Tosh
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 8:18:44 GMT -5
I see we have a new contributor to our thread, excellent stuff, nothing better than a fresh pair of eyes.
It is but one of the many theories up for debate, if you have one of your own then please enlighten us with it.
Are you supposed to insult the very posters you have been appointed to administer ? I object in withering terms to your accusation of idleness, please retract it or I will report you.
Your little diatribe is an enlightening example of an endless recycled theory of death denial.
The defense rests and celebrates.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 3, 2011 8:22:14 GMT -5
Sharina states ,"I understand, at least I think I do, the point you are making. You claim that my taking care of the mother cat throughout her life has taught her how to take care of her kittens. Some part of my nurturing has transferred to the cat." No where in this statement of mine do I refer to you transferring anything to you cat other than giving it food and water. I do state how caring your relationship is with your mother. Maybe there is where the confusion lies?
Post the whole statement not just what you think i said.
"Second comparing lions to kittens if far from reasonable. Take away all your time and effort in CARING AND NURTURING the cats and kittens and you have feral animals. Example and God forbid. You have a heart attack while driving down the road. you're cats are left to fend for themselves. Since you no longer can care for the mother cat ( feed and water ) her, her milk dries up and the kittens die. She is starving because you are gone to who knows where. That mother cat will eat her young. Its obvious you come from a loving and very nurturing family. My respects to your mother for raising such a compassionate and loving daughter. Entrusting her with a kitten of her own. IF , As a very young child had you seen her put them in a burlap bag and tossed them into a river , you might see them in a different light? Environment plays a key role in human development. The love and nurturing you have for these kittens shows that your mother has taught you to be so. My respect to you both."
Implying only that your mother has taught you to be compassionate and caring for your pets. Your misrepresentation of fact continues.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 8:24:29 GMT -5
Scottish Lassie,
Neither his raison d'etre nor his position entitles him to accuse me and other lovely lovely atheists of idleness.
I ask.....nay demand you force your colleague to retract this slander or I will be contacting my lawyer Otis B Driftwood.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 8:32:07 GMT -5
It was closed because I am gay and was " outed " by some beer swilling chap whose name escapes me.
I loved that bar, it was like a second home to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 8:32:57 GMT -5
Wait til Otis sees us! He loves us!!
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Post by Shirina on Nov 3, 2011 8:33:55 GMT -5
Tsk, tsk, I did not "misrepresent" the facts. I may have confused them, but I did not misrepresent them. I split this hair only because "misrepresentation" has a negative connotation to it; the term implies a deliberate act. I certainly hope you do not believe I am doing so on purpose. It did appear to me, genuinely, that you thought cats could learn nurturing from humans and without me around, mother cat would go feral and eat her young. Simply an honest mistake. Now, off with me to the daily grind. Don't miss me too much while I'm gone. I'm quite convinced most people in this thread will not only not miss me, but perhaps breathe a sigh of relief?
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 9:09:25 GMT -5
Good afternoon Jarhead, time for some reflection and reconciliation.
My position is this, love is an adaptive trait of the genetic instinct to nurture and you claim nurture is a learned behavior.
You wish me to prove nurture is genetic and I have provided observations with social mammals and others have provided some genetic experiments that may confirm these observations.
Let me put it to you this way, if the physical behavior of nurturing is learned then who taught the first parents ? I assume you were being flippant when you said it was God.
You also have failed to explain why we have observed other caring emotions such as sympathy, altruism, reciprocation and grief in primates. I find it difficult to assume chimps and gorillas learn to care about other chimps.
The evolutionary advantages for caring in social mammals is obvious, they need it to reproduce and to survive, caring is beneficial to ones well being. It does not take an enormous leap to adapt this caring instinct in a fully conscious and aware mind.
In my opinion our consciousness simply makes us aware of our instincts and feelings, we do not learn them, we expand upon them. A human mother does not learn to love, care and emotionally nurture her child, it is natural or instinctive, if it is instinctive then it is genetic.
It is a hypothesis open for discussion, I am not claiming it to be a scientific fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 9:12:56 GMT -5
Indeed you may freely stand and proclaim atheism to the masses, Ms. Shirina. I shan't visit again until the thread hits 200 pages... at which point we may need to convert it into a "Tosh & Friends" board to avoid integer overflow problems with the post count. Until then, I retreat to my sanctum of existential terror. Namaste. Awesome, I'm already planning what to wear for page 200. Namaste dude.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 9:19:11 GMT -5
Shirina, I am not some cult leader surrounded by female acolytes, I created nothing but this thread and it is not my fault that my shining personality brightens up everyones day. I am here to discuss God, morality, mortality, the supernatural and the nature of our existence. This thread is not about me......well certainly not all about me.
