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Post by verrip1 on Jul 30, 2011 16:36:18 GMT -5
I have no reason to believe that my opinion would vary by locale.
Whether any individual considers the word equivalent to traitor doesn't mean a thing to me. Maybe some were raised in environments where such a thing was taught, but not me.
Socialist is a real word with a real, relatively inflexible meaning, and a term taught in every class on government and economic structures.
It doesn't scare me, nor does it compel me to anger, fraternity or compassion.
[moving on to the other thread]
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 30, 2011 17:43:06 GMT -5
I have no reason to believe that my opinion would vary by locale. Whether any individual considers the word equivalent to traitor doesn't mean a thing to me. Maybe some were raised in environments where such a thing was taught, but not me. yeah. well, i was. and i think my friend who uses it that way was too. perhaps it is a "personal problem". that is why i posted about it.
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Post by robbase on Jul 30, 2011 18:29:34 GMT -5
wow I actually agree with djlungrot, the world may be coming to an end I guess a lot of you have forgotten WCP's mantra "of anyone with a "regular" job & that doesn't have their own business / multiple income streams is a sucker" ?? (maybe that is not his exact mantra, but it is close)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 30, 2011 18:47:37 GMT -5
wow I actually agree with djlungrot, the world may be coming to an end I guess a lot of you have forgotten WCP's mantra "of anyone with a "regular" job & that doesn't have their own business / multiple income streams is a sucker" ?? (maybe that is not his exact mantra, but it is close) don't worry. Jesus loves you.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jul 30, 2011 19:49:03 GMT -5
all i have to say is "what a braggart".
try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back, paul.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 30, 2011 20:06:30 GMT -5
I, for one, enjoy Paul's posts. I also do similiar real estate deals, although fewer in number. So, I know these kinds of deals are real, he's not blowing smoke. So, knowing the business, Paul gets credibility with me. He's out there hustling, making something happen positive in his life, even in this terrible economy. (I have to say, I have done well in my own personal real estate in this down market, too.) So, all those who whine and moan about how bad it is, need to pay attention. There ARE opportunities out there. But you will not find them by moaning and groaning. You may not like Paul's policital persuasion. You may not like his personality. But if more people went about their day with his ATTITUDE, there would be fewer people on the public dole. Hey, I agree with you! Negativity can be a bitch for sure. and a k to you
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 30, 2011 20:13:51 GMT -5
I, for one, enjoy Paul's posts. I also do similiar real estate deals, although fewer in number. So, I know these kinds of deals are real, he's not blowing smoke. So, knowing the business, Paul gets credibility with me. He's out there hustling, making something happen positive in his life, even in this terrible economy. (I have to say, I have done well in my own personal real estate in this down market, too.) So, all those who whine and moan about how bad it is, need to pay attention. There ARE opportunities out there. But you will not find them by moaning and groaning. You may not like Paul's policital persuasion. You may not like his personality. But if more people went about their day with his ATTITUDE, there would be fewer people on the public dole. Well, it might surprise people to learn that I agree with the intent of the welfare system-- meaning, the ideas behind it- that nobody should be destitute, indigent, or have their life permanently disrupted by an economic hardship they cannot control-- like a depression. It's the same case that can be made for charity- which is why I support charitable giving. Where the idea is lost on me is in the welfare mentality- the entitlement mentality-- and this "wealth redistribution", class warfare nonsense. Anyway, I said all that to say this- one of the driving forces in my life at this point is making more to give more. Yes, I want more goodies and material things. There's no end to the desire for 'stuff'. But I also like the satisfaction of knowing that I can also put a roof over the heads of some truly desperately poor people, too. The problem with liberalism isn't the good intentions- it's the failure in the results column, and worse- the failure to acknowledge and correct the failures.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 30, 2011 20:17:05 GMT -5
This reminded me of a quote~ "Making money is art, and working is art, and good business is the best art". ~ Andy Warhol. I really don't think he was bragging, just on an adrenaline high and wanted to share it. Good for him!! *edited for spelling...
