Left angry at Obama for praising military, nation

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2011 13:11:24 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

yeah, well- Obama has never impressed me as being especially anti-military. in fact, he seems to be as much of an expansionist as the previous two presidents.

You might think differently if you were on active or inactive duty.??

huh? why would i think that? you think he is LESS expansionist than the last two presidents?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2011 14:22:30 GMT -5 reasonfreedom said:

Jun 30, 2011 12:53:36 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

yeah, well- Obama has never impressed me as being especially anti-military. in fact, he seems to be as much of an expansionist as the previous two presidents.

sad.

I agree with this dj and your previous post. He upped the military 30k and is now slowly taking them out over the next year. I really don't take that as a follow through on his promise to withdraw troops, then again he was not lying. He also did get into the Libya, so I would say he is pro-military/war. The facts speak for themselves.

thanks, reason. Democrats have never been especially non-interventionist, though they tend to campaign that way.

then again, so did Bush.

[privateinvestor]

huh? why would i think that? you think he is LESS expansionist than the last two presidents?


Not my point ...the MOH gaffe was not too well received by the military and they are struggling to understand Obama's policies for the Afghanistan draw down...and I need to see his approval rating by the military..because I may be reading too much into Obama and Biden's gaffes lately and the effect they have on the troops...

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2011 19:39:38 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

huh? why would i think that? you think he is LESS expansionist than the last two presidents?


Not my point ...the MOH gaffe was not too well received by the military and they are struggling to understand Obama's policies for the Afghanistan draw down...and I need to see his approval rating by the military..because I may be reading too much into Obama and Biden's gaffes lately and the effect they have on the troops...

i think we are talking about two different things, then.

Obama is not a peacenik, PI. that is my only point. it is one of the reasons i voted for Paul in the primary and third party in the GE.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 30, 2011 19:47:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 30, 2011 19:39:38 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

huh? why would i think that? you think he is LESS expansionist than the last two presidents?


Not my point ...the MOH gaffe was not too well received by the military and they are struggling to understand Obama's policies for the Afghanistan draw down...and I need to see his approval rating by the military..because I may be reading too much into Obama and Biden's gaffes lately and the effect they have on the troops...

i think we are talking about two different things, then.

Obama is not a peacenik, PI. that is my only point. it is one of the reasons i voted for Paul in the primary and third party in the GE.

Obama's Afghan policies are for political gain by him...he could care less about the military...they don't like him and he does like them...IMHO

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2011 20:01:59 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jun 30, 2011 19:47:05 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think we are talking about two different things, then.

Obama is not a peacenik, PI. that is my only point. it is one of the reasons i voted for Paul in the primary and third party in the GE.

Obama's Afghan policies are for political gain by him...he could care less about the military...they don't like him and he does like them...IMHO

and this is different than Bush...........in what way?

i have never understood this partisan divide. Democrats are almost universally panned for being anti-military, and Republicans, no matter how much unwarranted risk they expose the troops to, are given standing O's.

[privateinvestor]

and this is different than Bush...........in what way?


I can't speak to Bush and the military..I am enrolled in a military website and we chat with active, inactive and retired each and every day about everthing from A to Z...but lately we are all hung up on O for Obama..so based on this small opinion sample; there's many of us who are not fans of Obama but some were when he was first elected...I don't know exactly what changed this attitude towards him...absence from Arlington Cemetery on Memorial Day, or infrequent visits to the military hospital or to our Fisher Houses, or a sense he just doesn't care for the military and doesn't have a good working relationship with the Pentagon Joint Chiefs.. His receptions at military bases are all cordial but nothing exceptional from what I can determine....when Reagan visited our military bases he really had the troops loving every minute he was there.. I don't sense this with Obama..

But don't take my word for this and look at other sources .

[txbo]

Jun 30, 2011 12:37:02 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Good. I hope they all get so angry they stay home on election day. But they won't, of course. Anger and protest is what the left does. In the end they will throw their votes to the one that lied to them.

Yep, the worst democrat is superior to the best republican.

