediate threat and cause you to fear for your own personal well being, perhaps.

Better to read, if disagree , argue why..and if possible credible links would help. That's not just on a individuals post of ideas and articles it all of our thoughts here.

Unlike others, I prefer to form my own opinions rather than have them spoon-fed to me by some biased website. So, dezi, where would you suggest I go to find a link to my personal opinion? Perhaps I can wirelessly link myself into the web?

When I see posted "in my opinion ", I believe, I am suggesting that" and such lead ins to opinions expressed rather then "obsession with assigning blame where it doesn't" which seems to me one is saying it is a fact...case closed...rather then the possibilities of ...open for discussion, I am more inclined to read on and comment on the suggestion then spend time refuting the point being made as a idea of the poster rather then a suggestion of.

Just a thought here.

So...let's see if I understand you here. I need a link to back up my thoughts, but judging from the lack of links in your post, you do not.

Got ya.

PS I did see the IMO, but to often we don't see anything like that. Just the post indicating " it is "

Well then why not save your "20 lashes with a wet noodle" for them? You could have saved us both a lot of time by quoting the IMO and saying "Thanks for sharing your most excellent opinion...I wish more people would start their responses like that."

In defense of Lakhotas posts..they are interesting, granted all along the same lines, the same as others who post similerly , just posting the other side of the issue, but also the same old , same old, but most times the explanation of their feelings come down to something along the lines of , "because I said so "

Perhaps....but if I wanted to read "the news", I'd go to a news site.

[b2r]

January 13, 2011
My Name is Betsy. I'm a Killer.
By Betsy M. Galliher

My name is Betsy. I'm a wife and proud soccer mom, a writer, and a small business owner. I'm also a killer.

On the morning of January 8, 2011, I intentionally entered a gathering held by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and shot her at near-point-blank range. I injured fourteen others, killing six -- among them a beautiful, curious, doe-eyed, nine-year-old girl. I didn't actually pull the trigger, but I'm as guilty as the psychopath who did.

Here are just a few of the charges against me:

I am a conservative.

On occasion, I listen to Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox News.

I've been known to pick up a book or two by conservative authors: Thomas Sowell, Andrew McCarthy, or the Founding Fathers, for example!

I believe that the federal government is too large, far too intrusive, and dangerously powerful.

I believe in personal responsibility and the amazing generosity of Americans to aid those in need rather than permanent entitlements.

I believe that the private, not the public, sector is the backbone of our economy.

I believe that our progressive tax system is punitive. We are over-taxed, over-regulated, and over-lectured.

I believe in the power of the free market to correct itself, without government (taxpayer) intervention.

I believe that the Constitution is intended to limit government and empower the individual.

I believe in holding our elected officials' feet to the fire, be they Republican or Democrat (incendiary pun intended).

I believe that our sovereignty is at risk via unsecured borders, out-of-control spending, our crippling deficit, reckless abuses of the Constitution, and the moral decay of Washington.

In short, I'm a madman. Guilty as charged, and armed with the belief in my 1st-Amendment right to peaceably question those we elect to serve.

The only person who actually pulled the trigger on that terrible, fateful day was Jared Loughner -- by every account, a deeply troubled young man. But the real guilty walk among us: senior citizens in red, white, and blue, armed with signs saying "Taxed Enough Already"; flag-wavers clinging to guns and religion; doctors; the wealthy; business owners; talk radio; and any citizen -- particularly a conservative -- who dares exercise his or her right to free speech.

We're called greedy, stupid, and racist. We're ridiculed with snide "slurpee" innuendos and called lewd and malicious names, such as "tea partiers." Ordinary citizens are maligned by their own government while the pious, liberal elite get a free pass on reason and truth, while Islamists invoke their religious cloak, while the ideologue professes his moral superiority, while the media uses the power of spin, and while leftists, including Robert Gibbs and Barack Obama, employ their bully pulpit.

We defend conservatism by our very way of life: as self-reliant, taxpaying, moral citizens, and as faithful defenders of limited government and the power of the individual. We are violent inciters only insomuch as we threaten the current leftist, agenda-driven stranglehold on government. So alarming is our threat that the real inciters wasted no time in politicizing the tragic deaths of six innocent citizens, not to mention one revered congresswoman still fighting for her life. And they will waste no time in shamelessly exploiting a "crisis" at the hand of a lone psychopath to further enact gun control and squelch freedom of speech under cries of "civility."