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Post by jemima on Nov 3, 2011 9:19:53 GMT -5
Isn't it so easy just to conduct a bitter poll?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 9:24:49 GMT -5
Personality is a frequently cited example of a heritable trait that has been studied in twins and adoptions. Identical twins reared apart are far more similar in personality than randomly selected pairs of people, doesn't this prove we are born with an innate knowledge of who we are?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 9:25:13 GMT -5
Isn't it so easy just to conduct a bitter poll? Wait, don't bother. No one cares.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 9:26:33 GMT -5
Shirina,
Instinctive feelings and behaviors must be genetic, there is no ghost in the machine instructing us to feel and react.
Darwin himself suspected that it was not just our physical characteristics that had evolved from primates but also our psychological traits.
He knew nothing about DNA, genetics or neuroscience, it was based on observations and deductive logic.
He believed it was just a question of quantity, we have more because our consciousness has heightened our awareness of our instincts.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 9:28:59 GMT -5
The result may be a bitter pill to swallow. Ouch....sorry about the lame attempt at humour.
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 3, 2011 9:45:50 GMT -5
GM, Tosh!
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 9:52:38 GMT -5
Afternoon FF,
;D
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 10:02:52 GMT -5
The more we investigate genes the more we begin to understand ourselves, it appears we inherit much of what we are.
There is an argument that abused children become child abusers because of their experiences, alternatively it could be argued that they inherited the same child abuse traits from a parent, or a bit of both.
Nature-nurture is a complex argument.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 10:08:02 GMT -5
I am having a quiet snicker to myself, do you know it takes nearly an hour to check back almost 3000 posts ? Happy days. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 10:11:29 GMT -5
I guess he missed your post about carving pumpkins with the kids and your lovely GF.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 10:17:04 GMT -5
I went to EE looking for Tosh’s Café, but they won’t let me in. For a café you would think it would be doing brisk morning business, and it is closed. No business sense there. Maybe it is one of those smoky after hours places for people with insomnia, frenetic minds and a taste for one more…for the road.
Be careful of Virgil, he has magical dragon powers. But, I do take his point that after all these words, not much of anything has been resolved and round and round we go. But a resolution on the existence of god is a tall order, even for an esteemed message board.
I always thought that message boards were places to gently poke fun at and aggravate others, to let people know what you are having for lunch and for them to tell you what they did on the weekend, and of course, to post tunes, with a side order of flirting. Or maybe I’ve got it all wrong.
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 3, 2011 10:20:28 GMT -5
I agree Robert. Whatever happened to light hearted convo? Oh well...Like you said...Round and round it goes.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 10:25:22 GMT -5
You have to admire obsessive commitment, regardless of the cause.
The human mind is extremely susceptible to hallucination, illusion, delusion and bias, it is the reason the scientific method and deductive logic are the main instruments in establishing what exists.
Subjective personal experiences are very very unreliable.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 10:29:24 GMT -5
It was closed because an evil man threw tobacco in the Macaque-Rhesus's eyes..... .....and it died.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 10:30:55 GMT -5
If that's the case I don't think it was just tobacco.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 3, 2011 10:32:30 GMT -5
This question should be best addressed to the person not interested in light hearted convo, we were all having great fun.....until the rain came.
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 3, 2011 10:33:35 GMT -5
Ahhhh give Rick a break. He's a good guy. I would say both parties got pretty fired up. I tried to come in with my whip and calm you 2 down but it was as if I were invisible.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Nov 3, 2011 10:33:59 GMT -5
Good avatar, Beer! ;D
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Nov 3, 2011 10:34:44 GMT -5
This question should be best addressed to the person not interested in light hearted convo, we were all having great fun.....until the rain came. Oh, just go dance in the rain.
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Post by femmefatale on Nov 3, 2011 10:35:31 GMT -5
Yes. I enjoyed seeing that side of you and your humor. One can have a passionate, rousing verbal joust and still enjoy and appreciate one another. Snerds is right, Tosh. You had me laughing yesterday. Who would have thought you had such humor?? Loved the story of you in the bee suit, but the mental image was what was cracking me up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 10:35:32 GMT -5
Thanks, Sunshine!
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