[AGB]

and I need to see his approval rating by the military

"Americans who currently serve or previously served in the U.S. military are less likely to approve of the job President Obama is doing than are those who have not served in the military, by about 10 percentage points. This approval gap occurs across age groups."
www.gallup.com/poll/147839/Military-Personnel-Veterans-Give-Obama-Lower-Marks.aspx

I don't think this is based on isolated incidents:

[reasonfreedom]

Jun 30, 2011 21:23:33 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

and this is different than Bush...........in what way?


I can't speak to Bush and the military..I am enrolled in a military website and we chat with active, inactive and retired each and every day about everthing from A to Z...but lately we are all hung up on O for Obama..so based on this small opinion sample; there's many of us who are not fans of Obama but some were when he was first elected...I don't know exactly what changed this attitude towards him...absence from Arlington Cemetery on Memorial Day, or infrequent visits to the military hospital or to our Fisher Houses, or a sense he just doesn't care for the military and doesn't have a good working relationship with the Pentagon Joint Chiefs.. His receptions at military bases are all cordial but nothing exceptional from what I can determine....when Reagan visited our military bases he really had the troops loving every minute he was there.. I don't sense this with Obama..

But don't take my word for this and look at other sources .

Ok, this is just being biased since your so military oriented. The president is a busy man. His job is to see to our security and the balance of the state. He is not there to pay extra special attention to every single one of our troops. He had showed his support for the troops, he is actually showing it now by trying to bring some back to their families. Reagan was an actor, I think he was quite well experienced with entertaining people. You are making our military sound like an attention whore. I would rather have him focus on the economy, maybe the active, inactive and retired should get morale support from the Generals. I can't really expect anything more from a me me me me society though.

[Value Buy]

Dezi, don't you have another thread where you admit Iran is developing nuclear weapon tipped missles for attack purposes?
And here you are saying they have every right for peaceful purposes........
I suppose you see it both ways, and are ok with it.

[privateinvestor]

Ok, this is just being biased since your so military oriented. The president is a busy man. His job is to see to our security and the balance of the state. He is not there to pay extra special attention to every single one of our troops. He had showed his support for the troops, he is actually showing it now by trying to bring some back to their families. Reagan was an actor, I think he was quite well experienced with entertaining people. You are making our military sound like an attention whore. I would rather have him focus on the economy, maybe the active, inactive and retired should get morale support from the Generals. I can't really expect anything more from a me me me me society though.[/quote][/color][/i]


I have said I am biased and NOT on active status...I also tried to answer djlungrot's question he addressed to me with the following caveat "Don't take my word for this but use other sources"...mine is just one man's opinion which I feel very strongly about and harbor an intense dislike for Obama in case you didn't know that .Reforming DADT by Obama is still very unpopular with the USMCret group that I belong to with a few exception among the younger guys..There is also deep concern and questions of his committment to the wounded's care after they come home and suffer from PTSD, or for homeless Veterans to name two of the issues we have been debating on our website..there are others but are too politically incorrect to discuss on this forum but you can use your own imagination. To summarize our Commander in Chief is AWOL too many times thus his low approval rating by the military compared to other CIC's..IMHO

Thirty-seven percent of all active-duty military personnel and veterans surveyed approved of the job Obama is doing during the January 2010 to April 2011 time frame. That compares with 48% of nonveterans interviewed during the same period.

Obama's approval rating varies by age, with younger Americans in general most likely to approve and older Americans least likely. The gap in approval between veterans/active duty military and nonveterans persists across the age spectrum, from 18- to 29-year-olds to those 80 and older.

Differences Across Gender Groups

Veterans and active-duty military, particularly those 40 and older, are predominantly men, and men are less likely to approve of the job Obama is doing than are women. However, the gap in Obama job approval between veterans/active-duty military and nonveterans persists among men in each age group.

Women who are serving or have served in the military are on a relative basis more positive about Obama than is the case for men who are members of the military or veterans. Female veterans or those in the military between the ages of 30 and 49, for example, are actually slightly more likely to approve of Obama than are nonveteran women in this age group.