Does the left really believe that the "rhetoric" of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox is incendiary? Do they fail to understand that the language of conservative "talk" is the echo of ordinary citizens calling for limited government and individual freedoms? Or do they silence us because we know our current leaders don't actually believe in their own limited power? Truth be told, even Jared Loughner undermines their agenda. And they know it. They know that their "transformation" of America is failing and that people like me are not afraid to say so.

My name is Betsy, and I'm a killer. They are determined to stop me before I kill again.
www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/my_name_is_betsy_im_a_killer.html

[deziloooooo]

Jan 14, 2011 14:17:39 GMT -5 rockon said:

Everyone sees things from their perspective but the more intelligent recognize that there is also an opposing perspective that should be considered. Anyone who believes there is only rights and lefts are ignoring the fact that most real good solutions are usually a result of intense debate and compromise. Thats why it is great to have righties, lefties and the in betweens having discussion in this forum.

For that you get a karma if I still have one to give

I did you got it, enjoy

[deziloooooo]

"while the pious, liberal elite get a free pass on reason and truth, while Islamists invoke their religious cloak, while the ideologue professes his moral superiority, while the media uses the power of spin, and while leftists, including Robert Gibbs and Barack Obama, employ their bully pulpit.

We defend conservatism by our very way of life: as self-reliant, taxpaying, moral citizens, and as faithful defenders of limited government and the power of the individual. We are violent inciters only insomuch as we threaten the current leftist, agenda-driven stranglehold on government. So alarming is our threat that the real inciters wasted no time in politicizing the tragic deaths of six innocent citizens, not to mention one revered congresswoman still fighting for her life. And they will waste no time in shamelessly exploiting a "crisis" at the hand of a lone psychopath to further enact gun control and squelch freedom of speech under cries of "civility."

Does the left really believe that the "rhetoric" of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox is incendiary? Do they fail to understand that the language of conservative "talk" is the echo of ordinary citizens calling for limited government and individual freedoms? Or do they silence us because we know our current leaders don't actually believe in their own limited power? Truth be told, even Jared Loughner undermines their agenda. And they know it. They know that their "transformation" of America is failing and that people like me are not afraid to say so."
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Betsy all you are is another accusing the side you don't agree with politically of what you feel that side is accusing you of...same , old, same old..as one sided as you feel the other side is in their rhetoric you are in yours , yet that you won't see or acknowledge.

Betsy darlin you got some seriouse problems in the way you feel and see things..

My blunt reaction....


and a little

[vonnie6200]

Jan 14, 2011 18:52:14 GMT -5 b2r said:

January 13, 2011
My Name is Betsy. I'm a Killer.
By Betsy M. Galliher

My name is Betsy. I'm a wife and proud soccer mom, a writer, and a small business owner. I'm also a killer.

On the morning of January 8, 2011, I intentionally entered a gathering held by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and shot her at near-point-blank range. I injured fourteen others, killing six -- among them a beautiful, curious, doe-eyed, nine-year-old girl. I didn't actually pull the trigger, but I'm as guilty as the psychopath who did.

Here are just a few of the charges against me:

I am a conservative.

On occasion, I listen to Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox News.

I've been known to pick up a book or two by conservative authors: Thomas Sowell, Andrew McCarthy, or the Founding Fathers, for example!

I believe that the federal government is too large, far too intrusive, and dangerously powerful.

I believe in personal responsibility and the amazing generosity of Americans to aid those in need rather than permanent entitlements.

I believe that the private, not the public, sector is the backbone of our economy.

I believe that our progressive tax system is punitive. We are over-taxed, over-regulated, and over-lectured.

I believe in the power of the free market to correct itself, without government (taxpayer) intervention.

I believe that the Constitution is intended to limit government and empower the individual.

I believe in holding our elected officials' feet to the fire, be they Republican or Democrat (incendiary pun intended).

I believe that our sovereignty is at risk via unsecured borders, out-of-control spending, our crippling deficit, reckless abuses of the Constitution, and the moral decay of Washington.

In short, I'm a madman. Guilty as charged, and armed with the belief in my 1st-Amendment right to peaceably question those we elect to serve.

