Dems, Media Blame Tea Party, Palin for Shooting; S

[Deleted]

"this act had nothing to do with politics"

Yeah... he was just headed to the grocery and there just happened to be a political rally going on at the moment ?...

The issue i see is how an obviously mentally ill person was able to legal purchase a semi-automatic handgun... There is a disconnect/gap there which needs to be addressed, i feel...

Palin is an idiot. While i have not viewed any evidence that the shooter specifically targetted Gifford due to Palin's rhetoric, the fact remains that when you put your opponents in crosshairs and suggest people lock and load, at the very least, if something happens to one of them, people will remember it...

[ChiTownVenture]

The question is whether or not the accused was pushed over the edge by the hyper partisanship rhetoric?

Without the gunmen actually stating that is the cause we will not know for sure. But the feds are putting together a case that this was indeed a planned assault (not just a guy with a gun in public).

He purchased the gun previously, and went to two Walmart stores the morning of to purchase bullets. He had a letter from Gifford and a note of planned assassinations in his safe at home.

Once we see all the details of the Federal case we will have a better idea.

I like to make the analogy of watching a boxing match, you can get so heated and caught up in the match that you actually physically tense up and your body naturally reacts. Sane people are able to keep that under control, other people don't have that ability.

[floridayankee]

Jan 11, 2011 9:26:38 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

The question is whether or not the accused was pushed over the edge by the hyper partisanship rhetoric?

IMHO, it's not even a question. Look at all the partisanship and trash talk in the world of sports....yet the fans do not start firing rounds when the opposition is heading for the end-zone for the winning touchdown. I'm not buying it.

This is how they act in third world countries....assinate a political leader that you may disagree with.

BS.

Violence such as this should be the one thing that both sides of the political aisle would come together and denounce but, I guess that's too much for the progressives on the far left. It seems they'd rather make the gunman the victim just to demonize the opposition.

According to the liberal media pundits, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, and Bill Maher, they say YES and point the finger at Sarah Palin and Fox News.

Turn the channel. The point and blame politics of the progressive left will be their undoing. At this point, anybody willing to blame this on anybody other than the gunman has absolutely no credibility IMHO.

[ChiTownVenture]

yet the fans do not start firing rounds when the opposition is heading for the end-zone for the winning touchdown. I'm not buying it.

Google sporting event riots and see the effect that sporting events have on fans.

[floridayankee]

Jan 11, 2011 10:33:31 GMT -5 ChiTownVenture said:

yet the fans do not start firing rounds when the opposition is heading for the end-zone for the winning touchdown. I'm not buying it.

Google sporting event riots and see the effect that sporting events have on fans.

riots and (literally) taking out the opposition are two separate issues.

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2011 10:53:55 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jan 11, 2011 10:33:31 GMT -5 ChiTownVenture said:

Google sporting event riots and see the effect that sporting events have on fans.

riots and (literally) taking out the opposition are two separate issues.

Maybe it is because the coaches on the other team aren't telling their fans to do so?

[privateinvestor]

Jan 11, 2011 10:26:35 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jan 11, 2011 9:26:38 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

The question is whether or not the accused was pushed over the edge by the hyper partisanship rhetoric?

IMHO, it's not even a question. Look at all the partisanship and trash talk in the world of sports....yet the fans do not start firing rounds when the opposition is heading for the end-zone for the winning touchdown. I'm not buying it.

This is how they act in third world countries....assinate a political leader that you may disagree with.

BS.

Violence such as this should be the one thing that both sides of the political aisle would come together and denounce but, I guess that's too much for the progressives on the far left. It seems they'd rather make the gunman the victim just to demonize the opposition.

According to the liberal media pundits, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, and Bill Maher, they say YES and point the finger at Sarah Palin and Fox News.

Turn the channel. The point and blame politics of the progressive left will be their undoing. At this point, anybody willing to blame this on anybody other than the gunman has absolutely no credibility IMHO.

