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Post by maui1 on Aug 31, 2011 9:40:53 GMT -5
what if..........
our gov't wants total american public dependency, and their way to do that is to take all wealth away from each american.
so they......pay nothing on savings, forcing everyone to buy stock to get any return on their savings, but all the while, the gov't knows that they will slowly bleed all the wealth from the stock market over periods of time, thus making each american, even more dependent on the gov't for everyday life in america.
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Post by maui1 on Aug 31, 2011 10:52:02 GMT -5
xyz- read your post again.......and everything you suppose.........did in fact happen......except for the sun issue of course, but who knows.......what tomorrow brings.
and yes.........maybe people should be thinking revolution.......if that is what it takes to get this country back to being the usa again.
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Post by kman on Aug 31, 2011 11:40:19 GMT -5
Not so fast wxyz! I hope this time the uniforms will be a little less uh..well. I mean comon. When does it become a good idea to put a powdered wig on...Look in the mirror and say ...Perfect...just the look I was going for.  |
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Post by kman on Aug 31, 2011 11:46:40 GMT -5
It's reversible!
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Post by maui1 on Aug 31, 2011 12:10:29 GMT -5
I am not going to invest real dollars based on fantasy internet conspiracy bull shit.
but being prepared should not be viewed as a weakness......it is a strength....at least our forefathers thought so, but playing 'following the gov't leader' today, has been so ingrained in our society, that any thinking outside the norm set for us by our gov't, is laughed at......until it happens!
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Aug 31, 2011 12:42:43 GMT -5
...that any thinking outside the norm set for us by our gov't... Really?  You ACTUALLY believe that our government defines and sets what is normal thinking for us? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? ?? |
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Post by kman on Aug 31, 2011 13:04:36 GMT -5
Draft??? It's a little slicker to have em volunteer.  |
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Post by maui1 on Aug 31, 2011 14:28:28 GMT -5
You ACTUALLY believe that our government defines and sets what is normal thinking for us?YES........for the vast majority......it does. gee........it even determines our values and our decisions on what is right and what is wrong. our gov't does almost everything for us today.........although, nothing well! hell...........where have you been these last 40 years?
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Post by smackdown on Aug 31, 2011 15:24:25 GMT -5
I think... if you surprise opened the door to the main national think tank today... it would smell like Dick Cheney's underwear, with Chinese take-out cartons littered everywhere that Fuze water bottles weren't. The shredder bins would be full and there would be piles of scribbled-on paper stacked everywhere. The walls would have cock-eyed strategies written by college-programmed morons who thought they were so smart that they could free pass it on experience and go right to the head of the command module because they were really GREAT at RPG games on their i-phones. Anyone who thinks the government is anything more than a bunch of A-Type Idiots trying to outdo each other on salaries we provide-- is crazy.
We can solve the credit crisis in a minute: Fixed Rate, Fixed Term, Fully-Documented with Human Quality Assurance completed with a signature and date. It solves both the job and inflation crisis instantly because-- no one would qualify for credit without job stability and family-sustaining wages. A flat tax on every purchase and every purchase matched to the dollar that bought it- ends dark pools, drug money and under-the-table wages, so we wouldn't need the IRS. Bar anyone who took one Law Class at the college level from running for, getting elected or donating to the campaign for any elected Office and we begin a government that starts with Common Sense. Make every "law-maker" start their term by reciting all the laws. Use the 70% passing grade as a benchmark. Mandate a "none-of-the-above" option on every ballot, give every voter three lifetime uses of it. That said, don't vote three times after you are of age-- leave America. Make Vote Day occur for a week and make it a national holiday. Abandon every foreign war by giving our troops 72 hours to bug-out and the governments of those lands 24 more hours to get their shit together or welcome one or more nukes... and we start living again without shelling out $2 billion every week to fight somebody else's problem.
Install a switch for the Internet. Let anyone doing anything on the Internet that annoys a majority know-- the flicked switch translates to "lights out" and it happens.
The government is useless. FEAR causes weak-minded people to walk a narrower path and not get distracted. It's not New World Order, its natural selection. We work hard naturally because we don't want to fail. Somehow... everyone elected to Washington right now fails to grasp this. We need an infusion of "education and enlightenment" NOW.
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Aug 31, 2011 15:35:49 GMT -5
You ACTUALLY believe that our government defines and sets what is normal thinking for us?YES........for the vast majority......it does. gee........it even determines our values and our decisions on what is right and what is wrong. our gov't does almost everything for us today.........although, nothing well! You are confused, maui1. The government may have enacted laws. It may even rule on those laws occasionally ... judicially speaking. But NO WAY does it think FOR me or tell me HOW or WHAT to THINK! For the past 40 years I've been THINKING for myself? Have you NOT been thinking for yourself these same 40 years? Are you saying that you have been brain washed by our government for these past 40 years? Or were you somehow spared and not included in that "vast majority" (as you say) affected by this government controlled thinking? Who are the ones affected and not affected? Please tell us who you have placed in "vast majority" term you use. |
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Post by maui1 on Aug 31, 2011 15:36:44 GMT -5
ya.....vl...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Aug 31, 2011 16:34:09 GMT -5
Agree, wxyz!!!