Active-Duty Military Less Likely to Express an Opinion on Obama

Although active-duty military personnel are less likely to approve of the job Obama is doing than are national adults overall, this group's disapproval is only marginally higher than that of national adults. This is because active-duty military -- particularly those under 40 -- are significantly more likely to say they have no opinion about Obama's job performance than is the case for all adults in the same age group

[privateinvestor]

Thirty-seven percent of all active-duty military personnel and veterans surveyed approved of the job Obama is doing during the January 2010 to April 2011 time frame. That compares with 48% of nonveterans interviewed during the same period.

Ok I knew of this poll but did say before we really need to see his more recent poll numbers to see if the Afghan drawdown has helped or hurt Obama's numbers.. 37% Approval of Obama is much higher than most Veterans groups comprirsed of retired military old timers, including Vietnam, & Desert Storm vets..& many who thought Reagan did some good things and compare him to Obama which is logical but biased, I do admit.. I cannot speak for what WWII or Korean Vets think of Obama but would assume his approval rating is lower than @37%..

And the last time we had this discussion it brought out a lot of anti-military rhetoric so I would hope the Mods here will dampen that if possible especially on the 4th of July Weekend...but we shall see I guess??..If you don't like my opinions fine but at least respect my right to express them here and leave any negativity towards our Armed Forces someplace else. And I will now get off my soapbox and let others give their views on this debate about Obama's low approval by the Armed Forces of the United States of America which has to be a concern for him and his advisors..

[deziloooooo]

Jul 1, 2011 6:55:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dezi, don't you have another thread where you admit Iran is developing nuclear weapon tipped missles for attack purposes?
And here you are saying they have every right for peaceful purposes........
I suppose you see it both ways, and are ok with it.

Nuclear for energy..yes they have that right, I actually think it's in a ruling by the UN or one of the international Nuclear agency guide lines of rights of nations to have the right to develop Nuclear for power , peacefully. I know that hey have a brand new Nuclear power plant, it was supposedly , possible sabotaged by some computer viruses, I believe Israel and the US was accused and did not go on line as it was thought it might be a danger to do so, but i guess it has been vetted and i think it is just going on line now, built by the Russians..it's a done deal..

This is not a country we are at War with, hopefully we never will, last thing we need is another one don't you agree..

[deziloooooo]

Ok, this is just being biased since your so military oriented. The president is a busy man. His job is to see to our security and the balance of the state. He is not there to pay extra special attention to every single one of our troops. He had showed his support for the troops, he is actually showing it now by trying to bring some back to their families. Reagan was an actor, I think he was quite well experienced with entertaining people. You are making our military sound like an attention whore. I would rather have him focus on the economy, maybe the active, inactive and retired should get morale support from the Generals. I can't really expect anything more from a me me me me society though.[/quote]
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For me you said it well..he , by the publicity of, it seems he spends plenty of time with the troops..the Arlington thing was blown out of proportion by some here who lets face it, will look for anything and everything negative to our current POTUS, [ I believe it turned out he was at Arlington on that day too }and the troops with all respect, having been one a long time ago, I doubt they sit around complaining about what the POTUS is doing, not doing, how little and how much they support him..yadda, yadda, ..though when I was in, I will say after some operations, certain thoughts, not flattering by any means , were thrown toward leadership, usually over zealous ambitious Cols and Generals and the sitting POTUS too possible, can't really remember those ones but i am sure a few pithy comments were done, but then we moved on.

Possible if retired , then a lot of time is so spent today, it's been a long, long time in another life for me..glad to no longer be so involved to be honest with you..

[billisonboard]

Jul 1, 2011 6:55:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dezi, don't you have another thread where you admit Iran is developing nuclear weapon tipped missles for attack purposes?
...

Dezi, if you made such an admission how do you know that the missles are for "attack purposes"? How do you know that they are not for defense purposes. Remember, we attacked one of the Axis of Evil which didn't have nuclear weapons, didn't attack another that does, and talk about attacking the third which doesn't (yet?).

[privateinvestor]

Thirty-Seven percent of all active-duty military personnel and veterans surveyed approved of the job Obama is doing so you could also assume that Sixty-Three percent of all active-duty military personnel and veterans surveyed do NOT approve of the job Obama is doing..

