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Post by lakhota on Jul 3, 2011 21:02:30 GMT -5
Looks like Ira Hayes to me.
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deziloooooo
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 3, 2011 21:04:08 GMT -5
me too Ira Hayes.."Mount Suribachi"....I forgot his first name...
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Post by lakhota on Jul 3, 2011 21:07:12 GMT -5
Ira Hamilton Hayes (January 12, 1923 – January 24, 1955) was a Native American of the Pima Indian tribe, and an American Marine who was one of the six men immortalized in the iconic photograph of the flag raising on Iwo Jima during World War II. Hayes was an enrolled member of the Gila River Indian Community in Arizona, and enlisted in the Marine Corps Reserves in 1942. He trained as a Paramarine and saw action in the Pacific Theatre of World War II. On February 19, 1945, Hayes participated in the landing at Iwo Jima and fought in the subsequent battle for the island. On February 23 Hayes, together with fellow Marines Rene Gagnon, Harlon Block, Franklin Sousley, and Mike Strank, and Navy Corpsman John Bradley, raised the American flag over Mount Suribachi, an event photographed by Joe Rosenthal. As a result of Rosenthal's photograph Hayes and the others became national heroes in the United States. He was instrumental in confirming the identity of one of his fellow Marines in the photograph, Harlon Block. Hayes was never comfortable with his new-found fame, however, and after his honorable discharge from the Marine Corps he descended into alcoholism. He died of exposure on January 24, 1955 after a night of drinking, and was buried with full military honors at Arlington National Cemetery. Hayes was often commemorated in art and film, both before and after his death. He is depicted in the Marine Corps War Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery, based on the famous photograph, and he portrayed himself in the 1949 film Sands of Iwo Jima. His tragic story was the subject of the 1961 film The Outsider, and inspired Peter La Farge' song "The Ballad of Ira Hayes". He was also depicted in the 2006 film Flags of Our Fathers. dbpedia.org/page/Ira_Hayes
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 3, 2011 21:27:47 GMT -5
This photo was taken in 1955 at the Iwo Jima Statue... . Ira died a few days later. He was not comfortable at this ceremony as you can tell by the sad expression on his face, and did NOT like being labeled a "Hero"..Ira suffered from survivors guilt after his discharge because in addition to Iwo he was in 3 other battles in the Pacific and lost most of his Marine buddies.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 3, 2011 21:33:55 GMT -5
Some of the indian tribes did act as savages against other tribes and against the white man. Did you know it was indian tribes who actually practiced slavery in the south long before the white man came to America. In one instance it was the cause of a bloody conflict between two tribes that lasted for years. The war was between the Cherokees and the Creek tribe. The creek tribe had many slaves captured from neighboring tribes. many slaves escaped into the swamps of florida and became what is now know as the Seminoles or AKA translated as the runaways. However it is also true that the white man also practiced savagery against indian tribes. The slaughter of unarmed tribes in the west and the removal of the Cherokees to the west. The white man also gave indian captives blankets that were infected with small pox virus causing many deaths. Our past history on both sides was not pretty. Both sides broke faith with each other many times. Hopefully we have learned from our mistakes.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 3, 2011 21:37:39 GMT -5
The French,& Indian Wars were also noted for their brutality on both sides in Canada and the US.
And possibly why the authors of the Declaration of Independence used the term "Merciless Savage Indians" to describe Native Americans who fought in those wars in North America @20 years earlier..
What do you think Lakhota?? Might this be the reason ??