At least now I see where some of the paranoia comes from.
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Post by kman on Aug 31, 2011 17:07:08 GMT -5
Hollywood...and Rock music...I would say has far more influence. You kids with your long hair..er..short hair..er tattoos all over...and we wonder why Jerry Springer became wealthy  |
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Post by frankq on Aug 31, 2011 18:14:53 GMT -5
"so they......pay nothing on savings, forcing everyone to buy stock to get any return on their savings, but all the while, the gov't knows that they will slowly bleed all the wealth from the stock market over periods of time, thus making each american, even more dependent on the gov't for everyday life in america. "
So, if the gov wants Americans to be barefoot, broke, and totally dependant on said gov, how do you propose funding the care and feeding of 360 million people? And for what purpose? Why would the government take on that kind of maintenence? Without the blond hair and big hooters, it's just not worth it.
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Post by frankq on Aug 31, 2011 18:21:54 GMT -5
"but being prepared should not be viewed as a weakness......it is a strength....at least our forefathers thought so"
Being prepared is definitely a strength. When you blend it with paranoia it is a weakness. Our forefathers thought a lot of things, some good, some not so good. They crafted the Declaration which states that "All Men are Created Equal", but how many of our forefathers had slaves? Hmmmmmmmmmm..................
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Post by usaone on Aug 31, 2011 20:09:43 GMT -5
Apparently the government has succeeded in brainwashing VL to think that they have the rest of us brainwashed.  |
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Post by frankq on Aug 31, 2011 20:42:21 GMT -5
"Apparently the government has succeeded in brainwashing VL"
That's the government for you as far as not setting the bar very high eh?
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Post by smackdown on Sept 1, 2011 6:19:30 GMT -5
"so they......pay nothing on savings, forcing everyone to buy stock to get any return on their savings, but all the while, the gov't knows that they will slowly bleed all the wealth from the stock market over periods of time, thus making each American, even more dependent on the gov't for everyday life in America. "
The 'government' doesn't manage savings accounts, but BANKS do. That would be the same BANKs that got $700 BILLION in bail-out money and used it to fund the collapse of the American Economy. If we want to recover and create jobs, we don't look to the government, we get rid of human resource personnel blocking the doorway and incarcerate the hired-in executives ordering them to do so.
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Post by maui1 on Sept 1, 2011 7:37:20 GMT -5
So, if the gov wants Americans to be barefoot, broke, and totally dependant on said gov, how do you propose funding the care and feeding of 360 million people?
ANSWER= more bleeding of the stock market and debt......which reinforces dependency
again, where have you all been these last 40 years?
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Post by maui1 on Sept 1, 2011 7:41:08 GMT -5
The 'government' doesn't manage savings accounts, but BANKS do.
does anyone other than the poster really believe that the gov't does not control saving accounts in america?
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Post by maui1 on Sept 1, 2011 7:46:58 GMT -5
Being prepared is definitely a strength. When you blend it with paranoia it is a weakness
paranoia........in your opinion.
how may things have been done by our gov't, that were just unbelievable that they could do what they did, and after overcoming our gov'ts attempts to hide their actions, we find that they did do, what we could not envision them doing.........ie........gun runner!
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Post by verrip1 on Sept 1, 2011 10:13:32 GMT -5
The 'government' doesn't manage savings accounts, but BANKS do.does anyone other than the poster really believe that the gov't does not control saving accounts in america? Certainly. Looks like you think that conspiracy wackiness is catching. Nothing more foolishly smug than a fringer believing that everybody else is following their lead. Wotta larf. |
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Post by maui1 on Sept 1, 2011 10:28:44 GMT -5
you guys need to review some of the gov't records that are now being publicly disclosed. they will turn on your mind's light to what our gov't does and what it is capable of doing.
does anyone of you really think that our gov't today, does anything that would jeopardize itself and or its future growth?
does anyone think the debt cap talks were real or just a show to make the public believe they (politicians) are interested in what is best for the country, and not what is best for themselves?
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Post by maui1 on Sept 1, 2011 11:45:33 GMT -5
You just have to live your life and do the best you can in spite of them and all the idiocy
i really don't understand this.
all of you trade on what the gov't does or doesn't do. read your posts.......bernanke, qe, gov't regs........all of it determines your investment lives.
today was a good example of the gov't dictating and the market reacting. i know you (xyz-) invest for the long term, but today's market is not conducive to this type of long term strategy.
the market used to be a long term indicator, but today, it looks and reacts within minutes, some times violently.
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