The only person who actually pulled the trigger on that terrible, fateful day was Jared Loughner -- by every account, a deeply troubled young man. But the real guilty walk among us: senior citizens in red, white, and blue, armed with signs saying "Taxed Enough Already"; flag-wavers clinging to guns and religion; doctors; the wealthy; business owners; talk radio; and any citizen -- particularly a conservative -- who dares exercise his or her right to free speech.

We're called greedy, stupid, and racist. We're ridiculed with snide "slurpee" innuendos and called lewd and malicious names, such as "tea partiers." Ordinary citizens are maligned by their own government while the pious, liberal elite get a free pass on reason and truth, while Islamists invoke their religious cloak, while the ideologue professes his moral superiority, while the media uses the power of spin, and while leftists, including Robert Gibbs and Barack Obama, employ their bully pulpit.

We defend conservatism by our very way of life: as self-reliant, taxpaying, moral citizens, and as faithful defenders of limited government and the power of the individual. We are violent inciters only insomuch as we threaten the current leftist, agenda-driven stranglehold on government. So alarming is our threat that the real inciters wasted no time in politicizing the tragic deaths of six innocent citizens, not to mention one revered congresswoman still fighting for her life. And they will waste no time in shamelessly exploiting a "crisis" at the hand of a lone psychopath to further enact gun control and squelch freedom of speech under cries of "civility."

Does the left really believe that the "rhetoric" of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and Fox is incendiary? Do they fail to understand that the language of conservative "talk" is the echo of ordinary citizens calling for limited government and individual freedoms? Or do they silence us because we know our current leaders don't actually believe in their own limited power? Truth be told, even Jared Loughner undermines their agenda. And they know it. They know that their "transformation" of America is failing and that people like me are not afraid to say so.

My name is Betsy, and I'm a killer. They are determined to stop me before I kill again.
www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/my_name_is_betsy_im_a_killer.html

Thank you - I agree 100%

[Deleted]

I am a conservative.

I believe that the federal government is too large, far too intrusive, and dangerously powerful.

I believe in personal responsibility and the amazing generosity of Americans to aid those in need rather than permanent entitlements.

I believe that the private, not the public, sector is the backbone of our economy.

I believe that our progressive tax system is punitive. We are over-taxed, over-regulated, and over-lectured.

I believe in the power of the free market to correct itself, without government (taxpayer) intervention.

I believe that the Constitution is intended to limit government and empower the individual.

I believe in holding our elected officials' feet to the fire, be they Republican or Democrat (incendiary pun intended).

I believe that our sovereignty is at risk via unsecured borders, out-of-control spending, our crippling deficit, reckless abuses of the Constitution, and the moral decay of Washington.

Guilty as charged, and armed with the belief in my 1st-Amendment right to peaceably question those we elect to serve

That discribes me perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deziloooooo]

I am a middle to the left..I believe in...mmmmm what do i believe in?......

ok , got it.."live and let live"....'go with the flow..what happens..will happen...

[Deleted]

I guess that I should also add:

We need to get religion OUT of both government & political parties (agenda's).

&

Our government need to stop trying to legislate morality (cause it's none their business)

[lakhota]

I guess that I should also add:

We need to get religion OUT of both government & political parties (agenda's).

&

Our government need to stop trying to legislate morality (cause it's none their business)

Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=politics&action=display&thread=1558&page=2#ixzz1B4Qczint

Amen, I say! Sooo, which party is trying to legislate religion and morality?

[marjar]

Jan 14, 2011 22:17:33 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

I guess that I should also add:

We need to get religion OUT of both government & political parties (agenda's).

&

Our government need to stop trying to legislate morality (cause it's none their business)

I will agree with those two.

[deziloooooo]

So know one cares for the "live and let live...the "fo with the Flow " Leave me alone and i'll leave you alone "
"what happens will happen ?...mmmmmm back to the drawing board I guess.

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Jan 14, 2011 22:15:26 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

I am a middle to the left..I believe in...mmmmm what do i believe in?......

ok , got it.."live and let live"....'go with the flow..what happens..will happen...

Deziloooo, your description has nothing to do with middle to the left.
It almost describes a Libertarian

[deziloooooo]

illusions

[Value Buy]

Jan 15, 2011 2:43:05 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

illusions

Okay, bit, whose illusion?

[deziloooooo]

Mine.