Sweet Home Alabama!

[Value Buy]

I think they got it right!
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44713323/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

[Value Buy]

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Police in Alabama are getting ready to enforce what is considered by many as the toughest immigration law in the United States.

Beginning Thursday, authorities can question people suspected of being in the country illegally and hold them without bond, and officials can check the immigration status of students in public schools, Gov. Robert Bentley said.

Those two key aspects of Alabama's new law were upheld by a federal judge on Wednesday.

The governor said parts of the law take effect immediately.

.."Today Judge Blackburn upheld the majority of our law," Gov. Robert Bentley said in a brief statement he delivered outside the State Capitol in Montgomery, The New York Times reported. "With those parts that were upheld, we have the strongest immigration law in the country."

However, he also said that the law "was never de­signed to hurt fellow human beings," according to the Montgomery Advertiser. "As a physician, I would never ask a sick per­son if she was legal or illegal. But as governor of this state, it is my sworn duty to uphold this state's laws, and that is what I intend to do," Bentley said.

[Bluerobin]

Good! Hopefully, other states will follow.

[reformeddaytrader]

Sept 30, 2011 6:59:37 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

Good! Hopefully, other states will follow.

California will NOT follow Alabama as long as we have a Liberal Governor and legislature controlled by Liberals in Sacramento and a powerful Hispanic Lobby who exerts a lot of power in this state. California is sometimes refered to as Mexico North..

[Bluerobin]

RDT, we should just give CA back to Mexico and move all the illegals there. Who really cares what the wacko state does? If enough states follow Alabama, we just might get immigration control and deport some of the illegal bastards.

[reformeddaytrader]

Sept 30, 2011 7:18:17 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

RDT, we should just give CA back to Mexico and move all the illegals there. Who really cares what the wacko state does? If enough states follow Alabama, we just might get immigration control and deport some of the illegal bastards.

Many Californians care what the state does with illegal immigrants and this is one of many so called "Hot Button" issues out here.

Especially now in the fall and winter seasons where illegals from other states i.e., Alabama will flock to California to enjoy both the warm weather and hospitality from our state government.

Also the illegal immigrant issue has added to the prison overcrowding and public schools where less than 3/4 of the students graduate. Many have argued these disparities already exist without the illegal immigrant issue. So your question does anyone care what California is doing with the illegal immigration issues? Yes they do because the state has to decide to either keep or deport the illegals who are felons because there is no where to put them...Los Angeles County has been trying to reduce its jail population which has the Justice System very concerned

[Bluerobin]

RDT, the illegals have overwhelmed all the states. CA is not the example any state should follow. I have always viewed them as the poster boy for dysfunctional states.

[formerroomate99]

Didn't Georgia try something similar and it was overturned?

[Don Perignon]

Failure to produce "papers" will result in being taken into custody and being sequestered at a "facility" designed to segregate "foreigners" from the general population.
Operations expenses for the "facilities" can be subsidized by requiring the "detainees" to supply labor.
Those who refuse to work can be allowed to starve...

It all sounds familiar... a traditional, time-honored Solution to the problem of "pesky foreigners".

[sesfw]

Failure to produce "papers" .......... hmmmm, I have ID papers with me each time I leave the house. Called a Drivers License.

Those who refuse to work can be allowed to starve... .........I've always felt that each of us to our ability should contribute to society. I wouldn't really allow someone to starve, but I would offer a meal to them of the green bologna that has been served at tent city here in Phx.

Good for Alabama.

[ugonow]

I think this approach is more effective than a fence. Cut off the incentive... No jobs, domestic help or otherwise..no free schooling, no free education, no free healthcare... I wish some of the border states would adopt this approach.

[weltschmerz]

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB) agency suggests erecting fences along parts of the Canadian-U.S. border might be one way to keep terrorists and criminals out in future, reports the Canadian Press.

"Selective fencing" is one of the various security-enhancement options proposed in a draft report by the agency that was released two weeks ago. Other suggestions in the report include upgrading border-patrol checkpoints and using technology like cameras, radars and scanners to beef up security.

-cbc news



Sure, The NORTHERN border is the problem.

[Value Buy]

Sept 30, 2011 19:38:44 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB) agency suggests erecting fences along parts of the Canadian-U.S. border might be one way to keep terrorists and criminals out in future, reports the Canadian Press.

"Selective fencing" is one of the various security-enhancement options proposed in a draft report by the agency that was released two weeks ago. Other suggestions in the report include upgrading border-patrol checkpoints and using technology like cameras, radars and scanners to beef up security.