Will turning the channel make any difference?? Front line news today says the right wing hate speech is responsible for the tragedy in Tuscon. Sarah Palin is now in the cross hairs ....

[floridayankee]

Jan 11, 2011 11:09:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jan 11, 2011 10:53:55 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

riots and (literally) taking out the opposition are two separate issues.

Maybe it is because the coaches on the other team aren't telling their fans to do so?

Playing the drama card again?

Ok Bills, I'll bite...please link me a quote from any recent US political leader on either side are telling their constituents to assinate the opposition.

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2011 11:27:38 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jan 11, 2011 11:09:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Maybe it is because the coaches on the other team aren't telling their fans to do so?

Playing the drama card again?

Ok Bills, I'll bite...please link me a quote from any recent US political leader on either side are telling their constituents to assinate the opposition.

Nah. I will go the other way:

"They are a great team and have our utmost respect" Said by just about every coach before a big game.

[floridayankee]

Jan 11, 2011 11:21:18 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Will turning the channel make any difference?? Front line news today says the right wing hate speech is responsible for the tragedy in Tuscon. Sarah Palin is now in the cross hairs ....

And the divide and conquer continues...full speed ahead.

Honestly...who gives a crap what front line says? There's no political drama on Discovery...History channel...the Military channel...Smithsonian channel...

This right-winger sends nothing but his condolences to all effected by this one nut-job.

[privateinvestor]

Jan 11, 2011 11:32:40 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jan 11, 2011 11:21:18 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Will turning the channel make any difference?? Front line news today says the right wing hate speech is responsible for the tragedy in Tuscon. Sarah Palin is now in the cross hairs ....

And the divide and conquer continues...full speed ahead.

Honestly...who gives a crap what front line says? There's no political drama on Discovery...History channel...the Military channel...Smithsonian channel...

This right-winger sends nothing but his condolences to all effected by this one nut-job.

This is just conjecture on my part but I think when the "Shooter" goes on trial you can bet a months pay that his defense will be insanity egged on by extreme right wing rhetoric...and may just bring Sarah Palin, and Glen Beck's name into the trial....so watch and see if I am right or not??

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jan 11, 2011 9:45:49 GMT -5 oped said:

"this act had nothing to do with politics"

Yeah... he was just headed to the grocery and there just happened to be a political rally going on at the moment ?...

The issue i see is how an obviously mentally ill person was able to legal purchase a semi-automatic handgun... There is a disconnect/gap there which needs to be addressed, i feel...

Palin is an idiot. While i have not viewed any evidence that the shooter specifically targetted Gifford due to Palin's rhetoric, the fact remains that when you put your opponents in crosshairs and suggest people lock and load, at the very least, if something happens to one of them, people will remember it...

I highly doubt Palin is cheering for what this man did...I don't really have any feelings for the lady one way or another, but you attack is just more political BS.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jan 11, 2011 9:26:38 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

The question is whether or not the accused was pushed over the edge by the hyper partisanship rhetoric? According to the liberal media pundits, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, and Bill Maher, they say YES and point the finger at Sarah Palin and Fox News.. However when asked if these liberals have any proof of their claim they stated there is a link with the Palin's cross hairs campaign ads and the vitriol by Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly on Fox but that link has not been pr oven yet by anyone who is investigating this case. So maybe the liberals have some inside information of they are just looking for a scapegoats again..

Chris Matthews has passionately tried to make the case yesterday that members of the Tea Party have attended Obama rallies while armed and he blames them for much of the hate speech we see today. But there is no evidence that Loughner belonged to the Tea Party or ever attended their meetings but why let that influence Matthews?

Paul Krugman wrote another hit piece and blames Sarah Palin and Olberman used Krugman's blog as proof of his claim it is all Sarah Paling's fault and she bears responsibility for this tragedy... Unfortunately many of the liberals believe this nonsense as evidenced by comments on this thread

And these type of people are most likely the type of people that secretly hope something like this happens so that they can push their own warped political hatred and views. I wonder how many violent felons, who end up killing somebody, are more liberal or conservative in their political ideologies...the answer is that it doesn't matter because ultimately the person who commits the crime is responsible.