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Post by diamonds on Jul 30, 2011 20:22:50 GMT -5
The problem with liberalism isn't the good intentions- it's the failure in the results column, and worse- the failure to acknowledge and correct the failures. {quote} Well said, and all the best Paul I have learned "giving back" is the best gift, not just for them, but you! Triple
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 30, 2011 22:27:55 GMT -5
The problem with liberalism isn't the good intentions- it's the failure in the results column, and worse- the failure to acknowledge and correct the failures. {quote} that's true. slavery went on far too long in this country.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 30, 2011 23:20:17 GMT -5
all i have to say is "what a braggart". try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back, paul. I only brag to drive certain people nuts. It's not in my nature otherwise. I also "brag" - or, more accurately, share stories of my successes (and failures- like running three businesses straight into the ground-- including the oft discussed "mulch" business) as a means of inspiring others. It's not that I think people with "normal" jobs are "suckers"- they just have fewer options, and most- I realize not all, but most- enjoy life a helluva lot less-- and they let everyone around them know it. All I've ever tried to communicate is that it's a CHOICE. You don't "have to" do anything. It's a free country, and if you hate your job/life that much, then DO something about it. I'm not saying do what I do-- but it IS an option, if a person were to choose it. Considering I just made the median wage in 39 states in one deal (where I also get to keep the house- let's not forget that); and about one and a half times the median wage nation-wide in another deal (where I also get to keep the property) and the income from both properties on-going is half the median wage...it's not a bad choice at all. But you don't get to watch three hours of TV a night, sleep in on weekends-- in fact, you don't really have weekends for a long time-- and vacation every year starting out. You have to devote yourself to learning the business. Starting out, I didn't know what I wanted. I had a damn good idea what I didn't want. Real estate for me started out like an arranged marriage. I knew I needed to get hitched to something before I died. I didn't know real estate- we'd never met. But over the years, I've grown quite passionate about it. Unlike most (careers, and marriages) rather than starting out all exciting and flaming out and becoming boring later-- it started out kinda boring and tedious and has gotten more exciting every year. Since I got my start as an investor rather than sales, and more precisely- since I got my start in distressed property, I've actually trained for this very market. The crash could not have worked out better for us. The worse it gets, the better it gets for us. So, you gotta ask yourself- why would a selfish Republican hope that it ends so it can get better for everyone even if it gets slightly worse for us?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 30, 2011 23:23:09 GMT -5
The problem with liberalism isn't the good intentions- it's the failure in the results column, and worse- the failure to acknowledge and correct the failures. {quote} that's true. slavery went on far too long in this country. It's still happening- and liberals are leading the charge to revive it, and keep it alive. They think they've got a "morally acceptable" target for slavery. Conservatives know it's always wrong. It's interesting- the libs make the same case the southerners did: look how well the slaves are living.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jul 31, 2011 9:21:34 GMT -5
all i have to say is "what a braggart". try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back, paul. I only brag to drive certain people nuts. It's not in my nature otherwise. I also "brag" - or, more accurately, share stories of my successes (and failures- like running three businesses straight into the ground-- including the oft discussed "mulch" business) as a means of inspiring others. fine.. i just think that you can accomplish that without sharing dollar amounts, that's all.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 31, 2011 9:37:19 GMT -5
I've never understood how one person doing well can detract from another person's reality or well being. Isn't it always good that someone does well? Does that make somebody else less?
Congratulations, Paul. What a hoot! Must feel phenomenal. I hope you'll find more of these treasures. Hope it rents well if that's what you'll do.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jul 31, 2011 9:46:06 GMT -5
that's not what i said marsha. i am happy for him that he's doing well. i just don't think it's necessary to add a dollar figure to it. it's shallow and low class.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 31, 2011 9:52:54 GMT -5
Paul is one of few posters providing solid business and investment advise. The majority of the posters here, I just run right by their posts. They have nothing educational to offer. I wont name names. [phew ] lucked out again.. ;D
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Post by marshabar1 on Jul 31, 2011 14:22:43 GMT -5
that's not what i said marsha. i am happy for him that he's doing well. i just don't think it's necessary to add a dollar figure to it. it's shallow and low class. I suppose. My folks taught me to not discuss money. But honestly, I found the $38K inspirational. Having sold real estate and invested a little myself I've got to say that is a totally fun story as far as I'm concerned. Score!! I love that kind of out of the blue stuff, like getting bumped to business class on a transAtlantic flight because they ran out of seats or having to drive a Hummer instead of a Corolla cuz they ran out of budget cars. Score!! ;D I love unforeseen good luck stories and personal experiences. It's a giddy thing.
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Post by steff on Jul 31, 2011 15:09:54 GMT -5
I found it funny to hear paul go on and on about how the world as we know it is ending because of "liberals" while giggling about how much money he's making off the end of the world as we know it.
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Post by 2kids10horses on Jul 31, 2011 15:44:13 GMT -5
Actually, moon, Paul giving the amounts he's making on this example, makes it "real".
If he were to say, "you can make a living" in residential real estate, or something like that, your idea of a "living" might be different than mine.
But, if he says he make $38K doing a particular deal, and shows how it's done, well, that's information that might inspire someone to go out and see if they can duplicate it.
When I was first starting in real estate, I would pay money to attend seminars given by my local Real Estate Investor's Association. These seminars were led by experienced investors, and they would often give "real life" examples showing what they paid, what they did to fix the property up, how much that cost, how much they rented it out for or how much they sold it for, and how much did they profit.
That's what Paul is doing here. For free.
The things he said about having to give up weekends, evenings, etc. are absolutely spot on. I, too, used to earn a salary. A wage. But, I began investing in real estate in my personal hours. Rather than watch "Wheel of Fortune", I scoured the classified section looking for real estate for sale, or drove neighborhoods, or worked on a fixer upper, or met with prospective tenants, or applied for mortgages, or something. Over time, I was able to create "multiple streams of income" (rents) so that now, I have replaced my "job" with income from real estate.
And goodness knows, if I can do it, anyone can. Yes, it was hard work, and I gave up a lot of personal time, but the reward is now, I have tons of free time, and I don't worry about getting laid off.