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Post by lakhota on Jul 3, 2011 21:51:15 GMT -5
Slavery and Native Americans in British North America and the United States: 1600 to 1865Most Native American tribal groups practiced some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America; but none exploited slave labor on a large scale. Indian groups frequently enslaved war captives whom they used for small-scale labor and in ritual sacrifice. Most of these so-called Indian slaves tended to live, however, on the fringes of Indian society. Although not much is known about them, there is little evidence that they were considered racially inferior to the Indians who held power over them. Nor did Indians buy and sell captives in the pre-colonial era, although they sometimes exchanged enslaved Indians with other tribes in peace gestures or in exchange for their own members. In fact, the word "slave" may not even accurately apply to these captive people. The situation of enslaved Indians varied among the tribes. In many cases, enslaved captives were adopted into the tribes to replace warriors killed during a raid. Enslaved warriors sometimes endured mutilation or torture that could end in death as part of a grief ritual for relatives slain in battle. Some Indians cut off one foot of their captives to keep them from running away; others allowed enslaved captives to marry the widows of slain husbands. The Creek, for example, treated the children born of slaves and tribal members as full members of the tribe rather than as enslaved offspring. Some tribes held captives as hostages for payment. Other tribes practiced debt slavery or imposed slavery on tribal members who had committed crimes; but this status was only temporary as the enslaved worked off their obligations to the tribal society. Much More: www.slaveryinamerica.org/history/hs_es_indians_slavery.htm
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Post by lakhota on Jul 3, 2011 22:02:30 GMT -5
The French,& Indian Wars were also noted for their brutality on both sides in Canada and the US. And possibly why the authors of the Declaration of Independence used the term "Merciless Savage Indians" to describe Native Americans who fought in those wars in North America @20 years earlier.. What do you think Lakhota?? Might this be the reason ?? I don't know, but I think dezi may have summed it up best: To paraphrase - inflated language to exaggerate a point.
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Post by formerexpat on Jul 3, 2011 22:38:04 GMT -5
When looking back at history, that statement seems accurate. Those Indians were savages and had no regard for the women and children they raped and killed.
That's not to excuse the US for it's atrocities against Native Americans but the Indians could be filthy animals back then...and even some still are today on certain reservations.
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Post by lakhota on Jul 3, 2011 22:53:05 GMT -5
When looking back at history, that statement seems accurate. Those Indians were savages and had no regard for the women and children they raped and killed. That's not to excuse the US for it's atrocities against Native Americans but the Indians could be filthy animals back then...and even some still are today on certain reservations. In May of 1637, several hundred recent Connecticut Valley settlers led by English Captain John Mason, formerly of Boston's Dorchester settlement, surprised and torched a Pequot village while its warriors were absent. The Puritans surrounded the village and shot hundreds of women, old men and children attempting to escape the flames. An eyewitness account of that horror reads "It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the flames, and horrible was the stink and scent thereof; but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the praise thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them." John Mason wrote back to Dorchester that God had "laughed at his enemies and the enemies of his people,...making them as a fiery oven." www.mayflowerfamilies.com/enquirer/king_philip.htmEvery year around Thanksgiving time in churches across America, preachers are heard to say: "The Pilgrims brought God to these shores". Judging by the atrocious behavior of these Pilgrims, I'd have to say that God must have hitched a ride back to England shortly after He arrived here. John Winthrop, the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony said in a sermon preached aboard the Arabella, en route to the New World in 1630: "to do justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with our God" - then God "shall make us a praise and a glory, that men shall say of succeeding plantations: "The Lord make it like that of New England!" Shortly after this moving sermon, the Puritans dealt treacherously with their benefactors, the Native Americans, who welcomed them and helped them to survive their first years here. The Puritans massacred a neighboring town of friendly Pequots in 1637, setting fire to the village and slaughtering the villagers as they tried to escape the flames. Some 900 men, women and children were murdered by the same Puritans who claimed that their settlement was to be "the model of Christian charity". One of the Pilgrim officers of that expedition gave insight into the Pequots they encountered: "The Indians spying of us came running in multitudes along the water side, crying 'What cheer, Englishmen, what cheer, what do you come for?'