If somebody steals from a person and ends up killing them, but then says they did it because they believe that the wealth should be spread around more...it would be moronic for somebody to try and blame "liberal rhetoric." The truth is that the person did it for selfish reasons. This guy may try to justify what he did, but it doesn't take away the fact that he had his own personal reasons for doing what he did, and trying to blame anybody else is pure crap.

[commentator]

As I have said several times and as anyone rational will recognize, the climate of hate, the advocacy of violence, and the deliberate attempts to foster fear and loathing of government engaged in by members of the Tea Party and by leaders and supporters of the Republican Party have all acted to increase the liklihood of incidents like the one Saturday in Tucson.

Rant and rave all you want about how you and you're nasty, dishonest rhetoric are being "targeted." That changes nothing.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jan 11, 2011 12:48:56 GMT -5 @commentator said:

As I have said several times and as anyone rational will recognize, the climate of hate, the advocacy of violence, and the deliberate attempts to foster fear and loathing of government engaged in by members of the Tea Party and by leaders and supporters of the Republican Party have all acted to increase the liklihood of incidents like the one Saturday in Tucson.

Rant and rave all you want about how you and you're nasty, dishonest rhetoric are being "targeted." That changes nothing.

Interesting to hear all the hateful comments coming from the left....it's really sad that you use something like this for a political attack of anybody who disagrees with you.

[mmhmm]

Oddly enough, as a moderate, I seem to be seeing hateful comments coming from both "sides". Funny, that.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jan 11, 2011 13:01:34 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Oddly enough, as a moderate, I seem to be seeing hateful comments coming from both "sides". Funny, that.

I haven't seen the news much the last few days, just this thread and most people seem to consider themselves to be moderate.

[EveryWhichWay]

I don't know how some can say this didn't have anything to do with politics. Didn't he have in his safe a letter from this congresswoman? Didn't he go to a previous rally? Then the ramblings about money and the government having mind control? I would say that yes politics did play a role in his decision. I'm not saying that politics are to blame, he did this no matter what his motive; but to say politics didn't play a role is not looking at the whole picture.

[rockon]

Many people are angry at our state of politics and some choose to express that anger in ways that are violent. Both sides have been talking smack and telling lies for years about each other but this in itself seems highly unlikely to be the motivation behind this individuals actions. What is much more likely is that eventually there will be an organized uprising that could become violent and it will be because of the way our elected officials are conducting business in Washington. If any person from either party or any elected official is concerned about this possibility then they should reform how business is done so this perception or belief that our government is corrupt can be fixed. The latest example is Tom DeLay. He should be held to an even higher level of accountability since he is a public servant. Treat the real problem and the other issues will go away.

[commentator]

Jan 11, 2011 12:55:40 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Jan 11, 2011 12:48:56 GMT -5 @commentator said:

As I have said several times and as anyone rational will recognize, the climate of hate, the advocacy of violence, and the deliberate attempts to foster fear and loathing of government engaged in by members of the Tea Party and by leaders and supporters of the Republican Party have all acted to increase the liklihood of incidents like the one Saturday in Tucson.

Rant and rave all you want about how you and you're nasty, dishonest rhetoric are being "targeted." That changes nothing.

Interesting to hear all the hateful comments coming from the left....it's really sad that you use something like this for a political attack of anybody who disagrees with you.

What hypocrisy. What dishonesty. All the right wingnuts on this board have ever done has been to preach violence and hate directed at anyone to the left of Atilla the Hun. We've been called traitors, we've had the hope expressed that terrorists attack our home towns, we've had murder of our political leaders be advocated.

Spew your lies about those you disagree with to someone who doesn't know the truth about your sort.

