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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 30, 2011 16:08:33 GMT -5
Another giant liberal gaffe, this one from Senator Dick Turbin from Barack Obama's home state of Illinois...
They SAY they love the Constitution, but it's pretty clear to me they're not familiar with the document.
He must also see a constitutional amendment to allow that to happen — but why should Durbin let a little piece of antiquated paper mess up his DREAM?
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII,
Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
**thread title modified for clarity.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 30, 2011 16:10:34 GMT -5
We really need term limits for Senators also!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2011 16:33:45 GMT -5
I saw this one, hoped I was seeing things. Guess it would be racial profiling if we should in the future ask for ID from someone that does not speak English and wants to run for POTUS...  |
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Post by henryclay on Jun 30, 2011 17:34:08 GMT -5
The precedent has been set. It will be impossible to put the tootpaste back in the tube now.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 30, 2011 17:40:27 GMT -5
your thread title is a bit misleading. I was about to come in here and say "yep, you're right, they could be" thinking that it was referring to children born here to illegals.
can you fit something that's a little closer to the truth?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 17:49:38 GMT -5
The precedent has been set. It will be impossible to put the tootpaste back in the tube now. Then I guess we know where democrats are headed Henry we may as well get used to it…. But Durbin forgot to mention they need to pass immigration reform so the Liberals can grant citizenship to all the illegals... (CNSNews.com) – Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) said in a congressional hearing Tuesday that a young person who is an illegal alien in the United States today may someday become president. “When I look around this room, I see America’s future, our doctors, our teachers, our nurses, our engineers, our scientists, our soldiers, our congressmen, our senators, and maybe our president,” Durbin said immediately after having asked all young persons in the room to stand if they were currently undocumented aliens who would be eligible to become citizens if the DREAM Act were passed  |
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Post by Sharon on Jun 30, 2011 18:12:38 GMT -5
I see that Chiver beat me to it, darn traffic on the way home. The title of this thread is mis-leading. There are many people in the United States today whose parents are or were in this country illegally. These children are natural born citizens and may very well one day become President.
If that is truly what Durbin said then yes the man is an idiot.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 18:21:12 GMT -5
Durbin was talking about the "Dream Act" and has said in the past he supports granting citizenship but wants to see the Immigration Reform Bill passed in the near future...but that is off the table for a few months at least..
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Post by Shirina on Jun 30, 2011 18:23:24 GMT -5
We should put all minority kids in concentration camps, too, and deny them the right to vote. You know ... voting ... a Constitutionally protected right.
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Post by Sharon on Jun 30, 2011 18:46:23 GMT -5
My DD graduated from HS this spring. The young man who was chosen to give the speech is in the country illegally. He came as a small child. His parents are now both US citizens. His parents became legal through the last amnesty that was 20 some years ago and then pursued citizenship.
My DD came to know him through her AP classes at high school. He and his parents speak fluent English, they just happen to have brown skin.
This is a complicated issue and an emotional issue, but you also have an entire generation of kids who were basically raised in the United States.
I don't have time to debate this at the moment. We are going to the rodeo this evening. ;D But I do stand by my original statement that the thread title is misleading.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 18:50:15 GMT -5
We had some illegals in the USMC and they told me they joined for two reasons (1) Quick path to citizenship and (2) Chicks dig guys in Marine Dress Blues Or Dress Whites Uniforms....
One of the first casualties in Iraq in 2003 was an illegal Hispanic..
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Post by ugonow on Jun 30, 2011 18:52:04 GMT -5
lol, of course the pay and benefits didn't hurt at all.
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Post by ugonow on Jun 30, 2011 18:59:27 GMT -5
Why would you include that in a post about illegals in the USMC? Are you saing he was "accidently" shot by friendly fire, or are you honoring hispanics for serving and giving their life for our country?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 30, 2011 19:26:10 GMT -5
Why would you include that in a post about illegals in the USMC? Are you saying he was "accidental" shot by friendly fire, or are you honoring Hispanics for serving and giving their life for our country? No not sure how he died but was NOT friendly fire he was granted citizenship posthumously.. I just pointed this out as a matter of interest because quite a few illegals have died in Iraq and Afghanistan and not too many folks here are aware of that factoid.. |
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 1, 2011 9:10:14 GMT -5
your thread title is a bit misleading. I was about to come in here and say "yep, you're right, they could be" thinking that it was referring to children born here to illegals. can you fit something that's a little closer to the truth? But...if they were born in the US to illegal parents, they would already have birthright citizenship and the DREAM Act wouldn't benefit them, would it? |
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 1, 2011 9:13:43 GMT -5
your thread title is a bit misleading. I was about to come in here and say "yep, you're right, they could be" thinking that it was referring to children born here to illegals. can you fit something that's a little closer to the truth? But...if they were born in the US to illegal parents, they would already have birthright citizenship and the DREAM Act wouldn't benefit them, would it? exactly, which is why the thread title is misleading. Paul, I asked yesterday if you could fit something else in the space. I'm asking again as a mod - please change your thread title to something that accurately describes your thread. this one is misleading. thanks, -chiver78/Moderator. |
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Post by floridayankee on Jul 1, 2011 10:38:48 GMT -5
But...if they were born in the US to illegal parents, they would already have birthright citizenship and the DREAM Act wouldn't benefit them, would it? The title is Re: Dick Durbin: Children of Illegals Could be POYour call as mod, but the title is factually correct IMHO. A child of an illegal could be POTUS if that child was born in the US. |
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 1, 2011 11:01:25 GMT -5
y'know what, FY? if I was the only one to make that assumption from the thread title, I'd probably have left it alone. I know that my strong opinions on both illegal immigration and the DREAM Act are such that it's not a stretch to me that it was how I read the title. but, another poster commented in this thread, and I have gotten other opinions as well.