. They not thinking we intended war went on cheerfully." Historian Francis Jennings wrote of Captain John Mason's attack: "Mason proposed to avoid attacking Pequot warriors, which would have overtaxed his unseasoned, unreliable troops. Battle, as such, was not his purpose. Battle is only one of the ways to destroy an enemy's will to fight. Massacre can accomplish the same end with less risk, and Mason had determined that massacre would be his objective." In Howard Zinns' book, A People's History of the United States, one of the Pilgrims on the expedition is quoted as saying: "The Captain also said, We must Burn Them; and immediately stepping into the wigwam....brought out a Fire Brand, and putting it into the Matts with which they were covered, set the Wigwams on Fire." William Bradford, in his History of the Plymouth Plantation, described the carnage: "Those that scaped the fire were slaine with the sword; some hewed to peeces, others rune throw with their rapiers, so as they were quickly dispatche, and very few escaped. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fyer, and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stincke and sente there of, but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to inclose their enemise in their hands, and gave them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enimie." More: www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/lenape.html
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 3, 2011 22:59:26 GMT -5
My "problem" is that you've created 22 threads within the past six days, making this board a virtual proxy for the Huffington post and alternet. You've aggressively bumped your threads by posting as many as 10 additional articles in each--sans explanation--at sparse intervals. You're oblivious to posters' questions and comments. You've either ignored or trivially dismissed every attempt I've made to debate you. All of this might be bearable if not for the fact that two thirds of your threads don't even bother with commentary. You might as well be an RSS spambot that auto-dumps articles at fixed intervals. I'd hoped to engage you on something. Anything.If you consider rebuttals, criticisms and demands for clarification to be "stalking", I shall ignore your threads and leave you in peace. But be advised that if your rate exceeds 25 threads per week or 125 articles per week, I will have words with the P&M mods. - Virgil ETA: Of the posts you've made in the past 24 hours: - 6,376 words (97% total content) excerpted from other posters or external sites. Many of the excerpts are entire articles, in direct contravention of copyright laws.
- 102 words (1.6% total content) spent arguing with Virgil.
- 93 words (1.4% total content) actually written by you, the full transcript of which is:
Native Americans were at a disadvantage in many ways, including the fact that most Indians didn't understand the concept of individual land "ownership" like their white aggressors.
That in no way negates what I previously stated.
Serious question: Do any non-religious nuts stalk and/or kill abortion providers, or is it strictly religious nuts supposedly doing God's work?
It was in response to a previous post.
Looks like Ira Hayes to me.
I don't know, but I think dezi may have summed it up best: To paraphrase - inflated language to exaggerate a point.
Q.E.D.
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Post by lakhota on Jul 3, 2011 23:14:08 GMT -5
Virgil, let me be clear: I don't like you! I give you one thing - you are articulate - but I don't equate your articulation with IQ or EQ. I'll leave it at that.
Yes, I consider that you harass and stalk certain posters - hell bent on having your way and the last word. As for me and my threads and posts - do whatever you wish - I don't give a shit.
Looks like you've been doing a little research on my posting activity, but I post articles from more than the two sources you mentioned.
What rules have I violated?
If I haven't violated any, how about staying off my ass in the meantime.
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Post by Bluerobin on Jul 4, 2011 5:26:08 GMT -5
Let's see, back then, there was no such thing as being pc. That is a relatively recent ultra liberal concept. At the time, his words would have been mainstream.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 4, 2011 8:09:01 GMT -5
Virgil, let me be clear: I don't like you! I give you one thing - you are articulate - but I don't equate your articulation with IQ or EQ. I'll leave it at that.
Ok C'mon now Lak ..Virgil is OK in my book..His Approval Rating by the Gun Totting, God Fearing, Canadian and US Flag Waving Conservative Males is @ 92%....the last time that I checked it ..It would be higher if Mr Burns was still around but of course he is NOT.
Lakhota if you quit again that is just being silly ..come back and just abide by the rules of the game around here...IMHO Your Best & Only Bud Here,
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 4, 2011 8:21:42 GMT -5
Let's see, back then, there was no such thing as being pc. That is a relatively recent ultra liberal concept. At the time, his words would have been mainstream. I cannot speak to how savage or merciless the Indians were in the French and Indian Wars or the War For Independence but do know a lot of Navajo Indians did some good things in WW2 in the pacific as "Code Talkers".... I can see where Lakhota is coming from but he is biased but that is ok...I would not like to see the phase "Drunken, Rowdy Irishmen" used anywhere..that is not PC anymore..I guess?? P.I. (Boston Irishman's Club)
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