[privateinvestor]

everywhichway.....you stole my avatar....but that is ok now you may get my Karma ..or you may get accidently banned for one if my posts

[Tennesseer]

Politics indirectly had to have had a part in the shooting-his intended target was after all a political figure. The shooter didn't go after a sports star, entertainer or randomly decide to shoot the shoppers at Safeway.

Gavrilo Princip, didn't shoot a peasant and contribute to the beginnings of WWI-he assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo, Bosnia.

[commentator]

Jan 11, 2011 13:14:35 GMT -5 rockon said:

... What is much more likely is that eventually there will be an organized uprising that could become violent and it will be because of the way our elected officials are conducting business in Washington. ...

That's right. Keep it up. Attack the government because you don't like what it does and you can't win an election to change it.

Edited to make the correct point.

[EveryWhichWay]

P.I., if it was yours it shouldn't have been there for the taking.

[burnsattornincan]

Who won the last election? Anyway, it does not matter who wins what now. The damage has been done and there is no way out of it. A currency collapse is imminent and anyone caught with too much USD will be out of luck. The best bet is to beef up your portfolio with commodities and of course maintain protection with ample firearms and ammunition. When it comes, it will come quick with little to no warning.

[rockon]

Commentator, No intention of attacking the government. Just stating an opinion and stating a fact that seems obvious. When government officials continue to get caught cheating, lying and otherwise obstructing the truth there will be an element of distrust and hate built up between the them and the citizens who is paying for their "play" and who have to live by a very different set of rules. I'm also quite certain history can tell you what happens as a result.

[floridayankee]

Nah. I will go the other way:

Chicken

"They are a great team and have our utmost respect" Said by just about every coach before a big game.

You forgot to finish....
"....now go out there and mop the field with 'em."

And I'm being nice about the "ending" there.

This is just conjecture on my part but I think when the "Shooter" goes on trial you can bet a months pay that his defense will be insanity egged on by extreme right wing rhetoric...and may just bring Sarah Palin, and Glen Beck's name into the trial....so watch and see if I am right or not??

You could be right....wouldn't surprise me. He'll likely have a public defender and that is the easiest defense to toss up to see if it sticks.

[ChiTownVenture]

Yet the fans do not start firing rounds when the opposition is heading for the end-zone for the winning touchdown. I'm not buying it.

Maybe not rounds but they are definitely fighting.

But the trash talk turned bloody outside Olney High School Thursday afternoon after sour fans of Olney's boys' basketball team attacked the victorious Frankford players and coach in the parking lot after the game.

"When we came out as a team [to board the bus home], it was crazy. One of our [adult] fans got jumped right away; he got beat up pretty bad," Frankford coach Ben Dubin said. "Everywhere you looked, there were fights going on, six to eight at a time. I got hit three times, [including] once to the face, but they didn't catch me flush."

Player Omar Askia was hit so hard in the face his eye swelled shut, Dubin said. Player Harold Hicks went home with a bloody mouth after catching a sucker-punch, Dubin said. Olney fans even appeared to be fighting each other, he added.

www.allbusiness.com/education-training/extra-curricular-activities-school/13703706-1.html

[commentator]

Jan 11, 2011 13:29:37 GMT -5 rockon said:

Commentator, No intention of attacking the government. Just stating an opinion and stating a fact that seems obvious. When government officials continue to get caught cheating, lying and otherwise obstructing the truth there will be an element of distrust and hate built up between the them and the citizens who is paying for their "play" and who have to live by a very different set of rules. I'm also quite certain history can tell you what happens as a result.

Let me state a fact that seems obvious. There are people who lie about members of government, their motivation, and the likely outcome of the policies they favor. A recent, egregious example has been the ongoing dishonest campaign against the recently enacted health care legislation. When someone then shoots a member of that government, the liars continue to lie by claiming they have done nothing wrong.

[b2r]

Peyton Manning Targeted for Assassination?

January 10, 2011 11:37 A.M. By Rich Lowry
This was the cover of the New York Post on Saturday:



www.nationalreview.com/corner/256752/peyton-manning-targeted-assassination-rich-lowry