since Paul is posting this morning elsewhere, I know he's online. I asked him yesterday to change the title and it hasn't been done. if he has an issue with my edit, he can PM me.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 11:25:23 GMT -5
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 11:25:59 GMT -5
I didn't see the original thread title, but I did read Durbin's words. Durbin said it plain enough. The DREAM Act would give illegal aliens a road to the presidency.
How?
We have already nullified the Constitutional requirement that the father of a president be an American citizen, and comments on this board make it obvious that, to many, being born in the United States meets the "natural born" requirement. Enmeshed in the saga surrounding Obama is the argument that it doesn't even matter where a person is born or where any allegiances may have been earlier in life, it is the drawing power of the candidate that should determine eligibility.
Would it surprise anyone if we soon see changes ion our school athletic programs/ Why should a student NOT be allowed to participate in a program just because that student is a year or two older than the "rules" permit? Suppose that student in question was held back and had to do over a school year?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 11:28:29 GMT -5
Henry................ Durbin is quoted as saying "Someday An Illegal May Become President of the USA"...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 1, 2011 11:29:10 GMT -5
your thread title is a bit misleading. I was about to come in here and say "yep, you're right, they could be" thinking that it was referring to children born here to illegals. can you fit something that's a little closer to the truth? Sorry, but you're wrong. It is true that children born to illegal immigrants are granted citizenship, but they are NOT "natural born citizens" unless at least one of their parents is a citizen. Can you read up a bit so you don't inadvertently accuse me of things like this? |
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 11:29:49 GMT -5
Dare to DREAM: Dick Durbin Says Maybe Someday an Illegal Alien Will Be Elected President
By Doug Powers • June 29, 2011 10:18 PM
**Written by Doug Powers
When Illinois Senator Dick Durbin looks at a crowd of Tea Partying American citizens, he sees extremists and a bunch of fringe wackos who don’t speak for America. When he looks at a roomful of illegal aliens he sees the future of America, and maybe even the next US president
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 11:34:35 GMT -5
your thread title is a bit misleading. I was about to come in here and say "yep, you're right, they could be" thinking that it was referring to children born here to illegals. can you fit something that's a little closer to the truth? Sorry, but you're wrong. It is true that children born to illegal immigrants are granted citizenship, but they are NOT "natural born citizens" unless at least one of their parents is a citizen. Can you read up a bit so you don't inadvertently accuse me of things like this? PBP " You are NOT allowed to argue with Mods because you Will never win"....Deminmaine .29 June 2011, and I was told that I should know this by now.. |
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Post by henryclay on Jul 1, 2011 11:35:07 GMT -5
Yes, P.I. that is what Durbin said. And no one has challenged his prediction.
Apparently what has been challenged is that someone would have the audacity to put a title on his words that emphasize what he said.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jul 1, 2011 11:36:08 GMT -5
Well, did Dick Durbin say that children of illegals could be POTUS, or not? He did. There's no "argument".
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 11:37:40 GMT -5
Yes, P.I. that is what Durbin said. And no one has challenged his prediction. Apparently what has been challenged is that someone would have the audacity to put a title on his words that emphasize what he said. Don't know what to say PBP ?? You are preaching to the choir but we have some here who will not listen .. I guess |
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 1, 2011 11:39:02 GMT -5
See I told you guys banning Mr Burns was a bad idea where is Virgil when we need him on this issue??? He seems to be more reasonable on these nits
Send Virgil a PM and ask for a second opinion he has always been fair and is not on any power trip here
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Post by chiver78 on Jul 1, 2011 11:43:56 GMT -5
your thread title is a bit misleading. I was about to come in here and say "yep, you're right, they could be" thinking that it was referring to children born here to illegals. can you fit something that's a little closer to the truth? Sorry, but you're wrong. It is true that children born to illegal immigrants are granted citizenship, but they are NOT "natural born citizens" unless at least one of their parents is a citizen. Can you read up a bit so you don't inadvertently accuse me of things like this? I don't intend to let this thread devolve into an argument about the definition of natural born, but a child born on US soil to an illegal immigrant has birthright citizenship - and will, until the passage of HR 140. that child is not naturalized, but is a birthright citizen. naturalized citizens are not eligible for election to Prez/VP. in addition, there is a very distinct difference between a child that was brought here illegally by their parents (who could qualify for the DREAM Act and all its provisions) and a child who obtains birthright citizenship by nature of his being born on US soil. anything else you'd like to discuss today? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2011 11:45:52 GMT -5
Children of illegals can become president ... If they are born here. I believe the dream act is a process if naturalization. So those kids would not be eligible.
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