So can this so called CiC bring any of us in the 63% Dis-Approval Ranks back to him over the next 1 1/2 years?? Not likely and I would expect to see the 63% become @ 80% in 2012....so he will have to deal with that and may just cost him the election, I hope..

However here is the unknown factor:

particularly those under 40 -- are significantly more likely to say they have no opinion about Obama's job performance than is the case for all adults in the same age group


They not only have no opinion but thousands don't even bother to vote...because they forgot to register or don't get their absentee ballots or just don't care...I hate to admit I was in the latter category and never bothered to vote or got my state ballot a few days late or after the Presidential elections but hopefully this is no longer the norm

[swamp]

::particularly those under 40 -- are significantly more likely to say they have no opinion about Obama's job performance than is the case for all adults in the same age group::

Which holds pretty true for the general population, too.

The old retired generals who spent their day talking politics on a message board don't like Obama. Tell us something new.

[billisonboard]

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[privateinvestor]

Jul 1, 2011 9:08:17 GMT -5 swamp said:

::particularly those under 40 -- are significantly more likely to say they have no opinion about Obama's job performance than is the case for all adults in the same age group::

Which holds pretty true for the general population, too.

The old retired generals who spent their day talking politics on a message board don't like Obama. Tell us something new.

With all due respect to you legal expertise Ma'am the Poll we are discussing is worse than the general public by a factor of 6 pts..And let's hope those under 40 in the general public have an opinion and do indeed vote... the under 40 in the military are being urged to vote or at least have an opinion in their training classes..

[deziloooooo]

Jul 1, 2011 8:53:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 1, 2011 6:55:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dezi, don't you have another thread where you admit Iran is developing nuclear weapon tipped missles for attack purposes?
...

Dezi, if you made such an admission how do you know that the missiles are for "attack purposes"? How do you know that they are not for defense purposes. Remember, we attacked one of the Axis of Evil which didn't have nuclear weapons, didn't attack another that does, and talk about attacking the third which doesn't (yet?).

I think I just posted a thread that says that they have tested the missiles , they worked, Russia found about it and notified USA, Israel..and told the Iranians not to be public about it, to keep the international out cry away from them..then the UK was not happy about that and blew the whiste..missles for defense? They are working on a Nuc war head full time..defensive, possible , as a deterrent, Israel , us for example..though they too would be a cinder if it ever came to that..looks like the Saudi's may be going for them too if Iran gets them and with their $ , if they don't have them yet, they could get them I believe,

The thing is, it seems we are doing all we can , together with others with sanctions, they are hurting them, Iranians, i don't understand the Russians supporting them, they have their own problems with militant extremist Muslims, and with the proliferation of NUC's by such groups , could open them selves up to major personal problems down the road..China too..the more of these countries who have them , the more chance of them falling into hands of those who have no hesitancy to use them, the consequences of such action would not bother them..I would think on this all would be on the same page..very confusing to me actually, reasoning of helping these people acquire them or not supporting the actions to keep them out of their hands.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Not the first time, nor will it be the last. The unpatriotic left has a history of despising the military. From calling Vietnam veterans baby killers and spitting on them on their return home, to Ron Silver (before his 9/11 epiphany, may he rest in peace) who during the Clinton Inaugural was annoyed by the noise until he realized, "those are our planes now"...

[privateinvestor]

Not the first time, nor will it be the last. The unpatriotic left has a history of despising the military

Thanx a lot for ruining my day I may have to go another five miles...but I do sense things are changing and not all on the so called Left despise the military although I am not going to wear my dress uniform in San Francisco, Oakland or Berkeley ever again..

And to those here who do indeed despise the military OK that is your right to do so, and I really don't give a dam anymore but just feel sorry for you because too much hatred can make you an old, bitter and lonely person without any friends or family...Not too much to look forward to in your Golden Years IMHO...

[swamp]

Jul 1, 2011 9:16:31 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jul 1, 2011 9:08:17 GMT -5 swamp said:

::particularly those under 40 -- are significantly more likely to say they have no opinion about Obama's job performance than is the case for all adults in the same age group::

Which holds pretty true for the general population, too.

The old retired generals who spent their day talking politics on a message board don't like Obama. Tell us something new.