-cbc news



Sure, The NORTHERN border is the problem.

Weltz, a few years ago our family flew out to Glacier National Park for a week's vacation. Had a rental car for touring.
Going on some of the less traveled roads in Glacier Park, one turned to gravel.
Eventually we reached a sign. It said "Leaving Glacier National Park".
The next sign?
You are now entering Canada.
I am serious. We left the park, and we were in Canada.
No gate. No customs. No nothing.
My wife had me turn around after a half mile or so, and re-enter the park.
In truth, I do not know where the road led to, but it made us wonder just how secure our border actually was.

[henryclay]

Kudos to Alabama is not enough. They have some of the best vacation spots in the country in Alabama. . . hint hint.

Somebody mentioned drugs coming across the border from Mexico. I saw something on TV last night that the cruelty of it turned my stomach. I hope the people at the check points are turning animals over and inspecting their bellies. Drug smugglers are cutting them open and inserting sacks of drugs and letting them heal, then sending them across the border. They didn't SAY what shape the animals were in when, how the drugs are removed, or what happens to the animals after that, but we can all guess at the tender loving care they DON'T get.

[Bluerobin]

I saw an interesting article in the paper today to the effect that illegals are leaving already. Seems like they kept their kids out of school in droves on Friday. Could it be the requirement that schools verify immigration status? This sounds like a great law. It was an AP article if you want to look. I am not linking my local paper on here.

[reformeddaytrader]

Sweet Home Alabama!


And as expected Latinos students are now vanishing from Alabama public schools in the wake of this court ruling that upheld the tough new law cracking down on illegal immigrtion that was costing Alabama megabucks..

But have no fear the Obama Administration just filed a law suit to appeal the ruling that upheld the law in Alabama

[pappyjohn99]

Law enforcement is a beautiful thing.

news.yahoo.com/hispanic-students-vanish-alabama-schools-184555038.html

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Beginning Thursday, authorities can question people suspected of being in the country illegally and hold them without bond, and officials can check the immigration status of students in public schools, Gov. Robert Bentley said.

And that will stand until the Federal government gets into it. ACLU & the Supreme Court will be the end of it. Just look at Arizona. It looks like it will end up that only the Federal government & crooks will have rights in this country.

[billisonboard]

Oct 1, 2011 0:02:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

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Weltz, a few years ago our family flew out to Glacier National Park for a week's vacation. Had a rental car for touring.
Going on some of the less traveled roads in Glacier Park, one turned to gravel.
Eventually we reached a sign. It said "Leaving Glacier National Park".
The next sign?
You are now entering Canada.
I am serious. We left the park, and we were in Canada.
No gate. No customs. No nothing.
My wife had me turn around after a half mile or so, and re-enter the park.
In truth, I do not know where the road led to, but it made us wonder just how secure our border actually was.
[/quote]

5 - 6 years ago, I hiked the Pacific Crest Trail into Canada. Faxed some paperwork to a Canadian phone number and got it back with a signature on it. Assumed it official. ;D
Hike it sometime and then tell us how we are going to "secure" that area.

[henryclay]

And that will stand until the Federal government gets into it.

And the precedent is already set. Not only in the Arizona case, but the 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals recently went so far as to say Virginia could not defend its own laws. It seems I recall several books saying something about a war with a government that turned it's back on the people it governed?

The interesting thing about the Fourth Circuit’s ruling , , , , is that they did not even address the merits of the case or rule on the constitutionality of the individual mandate. Rather, the court dismissed the challenge by claiming that states do not have standing to bring such a lawsuit, stating that states are not supposed to be “roving constitutional watchdogs.”

virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/fourth-circuit-court-of-appeals-rules-against-obamacare-challenge/

[Bluerobin]

It is time to ignore the Obama administration, the federal courts and the ACLU as far as rights go for Illegals. The feds failed to act, so Alabama did. Screw Obama.

Time to talk seriously about secession when the feds won't listen to the people or even enforce their own laws.

[pappyjohn99]

<<Time to talk seriously about secession when the feds won't listen to the people or even enforce their own laws.>>

Why Mr. bluerobin, you sound ready to join us at a tea party.

[Bluerobin]

Pappy, I am ready to secede, but I think the tp is a bunch of wackjobs. They want to screw everyone. I just want a government that represents the will of the people.

[swamp]

Oct 1, 2011 0:02:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 30, 2011 19:38:44 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

The U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CPB) agency suggests erecting fences along parts of the Canadian-U.S. border might be one way to keep terrorists and criminals out in future, reports the Canadian Press.