I see Paul's post as a "If you teach a man to fish..." well, you know the rest.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2011 10:14:22 GMT -5
that's true. slavery went on far too long in this country. It's still happening- and liberals are leading the charge to revive it, and keep it alive. They think they've got a "morally acceptable" target for slavery. Conservatives know it's always wrong. It's interesting- the libs make the same case the southerners did: look how well the slaves are living. you probably only say bullshit like this to irritate people, as well, right? liberals are not for enslaving anyone. the root of liberal is liber.
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 1, 2011 12:03:30 GMT -5
Hmmm. Makes one wonder about who are and who are not liberals.
It would be interesting to hear from both Paul and dj approximately what fraction of members of the Democratic Party each of them considers 'liberal'.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2011 12:18:26 GMT -5
Hmmm. Makes one wonder about who are and who are not liberals. It would be interesting to hear from both Paul and dj approximately what fraction of members of the Democratic Party each of them considers 'liberal'. compared to paul, 100% of them are liberal. just like, to me, 100% of the GOP is conservative. the problem is one of perspective.
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 1, 2011 12:56:51 GMT -5
I presupposed a guess at how Paul might answer, which may or may not be true. With you, I am not presupposing much of anything about how you might view Democrats as liberals. I'm just hoping for a response.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 1, 2011 13:08:01 GMT -5
I presupposed a guess at how Paul might answer, which may or may not be true. With you, I am not presupposing much of anything about how you might view Democrats as liberals. I'm just hoping for a response. first of all, let's define the term. do you think that liberal and leftist are synonyms?
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Post by maui1 on Aug 1, 2011 15:00:36 GMT -5
that's not what i said marsha. i am happy for him that he's doing well. i just don't think it's necessary to add a dollar figure to it. it's shallow and low class.
if i said this about someone posting on a site........i would be suspended.
moon- you calling paul- shallow and low class, is your opinion of him and not his ideas, and something that should be kept to yourself.
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Post by verrip1 on Aug 1, 2011 20:29:35 GMT -5
I presupposed a guess at how Paul might answer, which may or may not be true. With you, I am not presupposing much of anything about how you might view Democrats as liberals. I'm just hoping for a response. first of all, let's define the term. do you think that liberal and leftist are synonyms? The issue has to do with your and Paul's definitions of liberal. In fact those definitions are at the heart of the matter: what each of you think of when you think of liberals. I was interested in finding what level of juxtaposition (that word again) there was between the two of you. [Now, my answer to your question is that there is a common parlance today which would give a significant overlap to those terms, and I see no reason to go against that way of expressing one's self.]
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Post by robbase on Aug 1, 2011 21:05:41 GMT -5
it is interesting to see WCP back pedal....... first we were all doomed on 180 days or whatever & than I called him on it by tracking it (it's easy to predict soemthing 6 months out and then the thread is forgotten and no one remembers), as the deadline approached and passed he mysteriously softened his approach (and to his credit he EVENTUALLY admintted he was wrong)
now he seems to be back pedaling from his oppinion on those of us without our own business / multiple streams of incomes....I remember him using some borderline derogatory word for those of us with "jobs" (apparently a bad 4 letter to WCP)...it is unfortunate I did not track that thread as well...if he is for real on back pedaling off this POV than maybe he has come around, but somehow I doubt it
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 2, 2011 9:13:54 GMT -5
first of all, let's define the term. do you think that liberal and leftist are synonyms? The issue has to do with your and Paul's definitions of liberal. In fact those definitions are at the heart of the matter: what each of you think of when you think of liberals. I was interested in finding what level of juxtaposition (that word again) there was between the two of you. [Now, my answer to your question is that there is a common parlance today which would give a significant overlap to those terms, and I see no reason to go against that way of expressing one's self.] just because a significant people use a term wrongly doesn't make them right. the liberal movement has it's roots in the enlightenment. leftism is a movement that started over 200 years later. if "the left" adopted some aspects of liberalism, it was only to attract adherents. however, leftists also adopted aspects of socialism, which came about at the same time, and is not at all part of the liberal canon. a person can be a "left liberal", a "right liberal" or a "classical liberal". i rarely even bother to debate this any more because people understand the history of the movement so poorly. i would describe the Democrats as "left of the Republicans" on most, if not all, issues. i would describe about 20% of them as left of the centrist or classical liberal position. this is the 20% that drive the WCPS's crazy. it is the 20% that causes righties to dismiss the opinions of the other 80% who are reliably voting moderate to right on a number of issues. silly, but there you have it.
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Post by ed1066 on Aug 2, 2011 9:31:03 GMT -5
that's not what i said marsha. i am happy for him that he's doing well. i just don't think it's necessary to add a dollar figure to it. it's shallow and low class. if i said this about someone posting on a site........i would be suspended Yes you would, because you're not part of the special club here...
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 2, 2011 9:38:25 GMT -5
that's not what i said marsha. i am happy for him that he's doing well. i just don't think it's necessary to add a dollar figure to it. it's shallow and low class. if i said this about someone posting on a site........i would be suspended. moon- you calling paul- shallow and low class, is your opinion of him and not his ideas, and something that should be kept to yourself. Moon didn't call paul shallow and low class. She called paul's action shallow and low class. There is a difference.
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