With all due respect to you legal expertise Ma'am the Poll we are discussing is worse than the general public by a factor of 6 pts..And let's hope those under 40 in the general public have an opinion and do indeed vote... the under 40 in the military are being urged to vote or at least have an opinion in their training classes..

What if those under 40 are Obama supporters? Do you still want them to voice their opinion and vote?

[djAdvocate]

Jun 30, 2011 21:23:33 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

and this is different than Bush...........in what way?


I can't speak to Bush and the military..I am enrolled in a military website and we chat with active, inactive and retired each and every day about everthing from A to Z...but lately we are all hung up on O for Obama..so based on this small opinion sample; there's many of us who are not fans of Obama but some were when he was first elected...I don't know exactly what changed this attitude towards him...absence from Arlington Cemetery on Memorial Day, or infrequent visits to the military hospital or to our Fisher Houses, or a sense he just doesn't care for the military and doesn't have a good working relationship with the Pentagon Joint Chiefs.. His receptions at military bases are all cordial but nothing exceptional from what I can determine....when Reagan visited our military bases he really had the troops loving every minute he was there.. I don't sense this with Obama..

But don't take my word for this and look at other sources .

i think Bush did a good job of playing up patriotism. and i don't think that Obama gives a crap about it. and for me, anyway, that is not a minus. but i can see how those that care about such things would be annoyed.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 1, 2011 2:52:26 GMT -5 txbo said:

Jun 30, 2011 12:37:02 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Good. I hope they all get so angry they stay home on election day. But they won't, of course. Anger and protest is what the left does. In the end they will throw their votes to the one that lied to them.

Yep, the worst democrat is superior to the best republican.

well, i have to beg to differ, there. there are some really crappy Democrats out there. ;]

[privateinvestor]

Jul 1, 2011 10:59:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 30, 2011 21:23:33 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

and this is different than Bush...........in what way?


I can't speak to Bush and the military..I am enrolled in a military website and we chat with active, inactive and retired each and every day about everthing from A to Z...but lately we are all hung up on O for Obama..so based on this small opinion sample; there's many of us who are not fans of Obama but some were when he was first elected...I don't know exactly what changed this attitude towards him...absence from Arlington Cemetery on Memorial Day, or infrequent visits to the military hospital or to our Fisher Houses, or a sense he just doesn't care for the military and doesn't have a good working relationship with the Pentagon Joint Chiefs.. His receptions at military bases are all cordial but nothing exceptional from what I can determine....when Reagan visited our military bases he really had the troops loving every minute he was there.. I don't sense this with Obama..

But don't take my word for this and look at other sources .

i think Bush did a good job of playing up patriotism. and i don't think that Obama gives a crap about it. and for me, anyway, that is not a minus. but i can see how those that care about such things would be annoyed.

Don't forget there are a few million votes at stake here for the under 40 military ..and if Obama gets only @25% of them that might be an issue for him IMHO

[djAdvocate]

Jul 1, 2011 11:03:49 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jul 1, 2011 10:59:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think Bush did a good job of playing up patriotism. and i don't think that Obama gives a crap about it. and for me, anyway, that is not a minus. but i can see how those that care about such things would be annoyed.

Don't forget there are a few million votes at stake here for the under 40 military ..and if Obama gets only @25% of them that might be an issue for him IMHO

indeed. it is a very large voting block. and one with a very high turnout.

[privateinvestor]

Jul 1, 2011 10:56:16 GMT -5 swamp said:

Jul 1, 2011 9:16:31 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

With all due respect to you legal expertise Ma'am the Poll we are discussing is worse than the general public by a factor of 6 pts..And let's hope those under 40 in the general public have an opinion and do indeed vote... the under 40 in the military are being urged to vote or at least have an opinion in their training classes..

What if those under 40 are Obama supporters? Do you still want them to voice their opinion and vote?

Absolutely but I have kids under 30 and their buds could care less about voting and have no interest in anything to do with politics and I would hazard a guees and say @66 2/2% of the general public under 40 feel the same way because last fall @33% of this age group voted...not sure about the military but they were attempting to get @80% of the under 40 age group to vote but they haven't released the actual numbers from what little I know about this issue.