"Selective fencing" is one of the various security-enhancement options proposed in a draft report by the agency that was released two weeks ago. Other suggestions in the report include upgrading border-patrol checkpoints and using technology like cameras, radars and scanners to beef up security.

-cbc news



Sure, The NORTHERN border is the problem.

Weltz, a few years ago our family flew out to Glacier National Park for a week's vacation. Had a rental car for touring.
Going on some of the less traveled roads in Glacier Park, one turned to gravel.
Eventually we reached a sign. It said "Leaving Glacier National Park".
The next sign?
You are now entering Canada.
I am serious. We left the park, and we were in Canada.
No gate. No customs. No nothing.
My wife had me turn around after a half mile or so, and re-enter the park.
In truth, I do not know where the road led to, but it made us wonder just how secure our border actually was.

It's not. Check out what goes on at the Akwesasne Mohawk Reservation in upstate NY. It straddles NY, Ontario, and Quebec.

[pappyjohn99]

Blue, it's a shame that you think so little of us. Indeed, there are a few people that are out there. But aren't there some of those in any group? For the most part, we are reasonable people that only want a government that responds to the will of the governed.

[Bluerobin]

Pappy, from what I see on these boards, they are all a bunch of pups who don't want to honor their obligations and don't want to address problems. Whining wimps. The tp is NOT a party - just a faction of the pub party with a few dems thrown in for flavoring. Unless they actually form a party, they will never be anything much more than a bunch of misfits.
The pub party made a mistake of trying to appease 15% of the populace, and now they are trying to figure how to back track, so they don't give every seat to the dems in 2012.

[Deleted]

Time to talk seriously about secession when the feds won't listen to the people or even enforce their own laws.

Pappy, I am ready to secede, but I think the tp is a bunch of wackjobs. They want to screw everyone. I just want a government that represents the will of the people.

Bluerobin interesting point. Now I realize that you think that the Tea Party is a bunch of wackjobs but did you ever consider that it is also made up by people that want to push "the will of the people"? My guess (just a guess) is that because the TP is still small a lot more people (percentage wise) are joining it than both the Republican Party & Democratic Party combined. I have to admit that I see nothing wrong with most of their agenda although I know very little about it. Even the stuff that I have heard that I do object to, I like better than the liberal part of the democratic party.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2011 14:30:09 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Time to talk seriously about secession when the feds won't listen to the people or even enforce their own laws.

Pappy, I am ready to secede, but I think the tp is a bunch of wackjobs. They want to screw everyone. I just want a government that represents the will of the people.

Bluerobin interesting point. Now I realize that you think that the Tea Party is a bunch of wackjobs but did you ever consider that it is also made up by people that want to push "the will of the people"? My guess (just a guess) is that because the TP is still small a lot more people (percentage wise) are joining it than both the Republican Party & Democratic Party combined. I have to admit that I see nothing wrong with most of their agenda although I know very little about it. Even the stuff that I have heard that I do object to, I like better than the liberal part of the democratic party.

If the Tea Party is still small as you say, how can they be pushing "the will of the people"? What people ? Don't you mean the will of the Tea Party people?

While polls are only as good as the paper they are printed on, here are a couple of CNN links and their most recent polls about the Tea Party:

m.rollingstone.com/?redirurl=/politics/blogs/taibblog/dislike-of-tea-party-is-key-to-2012-vote-20110928

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/15/new-cnn-poll-gop-divided-over-tea-party-movement/

[djAdvocate]

Sept 30, 2011 7:18:17 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

RDT, we should just give CA back to Mexico and move all the illegals there. Who really cares what the wacko state does?

you will, when 1/9th of your economy is given away.

please get serious once in a while. you need us.

[Tennesseer]

If the Bowie County (TX) Patriots Tea Party members are representative of all Tea Party people, then God protect the rest of us from them (no pun intended):

Where the Tea Party Runs Strong

They call the city Texarkana because the Texas-Arkansas state line runs right through the middle of town. So there are two of everything--two city halls, two mayors, two police and fire departments. The politics are pretty much the same on both sides of the line, though: the Tea Party runs strong here. "We have such great opportunities to affect the way government operates because we have so much government here," says Jeff Akin, a radio talk-show host who helped found the Bowie County Patriots a few years ago. "Our goal is to elect conservative Christians to office."

www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2094373,00.html#ixzz1ZZD9OlNF

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